patrique.
no pat your argument does not add up , why was the invasion of afganistan put forward in the first place

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 19:28:56    870265

seamus.
totally agree with everthing you said posted excellence post well done .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 19:30:30    870267

patrique.
this has nothing whatsoever got to do with money pat , stem the sucicide attacks and islamafacation , then i wish the invasions to cease untill then well?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 19:32:59    870268

mesaimis.
so answer me this when sucicide bombers and the ones that charged 747s throgh high rise buildings did they class all the people of the west the same or did they plan their attacks so that they watched who they killed or murdrered for that matter , they are not being selective would i be right in saying . mass killings is their goal and to flonder christianty in the west . think about it .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 19:35:59    870272

ta32
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870272 mesaimis.
so answer me this when sucicide bombers and the ones that charged 747s throgh high rise buildings did they class all the people of the west the same or did they plan their attacks so that they watched who they killed or murdrered for that matter , they are not being selective would i be right in saying . mass killings is their goal and to flonder christianty in the west . think about it

So you take the inspiration for your opinion on Muslims from Islamic fundamentalists opinions on the West?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 17/02/2011 21:18:25    870364

"We need to open our eyes and be aware of the threat before it is too late. These people are threatening our very way of life".

Isnt that almost exactly what you're getting at TA32?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 21:26:12    870370

mesamis.
no you are still not listening are taking onboard what i am saying , its not based on the inspiration of my opinion on muslims from islamic extremists views and perceptions on the west , it clearly is a lot bigger than that , if it was just based on that then we would not be having the trouble or fears that are taking a hold of society today , my point is based solely on the increasing demand and threat to impose sharia law and their ways on western democracy and society , if disagree then comes the terrorist threat of sucicide attacks and thereore you need the justifacation of armed military response to protect western citiziens against attacks from these zealots , notably thats were the americans come into it to prevent more attacks to the nature of what we have seen up to now , they are billions upon billions spent on defence and security and a lot man power to protect people from these nuts , and i honestly think pull the U.S back then the attacks would increase fourfold , you have to weigh the severity of what is actually defeloping within our society , to completly ignore it is being very naive to say the least mesamis.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 21:32:30    870374

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870374 mesamis.
no you are still not listening are taking onboard what i am saying , its not based on the inspiration of my opinion on muslims from islamic extremists views and perceptions on the west , it clearly is a lot bigger than that , if it was just based on that then we would not be having the trouble or fears that are taking a hold of society today , my point is based solely on the increasing demand and threat to impose sharia law and their ways on western democracy and society , if disagree then comes the terrorist threat of sucicide attacks and thereore you need the justifacation of armed military response to protect western citiziens against attacks from these zealots , notably thats were the americans come into it to prevent more attacks to the nature of what we have seen up to now , they are billions upon billions spent on defence and security and a lot man power to protect people from these nuts , and i honestly think pull the U.S back then the attacks would increase fourfold , you have to weigh the severity of what is actually defeloping within our society , to completly ignore it is being very naive to say the least mesamis.

At no time in this debate have I ignored the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalists. More straw man arguments Ta.

We cannot counter this threat unless we make the distinction that not ALL Muslims are terrorists.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 17/02/2011 21:39:16    870384

TA32 what more do you want done about it...?

There's a war currently being fought.... security agencies around the world are on high alert and spending billions a year to try and stay one step ahead.

And really it's still not working...

What more would you suggest...?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 21:40:03    870385

jimbodub.
listen the threats are they are real , and they will not go away no matter how much you want to brush this under the carpet .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 21:42:08    870390

jimbodub.
you really think that all the money that has been spent , that there has been no attacks been thwarted ,they have been staying one step ahead and that is a huge strain within itself . they have saved thousands of innocent lives it needs to keep working and it is , regardless of what angle you are looking at this from jimbodub , and they need to sustain the pressure thats my suggesting , but they are already doing that thank god.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 21:47:50    870395

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870390 jimbodub.
listen the threats are they are real , and they will not go away no matter how much you want to brush this under the carpet .

