This place is starting to look like a recruitment page for the English Defence League - The thinking mans Combat 18

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 13/02/2011 20:31:12    866823

ruanua.
thats just flippin , do not agree with someones point and start screaming racism , you are actually vacuming into combat 18 hands with comments like that , because you feel to see the real concerns on the ground , and dismiss people fears and genuine concerns , instead of listening you cry racism , thats just what the likee of the english defence league wants , because the mainstream parties are not listening to the people , making them even more angry , and then turning to right wing parties like above . its sadly already happening .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 13/02/2011 20:41:12    866838

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 3337

866823 This place is starting to look like a recruitment page for the English Defence League - The thinking mans Combat 18

What would be the Irish equivalent?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 13/02/2011 20:48:17    866848

13/02/2011 20:41:12
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3746

866838 ruanua.
thats just flippin , do not agree with someones point and start screaming racism , you are actually vacuming into combat 18 hands with comments like that , because you feel to see the real concerns on the ground , and dismiss people fears and genuine concerns , instead of listening you cry racism , thats just what the likee of the english defence league wants , because the mainstream parties are not listening to the people , making them even more angry , and then turning to right wing parties like above . its sadly already happening .
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I watched a Newsnight special about the EDL about a fortnight ago and its "leader" was interviewed by Paxman
"We are not racist - we just don't like people who follow Islam"
They don't integrate
Sharia Law etc etc etc

The spin that they use is word for word what has been articulated in this thread so far by those in the "hasn't worked" side of the debate.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 13/02/2011 20:48:45    866851

Anyone watch the Louis Theroux documentary on extreme zionists in the West Bank, quite revealing, not in an Israeli/Palestinian sort of way but in the throngs of American christian fundamentalists who visit Israel every year to bolster the country and 'volunteer' to work in the vineyards and fields as they see it as their Chriatian duty to do so. Quite revealing actually, as its these nut jobs who ensure that whatever US administration is in power at the time, will always keep Israel at the top of the agenda and the US will keep pumping Billions of dollars to support it regardless of whatever abuses they are guilty of.

Maybe you should watch it Ta!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 13/02/2011 20:49:35    866852

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3746

866809 patrique.
by the way were did i mention i had a dislike for poles, protestants , and black people ... i just said i have no time for islam or their extremists .

Would it be fair to say you are intolerent towards them?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 13/02/2011 20:50:32    866853

derryman

Mathematics ,writing and our legal systems.

Mathematics orginated in Greece, about a thousand years before the birth of Muhammed.

In terms of writing, we use the Latin/Roman alphabet. This was derived from one of the ancient Greek alphabets. Again, over a thousand years before the birth of Muhammed.

Our legal system is based on the old English Common Law system, which was introduced by the Normans, and derived from the Germanic Law systems of the dark ages.

So was it the Greeks, the Romans or the Germans that you are claiming were Muslim?

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 13/02/2011 20:56:23    866857

Islam was founded by Muhammed (was going to attach a link with a photo, but decided against it) in the 7th century.

Immediately, the Muslims began attacking non-Muslim countries, to expand their 'civilisation.'

Less than a hundred years later, a Muslim army faced a Christian army in the Battle of Tours, which is located near Poitiers in France. The Christian army was triumphant, and Europe was saved. Sadly, the Christians of North Africa were not so fortunate.

From that point onward, the Muslims directed most of their energy towards attacking Constantinople, believing that after that great city fell, the road to Europe would be clear. It was destroyed in 1453 by the Ottamons, after many failed attempts.

In 1571, the Pope's Holy League, consisting of Spain, Naples, Venice, Genoa and many other kingdoms, sank the Muslim fleet at the Battle of Lepanto, and once again saved Europe from Muslim aggression.

In 1683, the Muslim armies, fresh from their many conquests in the Balkans, launched their second massive attack on Vienna. Once more, the Pope organised a Holy League and the King of Poland rode like King Theoden to rescue his Christian brothers from the violent murderous hordes. Again, the Muslims were routed. That marked the beginning of the end for the dreams of a Muslim Europe. Until now, when immigration is their main weapon.

Their are two points I'd like to make.

Firstly, whether it be the Crusades or the Holy League's, Christians had every right to defend themselves from Muslim aggression. I'm sick of these liberals bringing up the Crusades as something we should be ashamed of. The only thing I regret about them is that King Richard didn't annihilate the Muslim armies and capture Jerusalem.

Secondly, all you liberals should be grateful to the Vatican for defending Europe for so long. Without the various Pope's who were prepared to defend this continent, you'd all be living in Sharia law darkness, with no freedom of religion or right to free speech. Catholicism, and Christianity in general, aint perfect. But if the alternative to it is Islam, then you should thank God you grew up in Christian countries and stop these attacks against the religion that shaped this country and this continent.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 13/02/2011 20:59:27    866861

13/02/2011 20:16:48
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3746


, bin laden and allah



Bin Laden and his mate George, USA, CIA scum the two of them.

