Patrique, it may not be worth responding to your general stream of claims about an incident which you seem to have difficulty accepting took place, even though it was captured on video and the pictures have subsequently been published on Wednesday. However, you have specifcially alleged that the Irish News ran a headline about a `Catholic dog`. When did this happen ? Did you read it yourself at the time ? Can you offer any supporting evidence whatsoever ?

MourneRising (Down) - Posts: 238 - 23/09/2010 08:31:42    781795

Antrim and Tyrone jerseys were burned in broughshane Co Antrim bonfire on 11 July and this can be seen on youtube. The Irish News carried a front page photograph of the two men in question as they climbed the ladder to take the flags down. As somone else pointed out unionists also burned out cars with GAA flags and slogans on them and smashed windows in other cars in a rampage of sectarianism in Kilkeel, this was reported on the tv, radio and print media.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 23/09/2010 08:59:28    781803

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 9634


Pat,
For an experiment, saying as you believe things have moved on so much. Put a few Antrim or any GAA flags up in your car and leave overnight in Kilkeel. You will have a very unpleasant suprise waiting for you in the morning.

Its not just a few little thugs.

neverafree (Down) - Posts: 456 - 23/09/2010 09:29:24    781819

on friday before the all-ireland final, staff at the local ulster bank in castlewellan were asked by senior management to get into the spirit and wear down colours, by 10.30 dup representative had formed a picket outsite the bank...

on sunday morning radio ulster , reported that the police advised gaa followers on their way to dublin to avoid the village of clough as cars and buses were being targetted by a mob.....

we all live in different worlds

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1687 - 23/09/2010 10:03:46    781842

HAG_AND_CHEESE everything you said in this post is 100% correct

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 23/09/2010 10:35:26    781876

There are two sides to this story, a) the bigots who ripped down the GAA flags, burned cars in Ballymartin, protested in Castlewellan, stoned cars in Clough, took down flags in Saval and Drumgath, etc etc, just a sample of what Nationalist /GAA people have to endure. And then we have those commenting from their safe havens of Meath, Mayo, Cork, many of whom have never been across the imaginary line into the 6 Counties, (De NORT), well except to bolster the British economy and shopping in Newry, Enniskillen , Strabane , Derry or Belfast. These people do not understand the situation in De Nort, and what Catholics have to endure.

sam02 (Tyrone) - Posts: 643 - 23/09/2010 10:53:20    781894

23/09/2010 10:53:20
sam02
County: Armagh
Posts: 558

781894
There are two sides to this story, a) the bigots who ripped down the GAA flags, burned cars in Ballymartin, protested in Castlewellan, stoned cars in Clough, took down flags in Saval and Drumgath, etc etc, just a sample of what Nationalist /GAA people have to endure. And then we have those commenting from their safe havens of Meath, Mayo, Cork, many of whom have never been across the imaginary line into the 6 Counties, (De NORT), well except to bolster the British economy and shopping in Newry, Enniskillen , Strabane , Derry or Belfast. These people do not understand the situation in De Nort, and what Catholics have to endure.

sam02, SPOT ON.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 23/09/2010 11:08:08    781902

Kilkeel is full of s**m bags who were going round Asda car park and scraping cars with down flags on them.I wont be expecting the police 2 do much about it some things never change

bigstone (Down) - Posts: 74 - 23/09/2010 11:08:18    781903

Patrique

That was one politician who last week when asked if he thought the shooting of Bobby Moffatt by the UVF was wrong said "I don't know, I wasn't there". That shows the mark of the man. - Where did I mention anything about this? I was on about the kids wearing GAA jerseys in tescos a couple of years ago, where grown loyalist men said they were threatening and in your face.

He lives in Antrim Town. He was certainly not in Carryduff. - What?

And Hogan stand could do without pathetic bigots like you posting here from Mayo on subjects you know nothing about. Believe me I know plenty about the whole of Ireland, and probably a lot more than you do.

I will give my opinion as you give yours so deal with it.

Spuddy (Mayo) - Posts: 345 - 23/09/2010 11:10:29    781906

I know of two families who were paid a visit by the PSNI and told to remove Down flags from their garden in the interests of 'community relations'. These families live in 'mixed' town in which for 6 months of the year the entire town centre is covered in loyalist flags and bunting for the marching seasons. Yet when Down get to their first All Ireland final in 16 years the police see fit to tell people off about expressing their support for the team! Needless to say these two families told the PSNI where to go. I also know of motorists who were stopped on their way home through some areas to be met by young loyalists mobs throwing stones and kicking cars for having Down flags up, the police told one motorist they should have taken the flag down - thats how bigotry is dealt with up here, blame the innocent to appease the bigots.

artisan (Down) - Posts: 1794 - 23/09/2010 11:37:50    781939

Sam I know you're annoyed but that's a bit strong. Everyone in Ireland is entitled to comment about anything in Ireland wether we agree or not, the vast majority our fellow citizens in the 26 counties have more knowledge than you give them credit for, you will always get the odd unionist apologist but as this board proves you can get them on the occupied and unoccupied side of our country.

