seanie_boy.
thats class its the old andrex every day my son lol ;D.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 17:22:34    867624

This looks like it's got more to do with Religion than our western Culture

Religion and Culture is not the same thing...

Islam is actually a very peaceful religion... just like Christianity.

Supposedly anyway…

Do away with Religion problem solved…

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/02/2011 17:25:26    867626

Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 14/02/2011 17:27:57    867627

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2546

867627 Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

One of us will have to get treatment. Again I agree with you. ( that is twice on the one day)

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 14/02/2011 17:30:18    867633

plunkett.
i have actually pointed this out on many occasions that politicial correctness is causing division , just to appease other faiths if you read through my posts .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 17:43:14    867654

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2256

867633 PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2546

867627 Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

One of us will have to get treatment. Again I agree with you. ( that is twice on the one day)

Lads, ye're taking this valentine stuff too far.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/02/2011 17:45:08    867659

"1. crosses and cruxifixes been taken down from schools .
2. cribs been taken down from hospitals .
3. proclaiming happy christmass on a official role ( HAPPY HOLIDAYS WOULD BE MORE APPROPIATE FOT THEM SO THAT IT DOES NOT OFFEND.
4. taken the little piggy out of the early learning centre .
5. building huge mosques beside and near the site of the 9/11 atrocities .
6.honour killings that go right under our noses ( but that is accetable because we would violatin the right of the parenst that killed their child because it is their right under sharia law .
7. proclaming in mass demostration that allahs law will be forced on western society , and that the flag of islam will fly on every governmemt western building.
"

1. Where? And assuming this even happened, how do you know it done for the express reason of not offending Muslims? I don't remember hearing about a countrywide government-backed crucifix-removal campaign personally (and I think the papers might have mentioned this)
2. Ditto
3. I assume you're getting at the 'Muslims ban Christmas' angle here? Never happened. Let me save you the hassle: 'Winterval' was a marketing gimmick devised by Birmingham City Council in 1998. It was not a sop to over-sensitive minorities. Next...
4. Was done in reaction to a tiny handful of Jewish complaints.
5. We've been over this a million times. It's not a mosque (never mind a 'huge' one). It's not being built next to the 9/11 site.
6. Erm, honour killings are being treated like any murder, and rightly so.
7. 'Mass demonstrations'? Where? Anjem Choudary and his merry band of half-a-dozen nutters don't constitute a mass demonstration, and (as you've been told a thousand times) they certainly don't represent your average muslim on the street.

If this is the extent of the Muslim 'threat', then I won't lose too much sleep.

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 14/02/2011 17:45:10    867660

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 7770

867626 This looks like it's got more to do with Religion than our western Culture

Religion and Culture is not the same thing...

Islam is actually a very peaceful religion... just like Christianity.

Supposedly anyway…

Do away with Religion problem solved…


http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pope-to-be-told-church-here-on-edge-of-collapse-2538910.html

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/02/2011 17:48:55    867662

wereangelsplay.
thats is keep to the bowing and all the other p.c stuff that is being drummed through oneself . thats it good lad .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 17:49:21    867663

Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

Fair point Pomeroy, but therein lies the problem. Aggressive Muslim organisations and individuals, like the one in Ireland that has threatened Kevin Myers and Ian O'Doherty and publicly praised the hospital in Kerry that took down the statue of Christ, do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. Aggressive secularist like Ivana Bacik do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. The two of them combine very well at times.

You'll hear the liberals talk about how we can't give any one religion priority over another, we have to be tolerant of the other traditions, Ireland is a multi-cultural society, etc, etc. This isn't tolerance, it's anti-Christian bigotry dressed up as tolerance or political correctness, which isn't used much as a term anymore because the ordinary man and woman on the street have nothing but contempt for the thinking behind it.

My solution to this problem is very simple. All Christians, whether they go to church every day, or go every Christmas, have to stand together and affirm the Christian character and culture of this island, and defend it from its attackers, secularist and Islamist. This is something Protestant and Catholic, Orange and Green, can do together. We should try and attract immigrants from Christian countries, as they are much easier to assimilate. People from non-Christian backgrounds should not be excluded, but they should be made to know that the identity of our country is not up for negotiation.

