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If Gaelic football reverted back to teaching skills at underage rather than the current laps, laps, laps fitness-based training that currently goes on up and down the country maybe the youth of today would have more incentive to play for seniors. It would be more craic to join the priesthood. Small, skillful players are being overlooked for 6ft athletic tanks. It is an amateur sport, let's cut back on the fitness and focus on skills, and more u12s up will stick with training rather than get bombed on bottles of buckfast on friday and saturday nights/days
Can only comment with club Im involved with , theres a three prong approach to development of players and obviously its age appropriate , skills , physical condition , and nutrition .
Teenagers are advised only on the outcome of playing sport with poor diet ,
Athletic development starts at 13 run over a course of weeks , notes passed as to how to improve based on home input .
Skills is where majority of focus is and stays during training , 200 touches of ball or solitar are the aim of any session ,
I am unaware of any team doing laps , jogging is slow running and teachs slow running ,
HIT is the order of the day High Intensive Training , very regular breaks between high impact grid games .
So dont believe we are losing players down to lack of imagination or boredom at sessions , its the getting them there part thats the hard part .
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 27/11/2013 17:29:54
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I'm 26, dropped out of gaa at 18.
Part of the reason was that I was a bit disillusioned at the time. For my final year of minor I was initially selected on the reserve panel, but I knuckled down and was playing well, scoring three or four points per game. Yet I was seeing fellas who had never played in my position (and usually played at the opposite end of the field) being selected ahead of me. Some lads were pally with the manager and were starting, despite the fact that they were worse than useless. One evening in particular soured it for me, when I was the only fella who didn't get a run during a friendly match.
Anyway, my family moved away a few months afterwards, and I wasn't so keen to go back playing gaelic games.
I went back to it two years while living abroad, ironically enough, and have really enjoyed it. It's at a lower level, but the training is intense enough.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 28/11/2013 13:06:27
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The rot starts 10 years earlier, at U8 level. Kids whose Dads are players tend to coach the little ones, and they make sure that: (1) their kid is coached to the nth degree between training sessions, and (2) their kid is aways put into midfield or forwards. It's all about winning, and the idea that the aim is to develop all kids' skills is a lie. Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
Local semi-pro soccer cubs are much better at this - lots of 3 and 4 a side games which are designed to ensure everyone has to play, and not just leaving it to the same 2 or 3 hot-housed kids. GAA club culture us deeply political. It reminds me of Winston Churchill's remark to a new Tory MP, when showing him around parliament building: "Over there, that's where the opposition sit; ands here, beside and behind you, on your side of the house, that's where your enemies sit". Wise words, and applicable to many situations.
points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 290 - 17/05/2024 16:29:59
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Drink. Girls.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 804 - 17/05/2024 19:45:41
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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "The rot starts 10 years earlier, at U8 level. Kids whose Dads are players tend to coach the little ones, and they make sure that: (1) their kid is coached to the nth degree between training sessions, and (2) their kid is aways put into midfield or forwards. It's all about winning, and the idea that the aim is to develop all kids' skills is a lie. Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
Local semi-pro soccer cubs are much better at this - lots of 3 and 4 a side games which are designed to ensure everyone has to play, and not just leaving it to the same 2 or 3 hot-housed kids. GAA club culture us deeply political. It reminds me of Winston Churchill's remark to a new Tory MP, when showing him around parliament building: "Over there, that's where the opposition sit; ands here, beside and behind you, on your side of the house, that's where your enemies sit". Wise words, and applicable to many situations." I'd agree with you about the underage and the managers son etc. Playing underage our managers son was always the captain/free taker/sideline taker regardless of where on the field it occurred. He was just short of going back to take puck outs. Actually every team up to minor that I played on including county the managers sons were also the captains. Then they wonder why so many young lads stopped playing.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2223 - 17/05/2024 21:20:49
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Replying To Bon: "I'd agree with you about the underage and the managers son etc. Playing underage our managers son was always the captain/free taker/sideline taker regardless of where on the field it occurred. He was just short of going back to take puck outs. Actually every team up to minor that I played on including county the managers sons were also the captains. Then they wonder why so many young lads stopped playing." So lads stop playing because they weren't captain? Pretty sad
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2089 - 18/05/2024 10:31:51
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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "The rot starts 10 years earlier, at U8 level. Kids whose Dads are players tend to coach the little ones, and they make sure that: (1) their kid is coached to the nth degree between training sessions, and (2) their kid is aways put into midfield or forwards. It's all about winning, and the idea that the aim is to develop all kids' skills is a lie. Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
