I would find it difficult to take historical or political commentary as being of value if that commentator was not aware that Derry is not a part of Britain. So for my part i find it amusing that some person of such educational ( whom by the way is studying for a degree) prowess would seek to lecture me (who by the way can on occasion struggle to find a degree on a roofing square).

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/11/2010 19:28:52    821053

hurlinspuds
County: Cork
Posts: 559

820504 The GAA is for the most part a nationalist/republican organisation, alot of the HS users would be rightly proud to consider themselves as such. While there are indeed many great things about Britain, to come on here and start this thread was just an attempt to start another pointless thread of argument and counter argument. To call Derry part of Britain during the debate which ensued simply stirs emotions and tries to rise people, it is in fact wrong both politically and historically to call An Doire part of Britain. As I said, there are many ways to incite hatred. The people who criticise military activity can be as guilty of this as those who advocate it.

Someone else pointed out their contribution to literature, language, music and film. Greater than any other nation bar perhaps the US in terms of contemporary music.


I disagree to call Derry part of Britain only goes to show that you are uneducated and speaking out of your Ass

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/11/2010 19:32:41    821061

Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 752

820909 If I compliment every post that is on a similar side of the argument - Does that mean I win the debate ?
22/11/2010 17:28:13
Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 752

820922 22/11/2010 17:16:43
Omar.d
County: Cavan
Posts: 749

820909 If I compliment every post that is on a similar side of the argument - Does that mean I win the debate ?
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Good post Omar and pay no heed to posters on here with their own agenda


Is there something we are not aware of Omar

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/11/2010 19:36:51    821065

paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 3192

[b]1. British lending that caused the Celtic Tiger. This makes them great how exactly?
2. The way their not obsessed with Ireland unlike how it is here in Ireland about Britain. Right enough, that's why they have squatted in it for 100's of years
3. They brought civilization to the world. Yes, normally by force of arms against unarmed natives
4. The English language. To the detriment of quite a view native tongues
5. Multiculturalism. Yes, Brixton, Oldham and Bradford along with their special powers act ae beacons of multiculturalism
6. Their Aid packages to underdeveloped regions (i.e Northern Ireland and soon to be Republic of Ireland) Really only giving back what they stole from ost of them
7. Brilliant comedy (Only fools and horses, Faulty towers etc) Granted
8. Jobs. Quite a hig unemployment rate I believe
9. Fantastic selection of Ales. Come on, their beer is pish
10. They dont hold grudges (Considering the craic the IRA was at)[/b] Yes, they appear to hold the French and Germans in high regard.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/11/2010 19:42:45    821068

22/11/2010 19:36:51
derryman
County: Derry
Posts: 1702


Sorry just a poor effort at sarcasm

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 22/11/2010 20:14:20    821099

Aye, I've noticed that you are losing your touch in that dept. Maybe the recession is depressing you!!

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/11/2010 20:20:00    821105

Derryman the UK is often simply referred to as Britain, I thought you may have known this but I'm sorry I made that assumption. Anyway lets not get bogged down in this, what does it mean to Derryman to be British? Omagh I feel for you that you hate your nation so much, I couldn't imagine what it must feel like to hate what you are. Anyway this thread wasn't for you and Ulsterman to come out with the same boring old stuff so I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from this in the future. Feel free to set up your own thread

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/11/2010 20:25:16    821114

22/11/2010 20:20:00
omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2597

821105 Aye, I've noticed that you are losing your touch in that dept. Maybe the recession is depressing you!!
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Im slipping up alright I used their correctly - if I had of used there - maybe people would have got it

Omar.d (Cavan) - Posts: 1141 - 22/11/2010 20:32:50    821124

Only the uneducated would state the Uk is Britain. John Taylor when once being interviewed on television was asked what nationality did he consider himself to be and when it was explained to him that he could not be British as he was not Welsh Scots or English his retort was . " Well I know I am not Irish". So Pomeroy i assume that you know you are not Irish. However I am very sure that I Am Irish

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/11/2010 20:40:23    821137

The British have great rebel songs too !! Anyone know any ?