If they come here, they must know that our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but that they also have to accept that the Christian roots of this nation will never be cut away. Not in the name of secularism, and not in the name of Islam.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 14/02/2011 17:50:04    867666

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 7166

867659 derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2256

867633 PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2546

867627 Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

One of us will have to get treatment. Again I agree with you. ( that is twice on the one day)

Lads, ye're taking this valentine stuff too far.

Feck that is what it is. Love is in the air. God I hope i dont jump all the fences.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 14/02/2011 17:55:31    867671

seamus89.
thats is another excellent post , our freedom of religion which has stood for generations in this country should never be undermined or threatened by immigrants coming in and dictating to us how we should as a nation and tradionally a christian country stop doing what we hold as precious values within our society we should be able to stand up and repel these demands , we are a christian country and a proud one , so we should let them know .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 17:59:59    867677

whereangelsplay
County: Cork
Posts: 132

867660 "1. crosses and cruxifixes been taken down from schools .
2. cribs been taken down from hospitals .
3. proclaiming happy christmass on a official role ( HAPPY HOLIDAYS WOULD BE MORE APPROPIATE FOT THEM SO THAT IT DOES NOT OFFEND.
4. taken the little piggy out of the early learning centre .
5. building huge mosques beside and near the site of the 9/11 atrocities .
6.honour killings that go right under our noses ( but that is accetable because we would violatin the right of the parenst that killed their child because it is their right under sharia law .
7. proclaming in mass demostration that allahs law will be forced on western society , and that the flag of islam will fly on every governmemt western building.
"

1. Where? And assuming this even happened, how do you know it done for the express reason of not offending Muslims? I don't remember hearing about a countrywide government-backed crucifix-removal campaign personally (and I think the papers might have mentioned this)
2. Ditto
3. I assume you're getting at the 'Muslims ban Christmas' angle here? Never happened. Let me save you the hassle: 'Winterval' was a marketing gimmick devised by Birmingham City Council in 1998. It was not a sop to over-sensitive minorities. Next...
4. Was done in reaction to a tiny handful of Jewish complaints.
5. We've been over this a million times. It's not a mosque (never mind a 'huge' one). It's not being built next to the 9/11 site.
6. Erm, honour killings are being treated like any murder, and rightly so.
7. 'Mass demonstrations'? Where? Anjem Choudary and his merry band of half-a-dozen nutters don't constitute a mass demonstration, and (as you've been told a thousand times) they certainly don't represent your average muslim on the street.

If this is the extent of the Muslim 'threat', then I won't lose too much sleep.

Was about to pretty much make the same post.

Straw man arguments.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 14/02/2011 18:02:06    867682

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 969

867666 Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

Fair point Pomeroy, but therein lies the problem. Aggressive Muslim organisations and individuals, like the one in Ireland that has threatened Kevin Myers and Ian O'Doherty and publicly praised the hospital in Kerry that took down the statue of Christ, do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. Aggressive secularist like Ivana Bacik do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. The two of them combine very well at times.

You'll hear the liberals talk about how we can't give any one religion priority over another, we have to be tolerant of the other traditions, Ireland is a multi-cultural society, etc, etc. This isn't tolerance, it's anti-Christian bigotry dressed up as tolerance or political correctness, which isn't used much as a term anymore because the ordinary man and woman on the street have nothing but contempt for the thinking behind it.

My solution to this problem is very simple. All Christians, whether they go to church every day, or go every Christmas, have to stand together and affirm the Christian character and culture of this island, and defend it from its attackers, secularist and Islamist. This is something Protestant and Catholic, Orange and Green, can do together. We should try and attract immigrants from Christian countries, as they are much easier to assimilate. People from non-Christian backgrounds should not be excluded, but they should be made to know that the identity of our country is not up for negotiation.

If they come here, they must know that our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but that they also have to accept that the Christian roots of this nation will never be cut away. Not in the name of secularism, and not in the name of Islam.