Local semi-pro soccer cubs are much better at this - lots of 3 and 4 a side games which are designed to ensure everyone has to play, and not just leaving it to the same 2 or 3 hot-housed kids. GAA club culture us deeply political. It reminds me of Winston Churchill's remark to a new Tory MP, when showing him around parliament building: "Over there, that's where the opposition sit; ands here, beside and behind you, on your side of the house, that's where your enemies sit". Wise words, and applicable to many situations." Bull. Whatever about dads coaching their young lads and lasses between sessions is because they are more interested in getting the best out of the kids. It's not to much to get a parent to spend time with their kid rather than hand them a phone or games console and once the kids are quiet mammy and daddy are happy. I've an hour to try and teach young lads hurling skills because I know full well the hurl is not picked up until the next session. Then you've mammy or daddy getting on my case for not starting them. If you want a child to succeed you have to put YOUR time into them because I can't work miracles if they won't practice at home. YouTube is full of coaching and drill sets for anyone to use. I want to get the best for all the kids I coach but don't blame coaches for leaving the game. You'll only get out of it what you put into it. Hurling and football need the help from all mothers and fathers for all kids to get the best out off it. It's getting harder and harder to produce players because kids are getting driven all over the country to different sports. My young lad has football Monday, hurling Tuesday games at the moment Friday and Sunday. Other kids also have rugby,soccer and swimming going on at this time. Parents have to pick one or two sports and leave it at that because young kids are like zombies with all that's going on.
2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 101 - 23/05/2024 11:31:37
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Don't know why this thread was picked up nearly 11 years after the last post here, but this line is outrageous:
Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
I've coached teams up to U12 level myself for years. Sometimes there's one of my own lads involved, and sometimes there's not. But either way, I've been at it long enough to know that the ones who make most progress are the ones who practice at home by themselves in between training sessions.
And their parents don't need to be "natural coaches" for that to happen. They don't even need to know anything at all about hurling or football. All they need do is encourage their children to go out and practice according to what the other coaches and I tell them and encourage them to do.
Of course we're pleased to see children progress, whether they're our own offspring or not. But to call them "over-coached" and "pets" just because they put in the effort to practice at home is absolutely ridiculous.
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2799 - 23/05/2024 13:19:48
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't know why this thread was picked up nearly 11 years after the last post here, but this line is outrageous:
Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
I've coached teams up to U12 level myself for years. Sometimes there's one of my own lads involved, and sometimes there's not. But either way, I've been at it long enough to know that the ones who make most progress are the ones who practice at home by themselves in between training sessions.
And their parents don't need to be "natural coaches" for that to happen. They don't even need to know anything at all about hurling or football. All they need do is encourage their children to go out and practice according to what the other coaches and I tell them and encourage them to do.
Of course we're pleased to see children progress, whether they're our own offspring or not. But to call them "over-coached" and "pets" just because they put in the effort to practice at home is absolutely ridiculous." Well said.
2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 101 - 23/05/2024 16:40:41
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't know why this thread was picked up nearly 11 years after the last post here, but this line is outrageous:
Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
I've coached teams up to U12 level myself for years. Sometimes there's one of my own lads involved, and sometimes there's not. But either way, I've been at it long enough to know that the ones who make most progress are the ones who practice at home by themselves in between training sessions.
And their parents don't need to be "natural coaches" for that to happen. They don't even need to know anything at all about hurling or football. All they need do is encourage their children to go out and practice according to what the other coaches and I tell them and encourage them to do.
Of course we're pleased to see children progress, whether they're our own offspring or not. But to call them "over-coached" and "pets" just because they put in the effort to practice at home is absolutely ridiculous." Got a reaction out of you didn't it? Stamping your little foot lol. Truth hurts.
You're lost in your own privilege bubble.
Lots of parents have jobs that require them to be based in Dublin / elsewhere during the week, or are not rich enough to have a gaff with a back garden etc. Many kids are single-parent. One parent struggling to make ends meet. Finding time for coaching every day is a middle-class luxury.
Reality is that so-called team training sessions are nothing more than team selection sessions.
points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 290 - 07/02/2025 17:12:52
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Replying To Gleebo: "I'm 26, dropped out of gaa at 18.
Part of the reason was that I was a bit disillusioned at the time. For my final year of minor I was initially selected on the reserve panel, but I knuckled down and was playing well, scoring three or four points per game. Yet I was seeing fellas who had never played in my position (and usually played at the opposite end of the field) being selected ahead of me. Some lads were pally with the manager and were starting, despite the fact that they were worse than useless. One evening in particular soured it for me, when I was the only fella who didn't get a run during a friendly match.
