you are the nationality of the palace you were born i.e. the laws you are governed under and to whom you pay your taxes to- in (london)derry is this paid/laws to westminster or to dublin? you will find your answer. Going by people on here you can be watever nationality you chose - can i be jamacian so? ive never set foot in the place but sure that doesnt matter according to you lot- laughable argument this is- if your irish how much tax did you pay to dublin last year? its alot simplier when ya leave the nostalgic bull out of it. Some of the arguments are like those all painted in green on paddys day in new york claiming they are irish - funny if nothing else

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 23/11/2010 17:06:47    821574

hoganstand you banned reallouthfan , but you allow liathroidboy to come on here with these disgusting comments blatant attacks on any decent nationalists and trying to degrade the city , people of derry doire , derry city , not what that man says , act now please because this is on .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/11/2010 17:21:16    821594

I was born in the UK but my passport says my nationality is Irish. It's what's in the blood that counts.

mattybhoy (UK) - Posts: 170 - 23/11/2010 17:21:44    821595

We're both Irish and British Matty, there's no arguing with that

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 23/11/2010 18:05:52    821642

plunkett.
do you hold a irish or british passport , thats a genuine question .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/11/2010 18:16:45    821654

Irish passport Ta

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 23/11/2010 18:23:06    821667

British born

mattybhoy (UK) - Posts: 170 - 23/11/2010 18:35:36    821679

I can not argue that given the current regime I am a british Subject. I have no qualms with that whether I like it or not ( which I dont) I am subject to British laws and the British Crown this situation has been forced upon me and Generations of Derry people before me history accepts this. What i am not however is a citizen of Britain , I could become a British citizen if I wished but I do not wish this I have chosen to be and remain a citizen of Ireland and this is something which is enshrined in the Good Friday or for you Pomeroy Plunket The Belfast agreement. So really we must define citizenship from Subjugation.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/11/2010 18:46:41    821688

pomeroy.
so if you hold a irish passport which means you are a irish citizien , right , so then how can you tell our neighbouring county derry that they are british , some how that just does not come across right , i am not tyring to insult you , i am merely reflecting on a theory how one county in ireland is less irish than the other one . i do not get , i am irish and hold a irish passport , my neighbours in derry is also irish , to say we are different is well .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/11/2010 19:10:26    821711

derryman.
that is a good post , but i would reject the bit about you being a british subject , look you are clued up and i am not going to patronise you , all i am saying is we are all irish thats it really , would you not agree .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/11/2010 19:12:53    821716

Ta32
Unfortunately the lad with the biggest gun can subjugate the weaker opponent. Britain was the Yard bully for many centuries and subjugated a great portion of the worlds population Against the will of the indigenous populations, Irish people among them. It is no shame to be an unwilling subject. It is a shame to be a willing participant in the subjugation of your fellows.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/11/2010 19:25:46    821728

Worth mentioning they also gave us football and rugby. Of course none of the anti - british campaigners on here play either of these, or speak the english language...!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/11/2010 19:28:45    821733

derryman.
willing is right , that is a shame .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 23/11/2010 19:52:08    821760

Worth mentioning they also gave us football and rugby. Of course none of the anti - british campaigners on here play either of these, or speak the english language...!

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They forced Ireland to speak English, and Gaelic football and hurling are better than soccer and rugby

mattybhoy (UK) - Posts: 170 - 23/11/2010 19:59:21    821762

23/11/2010 19:12:53
ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3165

821716
derryman.
that is a good post , but i would reject the bit about you being a british subject , look you are clued up and i am not going to patronise you , all i am saying is we are all irish thats it really , would you not agree .



Absolutely true.

Although my PASSPORT proclaims me to be British.

So this is a simple matter of FACTS.

Born in Angola, you are Angolan. Born in Ireland you are Irish.

However 6 counties of Ireland remain an integral part of the Westminster legislature so you are entitled to a British passport.

Now, what is difficult to understand about that? Or do some of you just like arguing, you know "I know Tyrone wear white but it should really be black"

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 23/11/2010 20:18:25    821772

I think we all just like arguing. At least I do and am honest enough to admit it.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/11/2010 20:28:48    821779

"I know Tyrone wear white but it should really be black"

Actually you are correct. The only reason Tyrone chose White and red was because Derry wore Red and white for there first Ulster championship game in 1904 . They thought that they would be the opposite and chose White and red. They should really have chosen Black and Red but there you go.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/11/2010 20:44:58    821789

There is a random sign on a roundabout in Cavan that says X (large supermarket) sources 85% of its chicken in the UK.
I was surprised at this as I thought that most supermarkets make a point of selling Irish meat.

I was in branch of the same supermarket this evening and lifted up a pack of "Fresh Irish chicken" as it stated on the front label
I looked at the back of the pack in the small print - sourced and packed in craigavon BTxxxx, United Kingdom.

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 23/11/2010 21:35:45    821842

Omar
Craigavon is in Ireland. That part of Ireland is unfortunately part of the UK. What do you not understand.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/11/2010 21:42:48    821845

23/11/2010 21:42:48
derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1733

821845 Omar
Craigavon is in Ireland. That part of Ireland is unfortunately part of the UK. What do you not understand.

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The purpose of the post is to show how either argument can be used to suit an agenda - but it seems people will take offence regardless

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 23/11/2010 21:46:38    821849