Ta32... what are you on about. I'm not brushing anything under the carpet.... I asked you a question?

What more can we do? The West is fighting a war against terrorism... yet it's still not working.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 21:48:50    870399

mesamis.
straw man arguments , i am sorry mesamis but that is feeble .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 21:49:13    870400

jimbodub.
i answered your question .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 17/02/2011 21:55:59    870403

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870400 mesamis.
straw man arguments , i am sorry mesamis but that is feeble .

You accused me of ignoring the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalists when I have not.

Inventing an argument that someone has not put forward to defeat their actual point is a straw man argument.

You have continually done that on this thread.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 17/02/2011 21:56:57    870405

ta32
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870400 mesamis.
straw man arguments , i am sorry mesamis but that is feeble .
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Not really TA32... Your points are weak.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 21:57:26    870406

17/02/2011 19:28:56
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870265
patrique.
no pat your argument does not add up , why was the invasion of afganistan put forward in the first place



The people of Britain ask that everyday as another lost soldier arrives home.

No one knows the answer.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 17/02/2011 21:58:38    870408

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870403 jimbodub.
i answered your question .

No you havent... what more can we do? What would you suggest...? We all know there is a threat.... surely if fighting a war while spending billions on top of that on security isnt working what can we do...? They are still coming back for more....

Perhaps should we try talking to these people?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 17/02/2011 22:01:44    870410

Talking is what got Northern Ireland to where it is today, a relatively peaceful 6 counties.

However can Islamic fundamentalists be talked to? I dont know the answer to that but the impression i get is, No.
Perhaps that is the same impression Unionists/ Loyalists, British thought about talking to the IRA....and look where we are now?

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 18/02/2011 08:33:32    870416

jimbodub/mesamis.
now when you asked me a question about what else we do , i answered that question about the continuation of what is being done at the moment , i broke it down for you in three parts 1. the american and global intelligence agency have thwarted attacks because of the pressure they have sustained 2. they have saved thousands of lives by keeping this sort of pressure up 3. and they need to continue to sustain thoses pressures in order to keep peace and stability in the west but it is getting strained and they are finding it very difficult to keep one step ahead with their response , so your idea is that it is not working so what if they suddenly stop doing what they are doing ,you believe this threat will go away i will say to you and mesamis now it is here toi stay and i will tell you way , they have a politicial ideology based on the poision oof their doctrine you cannot talk to these people , by all means go to the helmandprovince and the tora bora and say hi i am jimbo i am here to talk and help , you would find yourself in the front news of C.N.N. with two extremists standing over you and thats before you get the chop, i said this before to you jimbo youcan be arrogannt because i gave you a detailed response to your question and you still insist on a answer i have already provided no disrespect or not being negative on yourself , but you simply cannot talk to people like this , they do not want to know , see this is a form of nazism which is history repeated itself all over again people in society back then ignored the threat of facism for a long time , by then when things had taken off it was to late millions of people had died and were persacuted , the exact same thing is happening again they are using their doctrine worldwide against the infidels as they would speak jews , christians and they will kill to get what they want and they are using peoplee laws and democracies of the west against us to achieve their goals and they will continue untill they have complete and global islamafacation of the world it is very clear what is happening and people simply cannot see this , i know many can but not enough as for mesamis well i feel you clearly do not listen either you talk about me and straw arguments , but my arguments are based around the hard facts that have been developing on this globe especially for this past ten years , the constant threat of terrorism the attacks on london/newyork/madrid , and countless other foiled attempts at killing masses of people not to mention the fact that christian values are been undermined at the expence of these peoples denmands and i have a right to speak out against this this is my right as a christian in what i see is pure facism pushed against a other race of people who only want peace but will not get it untill this threat is taking under control and the politicial correct brigade are thrown out of office , you have to now failed to grasp the fundamental threat that faces our society .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 18/02/2011 08:50:23    870419