I also agree with Hag and Cheese, festinog, yewtree etc.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 23/09/2010 12:03:31    781963

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1575

781555 To say that the GAA is open to all is incorrect. Would someone from a Unionist background be happy playing for a club named after a Republican? What about the Sinn Fein rallies and hunger strike commemorations held in GAA grounds? The whole basis of the GAA is to 'strengthen the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic games and pastimes'. How is this going to be appealing to Unionists exactly? GAA and Nationalism are inextricably linked and as such GAA flags are often seen as Nationalist. Dell claiming politics has nothing to do with the GAA shows his complete ignorance

They are more than welcome to join, no-one said weather or not they want to. Also the GAA has and never had any rules banning anyone because of religion.
And this is Ireland after all, why are people so worried about offending people who's roots are foreign to this land. The Irish immigrants don't run about other countries trying to stomp out that particular countries identity, we imbrace them and thats why the world loves us!

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 23/09/2010 12:05:24    781965

Didn't happen me thankfully when I pulled over outside a newsagents on Newtonards Rd in late September 2000 with 4 Green & Gold flags blazing from the 4 windows of the 99KYreg.

I had kind of forgotten when I got out of the car but soon realised my error when returning with my ham sandwich and a thousand curious stares to see my car in glorious green and gold against the background of Red, White and Blue paving and Orange flags blowing in the wind from every streetlights.

I evacuated the scene pretty promptly with my tail between my legs.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 23/09/2010 12:19:25    781988

A number of people have been asking Patrique some questions, but despite his 9634 previous posts he has not been responding. Perhaps he will get round to doing so at some stage today.

MourneRising (Down) - Posts: 238 - 23/09/2010 12:31:45    782009

PATRIQUE SAYS;

I have never, ever, seen a GAA jersey burnt on a bonfire in my life, and neither has anone else in Northern Ireland. Maybe it is a practice in Kildare.

In the north they burn British soccer jerseys on the bonfire.

But.....there are one and a half million people in Northern Ireland.

It could be argued that one million, four hundred and ninety eight thousand of them are trying to live in harmony, with maybe 2,000 maximun, disidents, from both sides.

Most of these disadents are bored children who never had anything, and never will.

And someone in Kildare is gooing to be dictated to by them? I am flabbergasted by that.

IF THIS INCIDENT happened, I know it was a few idiots, who have achieved more than they ever expected by annoying a load of bigots whpo post on Hogan stand.

I nearly admire them. As Churchill once said "never have so few........"


A few kids can achieve this in a prank????????

And the person who started all of this lives 200 miles away in ROYAL Meath>

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Well Patrique, you really didn't address anything I said, did you? However, I'll be the bigger man and deal with your points

You've never seen a GAA jersey burned and neither has anyone else in the North? So......you speak for everyone in the North? Well, I HAVE seen GAA jerseys burned in the North while living and working there. Also, here's the first picture that comes up on a goole image search http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Europe/United_Kingdom/Northern_Ireland/Antrim/Belfast/photo308097.htm Note the Armagh GAA flag. That took less than four seconds to find.

I don't care if they're a minority. What's that got to do with anything? Did you read what I said? I said I hope someone in the Protestant community feels secure enough to say that this minority doesn't speak for them. Being a minority doesn't make their way of thinking any less redundant, or dangerous, or hate-filled.

Now, as for people on hoganstand being 'a load of bigots' I'm assuming that you're including me in that, since you were replying to my post. Tell me, cos Im dying to know, how does disliking the divisive action of some Loyalists make me a bigot?

As I pointed out (and you ignored) you mis-used the word 'libellous'. Seems you've done it again with 'bigot'. Do you even know what it means? You don't even know what religion, if any, I am, or what political ideology I subscribe to, if any.

As for 'ROYAL Meath', that's just pathetic. That 'royal' refers to Tara and even if the people of Meath were 100% Monarchists what point would you be making?

Count_Awesome (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 23/09/2010 14:15:02    782140

Suprise suprise patrique wrong again about gaa flags not been burned cant even take his posts serious . Hag and cheese i do take your points and good ones at that but back then alot of poeple did not start the gaa for political reasons but others used the gaa as that to be fair .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 23/09/2010 14:58:32    782212

artisan
County: Down
Posts: 276

781939 I know of two families who were paid a visit by the PSNI and told to remove Down flags from their garden in the interests of 'community relations'. These families live in 'mixed' town in which for 6 months of the year the entire town centre is covered in loyalist flags and bunting for the marching seasons vartisan

Does not suprise me and like you said the orange flags are up all year round.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 23/09/2010 15:23:21    782251

Dellboypolecat:

I have a book the history of tipperary gaa in front of me here published in 1969... the first few champter focus on the establishment of the gaa and one of it main focuses was nationalist.

Here a letter from archbishop croke of cashel the first patron of the gaa
"We are importing of our free will, foreign games and customs to the discredit of our own, and to the sore of humilation of every genuine son and daughter of the land... if we go on as we are, despising the sports of our ancestors for those alien to our soil, we had better at once abjure our nationality and place England's red exultantly above our immortal green"

Not a sporting paper in dublin would publish the archbishops letter, then hailed and since hailed as the charter of the association "I took the manifesto into their offices" says Michael Cusack "but they refused it"

Is that political and nationalistic enough for you Dell??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 23/09/2010 15:48:31    782286

HAG_AND_CHEESE
County: Tipperary
Posts: 3631

782286 Dellboypolecat:

I have a book the history of tipperary gaa in front of me here published in 1969...

Must finally be due a updated version this year??? :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 23/09/2010 15:58:07    782296

HAG_AND_CHEESE


Like i said i believe some of your points but my views say it is not polictial and i have said in a early post alot of poeple back then used the gaa as political and that was abused alot . Now i think things have changed alot from then and all are welcome now in the gaa you cant deny that .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 23/09/2010 15:58:26    782297