George Senior that is, junior is as daft as you.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 13/02/2011 21:00:14    866865

dhorse.
that would be fair to say i would be intolerant to them , when it comes to mass murder sucicide bombers and their doctrine of taking over the west with their vile street demonastrations and vows of killing more innocent people , because we do not believe or bow to sharia law . yes i am intolerant to all of that , and most of all i am intolerant to do _gooders who cannot see the danger we face in society , and i am buying in to people crying racism because they are not making a ounce of sense only screaming foul play . thank god for the states firepower and long may it live , to thwart and supress what is coming our way INA NUTSHELL HORSE.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 13/02/2011 21:00:24    866866

SEAMUS.kilkeeny.
excellent i could have not put that better , i have underestimated yourself , and i do admit they are things of which we disagree , but you totally hit the nail on the head .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 13/02/2011 21:02:49    866871

Seamus89
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 955

The First Crusade did actually capture Jerusalem in 1099 but failed to hold it.

You cite Muslims invading and spreading their faith which is true. Christians did the same thing too you know.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 13/02/2011 21:06:57    866880

seamus
annihilate .. not a bad idea .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 13/02/2011 21:07:18    866881

mesamis.
spreading a faith through teaching is one thing , but to enforce it by flying planes through high rise buildings and sending sucicide bombers in to packed train stations is another .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 13/02/2011 21:10:10    866887

Thanks ta. We can agree to differ about the IRA, but the most important threat, or one of the most important threats to Europe, and by extension, to Ireland, is Islam. As an aside, are you not bothered that SF have a very multiculturalist appraoch. They are very in to their Irish culture, and I give them credit for that, but when it comes to mass immigration I think they're very much on the wrong side. Also, they seem to have this growing hostility to Christianity, which is strange given the deep Christian faith of many Republicans, from Ceannt to South and right on to Sands.

Seamus89 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 3848 - 13/02/2011 21:18:18    866903

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3752

866887 mesamis.
spreading a faith through teaching is one thing , but to enforce it by flying planes through high rise buildings and sending sucicide bombers in to packed train stations is another .

I agree, although Christianity hasn't always spread its faith through teaching either but that's besides the point.

You're tarring all Muslims with the same brush which is very dangerous.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 13/02/2011 21:19:21    866906

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3752

866887 mesamis.
spreading a faith through teaching is one thing , but to enforce it by flying planes through high rise buildings and sending sucicide bombers in to packed train stations is another .

how about burning at the stake?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 13/02/2011 21:19:48    866908

black&white
County: Sligo
Posts: 1160

866857 derryman

Mathematics ,writing and our legal systems.

Mathematics orginated in Greece, about a thousand years before the birth of Muhammed.

In terms of writing, we use the Latin/Roman alphabet. This was derived from one of the ancient Greek alphabets. Again, over a thousand years before the birth of Muhammed.

Our legal system is based on the old English Common Law system, which was introduced by the Normans, and derived from the Germanic Law systems of the dark ages.

So was it the Greeks, the Romans or the Germans that you are claiming were Muslim?

You are obviously better informed than I. However I was trying to say that these things originated in the middle East. I am aware that that Mohammed was born some 500 years after christ but I would contend that the Arab Culture existed long before mohammed as did the Irish Culture long before St Patrick. And according to past readings I do believe that the alphabets as we now use them originated in the Arab Cultures as did The first use of mathematics(Egypt and Persia/Iran). I also believe that the old English common law as you refer to actually found its origins in the middle East . Now you are a learned fellow I know and will quite easily be able to research these claims of mine I can only ask that if you do you will be honest enough to tell me the truth of your research. I know that wikpedia will give some info that seems to give credence to my thoughts on this. If I am wrong so be it I stand corrected.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 13/02/2011 21:29:39    866921

Secondly, all you liberals should be grateful to the Vatican for defending Europe for so long. Without the various Pope's who were prepared to defend this continent, you'd all be living in Sharia law darkness, with no freedom of religion or right to free speech. Catholicism, and Christianity in general, aint perfect. But if the alternative to it is Islam, then you should thank God you grew up in Christian countries and stop these attacks against the religion that shaped this country and this continent.
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I knew you had it in you!!! :)

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 13/02/2011 21:48:26    866950

Hail Derryman!

If the Pope hadn't led the stand against Islam, there would be no Europe, no Ireland and no Celtic. Be proud of who you are, and where you come from. No more apologising for what our ancestors did or didn't do.

Celtic isn't just about the Irish, it's for all Catholics who faced discrimination for what they believed in. Brother Walfred would be proud to see Catholics standing proudly against our enemies.

Hail the Crusaders! Hail the Pope! Hail Celtic!

HorseOutside (UK) - Posts: 398 - 13/02/2011 21:48:47    866953