I can only remember one .... " Robin Hood, Robin Hood, riding through the glen,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, with his band of men,
Feared by the Bad, Loved by the Good,
Robin Hood, Robin Hood, Robin Hood " !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 22/11/2010 20:47:49    821149

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1880

821114 Derryman the UK is often simply referred to as Britain, I thought you may have known this but I'm sorry I made that assumption. Anyway lets not get bogged down in this, what does it mean to Derryman to be British? Omagh I feel for you that you hate your nation so much, I couldn't imagine what it must feel like to hate what you are. Anyway this thread wasn't for you and Ulsterman to come out with the same boring old stuff so I'd appreciate it if you could refrain from this in the future. Feel free to set up your own thread

Ireland is my nation, by virtue of being born in Ireland and holding an Irish passport, therefore I suggest an Irish citizen and as I said I do not hate Britain. Just because I don't fawn over it like you and O'Gall doesn't mean I hate them. Just because I point out that O'Galls list is inaccurate I am accused of hating Britain. Sounds like something out of the BNP collection. By the way, I don't know who or what you think you are that you feel you can dictate what thread I post on and what I should write. I am the one feeling bad for you in that you are obviously a Unionist head stuck in a nationalist body. Do you consider Amhrain Na Bhfiann as your national anthem or GSTQ? Why in aother thread did you say you would be wearing an Easter Lily despite your obvious loathing of Ireland's dead, so much so that you want to remember them as Britain's?

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/11/2010 20:51:51    821155

'Only the uneducated would state the Uk is Britain.'

I see one of Derry's biggest achievements is winning Britain in Bloom 2005. Don't see how that can be possible given Derry isn't in Britain, looks like another expensive inquiry should be set up to look into this outrage

Omagh unless you were born across the border Ireland is not your nation. You were born on the island of Ireland which has two states. That's why you have a British birth certificate, pay taxes to Britain, vote in British elections and so forth. Did you never wonder why you were doing all these things when you thought you had nothing to do with Britain?

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/11/2010 21:02:01    821166

22/11/2010 20:47:49
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 6399

821149
The British have great rebel songs too !! Anyone know any ?


Quite a few about the Jacobite rebellions, and a good one called "Parcel of Rogues".

if you look at Cecil Sharp's collection of English folk songs you will find many, many relation to rebellion, especially the class rebellion as England in particular has a distinguished history of working class rebellion.

Ewan McColl (real name Jimmy Millar) wrote hundreds of songs of rebellion as well.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/11/2010 21:03:52    821167

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1883

Omagh unless you were born across the border Ireland is not your nation. You were born on the island of Ireland which has two states. That's why you have a British birth certificate, pay taxes to Britain, vote in British elections and so forth. Did you never wonder why you were doing all these things when you thought you had nothing to do with Britain?

I have three colleagues at work who pay British taxes, one is Polish, the other born in Monaghan and the third is American. Are they now British? I think the good lord stated " Give to Ceaser what is his" I do not vote therefore that point is moot. British is not a nationality, Irish is.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/11/2010 21:31:09    821199

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1883

821166 'Only the uneducated would state the Uk is Britain.'

I see one of Derry's biggest achievements is winning Britain in Bloom 2005. Don't see how that can be possible given Derry isn't in Britain, looks like another expensive inquiry should be set up to look into this outrage

Omagh unless you were born across the border Ireland is not your nation. You were born on the island of Ireland which has two states. That's why you have a British birth certificate, pay taxes to Britain, vote in British elections and so forth. Did you never wonder why you were doing all these things when you thought you had nothing to do with Britain?

There you go Omagh I think we should both rest our cases on that. You Omagh and I were both born in Ireland and are not Irish. This could well be the Duke of Wellington reincarnated in the person of Pomeroy Plunkett. Or just a misguided deluded and obviously uneducated Quisling. Methinks the latter. Do you notice that last evening he apologised for getting it wrong but now has forgotten and reverted to his first incorrect assumption based upon a unionist myth that we Irish are British because, they while in Ireland are adamant that they are British but when in Britain or anywhere else in the world proudly proclaim to be Irish. I suspect when young pomeroy has matured a little and is priviliged to have traveled a little will see this first hand.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/11/2010 21:37:12    821206

'I do not vote therefore that point is moot'

If you decided to vote would it be in the British or Irish elections prey tell? Do you have a British or Irish birth certificate? Did you do A-Levels or Leaving Cert? Do you pay to see your doctor or is it free on the NHS? At the end of the day you can dress it up whatever way you want but Britishness flows through your veins

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/11/2010 21:45:07    821213

Where did I state you weren't Irish Derryman? Being born in Ireland of course we are. However being born in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we are also British. I recognise this, you are too blinded by your hate to be able to do so

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/11/2010 21:47:48    821216

Pomeroy, one of Derry's biggest achievements was winning the All-Ireland Championship in 1993. Only something they could do if they were in Ireland.

mattybhoy (UK) - Posts: 170 - 22/11/2010 21:48:01    821218

Is fior duit mo chara

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 22/11/2010 21:49:37    821221

mattybhoy
County: UK
Posts: 16

821218
Pomeroy, one of Derry's biggest achievements was winning the All-Ireland Championship in 1993. Only something they could do if they were in Ireland.

London and New York are not in Ireland but compete in the All-Ireland Championship

If someone from Derry considers themselves Irish then they are Irish but live in the UK. No big deal

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 23/11/2010 08:43:45    821237