The longest we, me not included please, can have been christian is 2000 years, ireland has been here several thousand years. are you suggesting we abandon this imported christianity nonsense and go back to our true roots or are you trying to rewrite or obliterate our history

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/02/2011 18:07:07    867688

But I'm sure most Muslims know this and respect what Ireland is all about. Let them come and contribute to the country. By alienating Muslims based on the rantings of a few Fundamentalists will only create more problems. The Minaret controversy in Switzerland has given Fundamentalists legitimacy and increased tension even more, the EDL was formed to oppose the spread of Islam but in reality is a chance for young thugs to beat up Muslims. I don't know what you mean when you talk about Christians standing together or how this would work but I can't see how it would help in any way. To me it would simply create an us and them mentalise and radicalise even more young Muslims

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 14/02/2011 18:13:15    867692

My solution to this problem is very simple. All Christians, whether they go to church every day, or go every Christmas, have to stand together and affirm the Christian character and culture of this island, and defend it from its attackers, secularist and Islamist. This is something Protestant and Catholic, Orange and Green, can do together. We should try and attract immigrants from Christian countries, as they are much easier to assimilate. People from non-Christian backgrounds should not be excluded, but they should be made to know that the identity of our country is not up for negotiation.

If they come here, they must know that our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but that they also have to accept that the Christian roots of this nation will never be cut away. Not in the name of secularism, and not in the name of Islam.
--------------------------------------------------
Again well said Seamus.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/02/2011 18:14:30    867693

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3787

867677 seamus89.
thats is another excellent post , our freedom of religion which has stood for generations in this country should never be undermined or threatened by immigrants coming in and dictating to us how we should as a nation and tradionally a christian country stop doing what we hold as precious values within our society we should be able to stand up and repel these demands , we are a christian country and a proud one , so we should let them know .

wasn't it immigrants that brought your religion in the first place, surely YOU of all people cant deny our sad history of colonisation

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/02/2011 18:31:08    867703

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 969

867666
Ta I doubt the average Muslim would have a problem with cribs in hospitals or crosses in schools. It's political correctness, it's not the fault of Islam

Fair point Pomeroy, but therein lies the problem. Aggressive Muslim organisations and individuals, like the one in Ireland that has threatened Kevin Myers and Ian O'Doherty and publicly praised the hospital in Kerry that took down the statue of Christ, do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. Aggressive secularist like Ivana Bacik do have a problem with Christian symbols in public places. The two of them combine very well at times.

You'll hear the liberals talk about how we can't give any one religion priority over another, we have to be tolerant of the other traditions, Ireland is a multi-cultural society, etc, etc. This isn't tolerance, it's anti-Christian bigotry dressed up as tolerance or political correctness, which isn't used much as a term anymore because the ordinary man and woman on the street have nothing but contempt for the thinking behind it.

My solution to this problem is very simple. All Christians, whether they go to church every day, or go every Christmas, have to stand together and affirm the Christian character and culture of this island, and defend it from its attackers, secularist and Islamist. This is something Protestant and Catholic, Orange and Green, can do together. We should try and attract immigrants from Christian countries, as they are much easier to assimilate. People from non-Christian backgrounds should not be excluded, but they should be made to know that the identity of our country is not up for negotiation.

If they come here, they must know that our Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, but that they also have to accept that the Christian roots of this nation will never be cut away. Not in the name of secularism, and not in the name of Islam.

Here, Here, well said seamus, fantastic response, a champion post!!!

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2011 18:42:17    867715

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
My solution to this problem is very simple. All Christians, whether they go to church every day, or go every Christmas, have to stand together and affirm the Christian character and culture of this island, and defend it from its attackers, secularist and Islamist


I'm a secular Irish Gael, who's more interested in affirming the European/Irish character and Gaelic culture of this island. When all the Christians band together, should I leave? Cos that'd be a hassle, I've got ALL my stuff here.

Where's the Tuatha De Danann when you need them?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 14/02/2011 18:52:16    867727

We should not confuse faith with religion. And we certainly should not confuse religion with national identity. I am proud to be a Catholic(with all its faults) but I was Irish first and that is unchangeable. My religion is mine to do with as I will. No country should be Christian or Muslim or anything else. I dont need Christianity to tell me I am Irish. God help the future of the world if that is what motivates national pride. Anyway I think we could do with a lot less outward show of Christianity in December and a little more Christian Introspection the whole year round.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 14/02/2011 19:00:05    867730