Anyway, my family moved away a few months afterwards, and I wasn't so keen to go back playing gaelic games.
I went back to it two years while living abroad, ironically enough, and have really enjoyed it. It's at a lower level, but the training is intense enough." Not giving a fella a run during a friendly is the pits. You were right to leave if you weren't being respected. Glad your back playing and enjoying it. I know you said your abroad but I've always felt club loyalty is overrated, be loyal to the people who are loyal to you. Life is too short.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2223 - 07/02/2025 19:46:36
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Stopped playing at 17.
I was useless. Simples.
Monaghan4ulster (Monaghan) - Posts: 13 - 07/02/2025 21:12:03
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't know why this thread was picked up nearly 11 years after the last post here, but this line is outrageous:
Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
I've coached teams up to U12 level myself for years. Sometimes there's one of my own lads involved, and sometimes there's not. But either way, I've been at it long enough to know that the ones who make most progress are the ones who practice at home by themselves in between training sessions.
And their parents don't need to be "natural coaches" for that to happen. They don't even need to know anything at all about hurling or football. All they need do is encourage their children to go out and practice according to what the other coaches and I tell them and encourage them to do.
Of course we're pleased to see children progress, whether they're our own offspring or not. But to call them "over-coached" and "pets" just because they put in the effort to practice at home is absolutely ridiculous." I have to disagree slightly with you Pikeman, while the phrasing is pretty outrageous, there is a kernel of truth to it. I remember all too well the "good" lads being invited and asked to go to extra training sessions and puck arounds by the managers, coaches, or even parents groups within the club. I was never asked or invited. While that wasn't the only reason I packed it in around 15 or 16, it was certainly part of it. It reinforced my own feelings of being useless.
My parents also had zero interest in it, the one time they did come to a game to see me, my auld fella told me he was bored out of his mind. Literally the first thing he said to me. He also took me down a peg a few times, thinking I had got a big head, and also it would motivate me to prove him wrong. Telling me I was useless or whatever. Was sort of hard to motivate myself to do extra practice with all that.
Came back in my early twenties. At the time I could only half strike a ball and only off my weak side. Something the coaches at my old club in Wexford never corrected or tried to help me improve.
I moved to Dublin after college and joined a club here. I spent the first couple of years being the useless lad at training but I watched like a hawk how everyone was moving, striking, or whatever else. Always asked for advice (we had a couple of lads who played senior inter county in a past life I'd annoy a lot for advice). Spent hours practicing, until I got blisters, a few days outside training every week.
Eventually I got to a decent level and started to take the frees for the club and even managed to bag a league and championship medal. Reinvented myself as a forward instead of being thrown in the corner and told to just spoil lads.
Sort of proved to myself that I could have been a decent hurler with some intervention from coaches and a little more encouragement. Sorry about the rant.
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 08/02/2025 09:23:30
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I retired before my 16th birthday. I didn't particularly enjoy playing as I don't fit in with groups and I wasn't very good. I had good skill level but executing that in a game was another matter. When I had the ball my mind would freeze and I would panic, usually this resulted in kicking a wide.
There was another time when I left during a season because I was subbed for someone who hadn't been to training.
Sporting talent doesn't run in my family, I have very few relatives who even played adult football although I did find out I have a distant cousin who played in the 1958 All Ireland final.
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Replying To Fulgrim: " Replying To Pikeman96: "Don't know why this thread was picked up nearly 11 years after the last post here, but this line is outrageous:
Too many underage coaches are pleased to see their over-coached offspring and pets progress at the expense of kids whose parents are not natural coaches etc.
I've coached teams up to U12 level myself for years. Sometimes there's one of my own lads involved, and sometimes there's not. But either way, I've been at it long enough to know that the ones who make most progress are the ones who practice at home by themselves in between training sessions.
And their parents don't need to be "natural coaches" for that to happen. They don't even need to know anything at all about hurling or football. All they need do is encourage their children to go out and practice according to what the other coaches and I tell them and encourage them to do.
