dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 7157



How would you FORCE them? would this Apply to unionists in Northern Ireland also?

I guess you could start by throwing their lunatic extremist preachers in jail. I accept not all of them are dangerous, but the ones who pose the most threat should be kept of the streets. Secondly you could ban nationalist/religious groups like "Islam for UK" which of course has already been done. Essentially, a process of westernization should be placed upon them, where they must accept and understand that part of their religion is not compatible with our laws, our customs and our traditions, and if they dont like it.........one way ticket back to the middle east.

Simple really. At least native people wont be afraid to go into areas in their own nation for fear of being attacked.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2011 14:59:34    867383

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 966

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MesAmis

I'm aware that Christians have occasionally used violence to spread our religion. This is in direct contradiction to what the founder, Jesus Christ, ordered us to do. Muslims have also used violence to spread their religion. This is not in contradiction to their founder, Muhammad, who was a warlord himself.

Occasionally........Hmmmm..........

Anyway this isn't about which sect is better.

People on this thread are willing to tar all with the one brush. World history (as well as Irish history) has taught us that when you do this there is trouble. Simply it makes matters an awful lot worse.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 14/02/2011 15:04:24    867386

sargeant_slash. cavan.
here here proper order . that would be a start .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 15:06:58    867389

Fanatics will never be controlled...

You cant contol nature

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/02/2011 15:16:32    867403

Freedom of speech is so open to being abused, the freedom we afford Islamo-Fascists is being used to destroy the very values of liberty we hold dear.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 14/02/2011 15:22:46    867410

mesamis.
are you not tarring western fears with a brush of facism because they hold fears that maye be genuine ?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 15:26:49    867415

every aspect of freedom of speech is being eroded seargent_slash and our ways of life , religion and the values that have stood by our generations for centuries for years and things that we in our society hold close is being washed and watered down and threatened by to appease islamafacation because they are on a worldwide movement to control western society in which we will have no part in , untill we awaken up and smell the coffee , but the droads of do goooders are doing no favours by pandering to their wishes , in affect these people will make life very hard for there generations .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 15:40:28    867446

Sergeant_Slash
County: Cavan
Posts: 233

What must be done now, is the state must FORCE all immigrants to become national citizens, and make them revere only one flag.
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Thank God we have open-minded and tolerant people like Sergeant Slash, to protect us from intolerant immigrants, intent on brainwashing everyone into their linear way of thinking.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 14/02/2011 15:53:58    867465

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3769

867446 every aspect of freedom of speech is being eroded seargent_slash and our ways of life , religion and the values that have stood by our generations for centuries for years and things that we in our society hold close is being washed and watered down and threatened by to appease islamafacation because they are on a worldwide movement to control western society in which we will have no part in , untill we awaken up and smell the coffee , but the droads of do goooders are doing no favours by pandering to their wishes , in affect these people will make life very hard for there generations .
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Give us the top 5 examples....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/02/2011 15:55:10    867471

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3769

867415
mesamis.
are you not tarring western fears with a brush of facism because they hold fears that maye be genuine ?

No, clearly not. I don't think all Westerners think and act the same but you think that all Muslims think and act the same.

Also I have not once mentioned fascism.

Your fears are genuine but your anger/concern is misplaced.

A distinction must be made between the ordinary peace loving majority of Muslim immigrants and the extremist elements. If we (the West) cannot do this then it will lead to trouble. History shows this as clear as day.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 14/02/2011 15:58:38    867479

1. crosses and cruxifixes been taken down from schools .
2. cribs been taken down from hospitals .
3. proclaiming happy christmass on a official role ( HAPPY HOLIDAYS WOULD BE MORE APPROPIATE FOT THEM SO THAT IT DOES NOT OFFEND.
4. taken the little piggy out of the early learning centre .
5. building huge mosques beside and near the site of the 9/11 atrocities .
6.honour killings that go right under our noses ( but that is accetable because we would violatin the right of the parenst that killed their child because it is their right under sharia law .
7. proclaming in mass demostration that allahs law will be forced on western society , and that the flag of islam will fly on every governmemt western building.