Of course we're pleased to see children progress, whether they're our own offspring or not. But to call them "over-coached" and "pets" just because they put in the effort to practice at home is absolutely ridiculous." I have to disagree slightly with you Pikeman, while the phrasing is pretty outrageous, there is a kernel of truth to it. I remember all too well the "good" lads being invited and asked to go to extra training sessions and puck arounds by the managers, coaches, or even parents groups within the club. I was never asked or invited. While that wasn't the only reason I packed it in around 15 or 16, it was certainly part of it. It reinforced my own feelings of being useless. My parents also had zero interest in it, the one time they did come to a game to see me, my auld fella told me he was bored out of his mind. Literally the first thing he said to me. He also took me down a peg a few times, thinking I had got a big head, and also it would motivate me to prove him wrong. Telling me I was useless or whatever. Was sort of hard to motivate myself to do extra practice with all that. Came back in my early twenties. At the time I could only half strike a ball and only off my weak side. Something the coaches at my old club in Wexford never corrected or tried to help me improve. I moved to Dublin after college and joined a club here. I spent the first couple of years being the useless lad at training but I watched like a hawk how everyone was moving, striking, or whatever else. Always asked for advice (we had a couple of lads who played senior inter county in a past life I'd annoy a lot for advice). Spent hours practicing, until I got blisters, a few days outside training every week. Eventually I got to a decent level and started to take the frees for the club and even managed to bag a league and championship medal. Reinvented myself as a forward instead of being thrown in the corner and told to just spoil lads. Sort of proved to myself that I could have been a decent hurler with some intervention from coaches and a little more encouragement. Sorry about the rant."
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 08/02/2025 15:18:35
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I'm actually not from a big club at all Viking. I do have a relative from my extended family involved in the club now who says things have improved an awful since my time. Not just in terms of the quality of coaching but encouraging participation and helping lads who don't show immediate potential.
I sort of feel like it was just the times I grew up in, think most clubs were like that. And it wasn't just GAA thing either. Seems like most clubs/sports are vastly different nowadays.
Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 261 - 08/02/2025 15:41:06
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Was actually talking to 2 young fellas from my club last weekend, both 18 and not playing this year (both would have played inter county upto minor aswell and started for senior team last year)
I asked why arnt you playing this year. Said they went to the first meeting with management and players before Christmas, They were giving a schedule for Jan/Feb
Monday Training
Tues Squad Gym session
Weds Training
Thurs Gym on own
Fri Training
Sat Gym on own
Sun 8.30 Training or Running on mountain
So basically for a club team, they are expected to train or gym as a team 5 days a week
Both said they are too young to be ruining their lives for 3/4 important championship games a year that are not on until August/Sept
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Replying To Fulgrim: "I'm actually not from a big club at all Viking. I do have a relative from my extended family involved in the club now who says things have improved an awful since my time. Not just in terms of the quality of coaching but encouraging participation and helping lads who don't show immediate potential.
I sort of feel like it was just the times I grew up in, think most clubs were like that. And it wasn't just GAA thing either. Seems like most clubs/sports are vastly different nowadays." There's alot more science and quality coaching for coaches nowadays. I'm only an enthusiastic parent when it comes to coaching, but the help I've been given by Games Development and Wexford GAA in terms of courses etc has been mindblowing.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 14/02/2025 13:52:56
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Replying To DundalkGael: "Was actually talking to 2 young fellas from my club last weekend, both 18 and not playing this year (both would have played inter county upto minor aswell and started for senior team last year)
I asked why arnt you playing this year. Said they went to the first meeting with management and players before Christmas, They were giving a schedule for Jan/Feb
Monday Training
Tues Squad Gym session
Weds Training
Thurs Gym on own
Fri Training
Sat Gym on own
Sun 8.30 Training or Running on mountain
So basically for a club team, they are expected to train or gym as a team 5 days a week
Both said they are too young to be ruining their lives for 3/4 important championship games a year that are not on until August/Sept" That's mad. Players were dead right.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1517 - 14/02/2025 14:03:13
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Replying To DundalkGael: "Was actually talking to 2 young fellas from my club last weekend, both 18 and not playing this year (both would have played inter county upto minor aswell and started for senior team last year)
I asked why arnt you playing this year. Said they went to the first meeting with management and players before Christmas, They were giving a schedule for Jan/Feb
Monday Training
Tues Squad Gym session
Weds Training
Thurs Gym on own
Fri Training
Sat Gym on own
Sun 8.30 Training or Running on mountain
So basically for a club team, they are expected to train or gym as a team 5 days a week
Both said they are too young to be ruining their lives for 3/4 important championship games a year that are not on until August/Sept" That's unbelievable for a club team. I take it they are aiming to win an AI club title? Are you sure the lads weren't winding you up? 4 pitch based training sessions a week is some going. Our pitches wouldn't be able for it tbh.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 14/02/2025 14:20:26
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