they are many more jimbodub. but feel free to give them more amunation with your support . they will not stop , and bottom line they could not care less about our expression of freedom , because in their eyes we do not matter and do not exist.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 16:06:57    867490

MESAMIS.
yes my concerns are genuine , but as far as being angry i try not and get angry when looking at different angles on subjects , see it clouds the vision and thinking , so then you are looking at it the wrong way , my judgment is based on what is unfolding , nothing to do with anger my friend.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 16:25:51    867527

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3773

867490 1. crosses and cruxifixes been taken down from schools .
2. cribs been taken down from hospitals .
3. proclaiming happy christmass on a official role ( HAPPY HOLIDAYS WOULD BE MORE APPROPIATE FOT THEM SO THAT IT DOES NOT OFFEND.
4. taken the little piggy out of the early learning centre .
5. building huge mosques beside and near the site of the 9/11 atrocities .
6.honour killings that go right under our noses ( but that is accetable because we would violatin the right of the parenst that killed their child because it is their right under sharia law .
7. proclaming in mass demostration that allahs law will be forced on western society , and that the flag of islam will fly on every governmemt western building.


they are many more jimbodub. but feel free to give them more amunation with your support . they will not stop , and bottom line they could not care less about our expression of freedom , because in their eyes we do not matter and do not exist.
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How in the hell are any of those things going to topple our western culture?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/02/2011 16:32:50    867540

In my short lifetime of 50 + years the Irish could not bomb or shoot the British out of Ireland. In that same time the British could not destroy the rebels in Ireland. At the end after all the great speeches of how Sinn fein will be smashed and that Britain would be blown out of Ireland we now sit down to talk about how we might live together in peace. Have we learned nothing? Can we not even deduce fom this most recent conflict that we all are affected by, that the sooner we sit down to talk the better. Because for all the protestations that Governments make that they will not talk to terrorists they always do. Lets talk first about living together and forget about the shooting because we will talk eventually. Why must we believe that we have a monopoly on right.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 14/02/2011 16:37:06    867544

jimbodub.
that is something clearly you think does not need adressing , which clearly answers a lot of what i have been saying , now we go along and say for example sure thats ok take the crib down , let the honour killings continue , so on and so forth , thats how a foothold is gained because people are so laxed and afraid to upset other faiths with their demands , well i am sorry jim this is our society , and if we do not protect what is dear to us then who is .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 16:44:14    867556

derryman.
for godsake they have no intention of talking , have you not listened to their doctrine in the most extreme manner , and how they threaten the next 911 .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 16:49:58    867567

Ta32
You are correct They Plural have no intention of talking

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 14/02/2011 17:02:50    867592

derryman.
excuse me derryman . but your point is please .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 14/02/2011 17:08:55    867603

derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 2255

867544 In my short lifetime of 50 + years the Irish could not bomb or shoot the British out of Ireland. In that same time the British could not destroy the rebels in Ireland. At the end after all the great speeches of how Sinn fein will be smashed and that Britain would be blown out of Ireland we now sit down to talk about how we might live together in peace. Have we learned nothing? Can we not even deduce fom this most recent conflict that we all are affected by, that the sooner we sit down to talk the better. Because for all the protestations that Governments make that they will not talk to terrorists they always do. Lets talk first about living together and forget about the shooting because we will talk eventually. Why must we believe that we have a monopoly on right.

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Great post... Refreshing to say the least.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 14/02/2011 17:10:19    867605

It will soon be at the point whereby the pc police will be arresting people for saying 'god bless you" to somebody who has just sneezed.All the ultra liberals who see this as some kind of positive progressivism have nothing to say about the fact you can hardly wear a crucifix in Saudi Arabia.Ta is right in many regards and there is no point in some of you castigating him for pointing out developments that are talking place within western societies to appease minority religious groups and heathens to the dismay of many people.Happy Holidays is one of the most annoying terms of recent years and really gets my ire up.We will stick with the Andrex Ta and let the rest of the fill their kaks!

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 14/02/2011 17:17:35    867616