Loyalists caught removing Down flags



That is the title of this thread which is actually libelous.

No-one was "caught" doing anything. Some woman made an unfounded allegation.........

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 19:06:13    781550

To say that the GAA is open to all is incorrect. Would someone from a Unionist background be happy playing for a club named after a Republican? What about the Sinn Fein rallies and hunger strike commemorations held in GAA grounds? The whole basis of the GAA is to 'strengthen the National Identity in a 32 County Ireland through the preservation and promotion of Gaelic games and pastimes'. How is this going to be appealing to Unionists exactly? GAA and Nationalism are inextricably linked and as such GAA flags are often seen as Nationalist. Dell claiming politics has nothing to do with the GAA shows his complete ignorance

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/09/2010 19:10:57    781555

Dellboypolecat:

What are you trying to argue we agree that it's wrong they were taken down...

Read my posts again I'm saying that the GAA is used as a political pawn and sport around the world is often used this way.... also look at the core reasons the gaa was set up and then look at the definition of nationalism and tell me there aren't parallels between the two.

Before your start debating this figure out what your arguing.... I surprised with your arguement really being from the 6 counties where gaa is used even further to define peoples nationalism.... and to think differently I believe is wrong..... wonce again my arguement is that you say GAA is not political well can you argue that it is not used indirectly as one of the symbol of nationalist community identity I for one see my love of hurling as an irish identity..... I not for a second saying that it has to do with nationalist extremists.

hurler40:
Hang on a second there you'll see what i term as nationalist extremists well the people you mention there are extremists and would be in the minority, celtic and rangers are also used as part of nationalist and unionist identities also why do irish people tend to support celtic other than rangers.... what do you normally catagorise celtic supports as (catholic and nationalist) rangers are the opposite.... there may be some exceptions but in the majority it is true..... I don't even want to go down the road of the extremeists!!!!

Also you should read my post also I SAID TAKING DOWN THE FLAGS WAS WRONG my arguement is with a point dellboy made saying that GAA is not political, we'll it has been in its creation it's history granted it's less political today but is used as an identity and thus indirectly is still political (nationalist) motivated.... what's wrong with what i said there.

What exactly don't i understand in what i have posted so far.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 19:12:12    781559

it gets worse,a man had a push bike robbed from outside the post office in drumshambo today.this country is going to the dogs

finglas full ba (None) - Posts: 636 - 22/09/2010 19:23:37    781573

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1570

781290 Can't help but feel those that put up these contentious flags were after a reaction. Respecting other's beliefs is the key here, if you know something is going to antagonise people then don't do it

What is your thoughts on Orange ,Apprentice boy and Black marches,

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2010 19:28:54    781579

22/09/2010 19:03:48
Spuddy
County: Mayo
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Pathetic bigots doing what they do best. These are the same idiots who caused uproar about children wearing Gaa jerseys.



No, they are not.

That was one politician who last week when asked if he thought the shooting of Bobby Moffatt by the UVF was wrong said "I don't know, I wasn't there". That shows the mark of the man.

He lives in Antrim Town. He was certainly not in Carryduff.

And Hogan stand could do without pathetic bigots like you posting here from Mayo on subjects you know nothing about.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 19:30:01    781580

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 9625

781542 This "story" has not made the news.
So it was not reported in the Irish News?

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2010 19:35:09    781588

hurler40 & Dellboypolecat:

Well I tried to explain my view in detail but it was not posted... Again I said it was wrong but my point is dell saying GAA is not political which isn't true.... It was set up as a nationalist organisation and has a history embedded in politics maybe to a lesser extent today... but the gaa will also be used a badge of nationalism and irish identity that is my point so indirectly gaa is brought into politics and conflicts outside the game.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 19:43:35    781604

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1570

781290 Can't help but feel those that put up these contentious flags were after a reaction. Respecting other's beliefs is the key here, if you know something is going to antagonise people then don't do it

So what is your thoughts on Contentious Parades.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2010 19:45:34    781606

PomeroyPlunkett
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1570

781290 Can't help but feel those that put up these contentious flags were after a reaction. Respecting other's beliefs is the key here, if you know something is going to antagonise people then don't do it

So what is your thoughts on Contentious Parades.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/09/2010 19:46:10    781608

Admin don't know why my posts aren't being published....

Again I do not agree with the flags being taken down but hurler40 may point is with dell saying Gaa is not political.... well in this case it can be used a a mark of irish identity thus it is political, althought not a political as it has been in the past it is still indirectly political.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 19:58:27    781621

Derryman why have you asked the same question three times? To answer your questions:

1. I'm opposed to them
2. I'm opposed to them
3. I'm opposed to them

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/09/2010 20:14:11    781635

Patrique - you need to learn what the word 'libellous' means.

Unionist politicians are never slow to say that the GAA needs to reach out to the Protestant community. But look what happens when a Down flag is put BESIDE a Union flag. The symbolism is just perfect - No shared identity here. No mixing either. I'll wager these people are the same lads who burn GAA jerseys on their bonfires every 11th July.

'Dont put your flag beside ours because you're not welcome.' That's the message these guys are sending. I hope someone from the local Protestant community feels secure enough to say in public that they don't speak for everyone.

Count_Awesome (Kildare) - Posts: 736 - 22/09/2010 20:23:17    781647

hag_and_cheese.
the g.a.a was set up to promote irish ways and games , and to galvanise the nationalists cause throughout the land , so in what you are saying hag , is true i agree with you .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 22/09/2010 20:37:07    781675

I wonder was it really Down supporters in disguise beacuse they knew that they were going to get beat and were just taking the flags down to keep them clean for the next time in an all-ireland final (2045)?

TheBigR (Tyrone) - Posts: 56 - 22/09/2010 21:08:50    781716

Booby trap them. It's not like it hasn't been done before.

derfil1 (Kildare) - Posts: 1612 - 22/09/2010 21:11:30    781719

FFS its happens in every parish and county throughout the entire country. Flags being take down by someone who's jealous of there neighbour or maybe someone else does it for pure devilment knowing it's going to cause war.

A lot of the time you'll get people putting up flags and bunting in areas knowing rightly that it's going to get a reaction from others .

BufordTJustice (USA) - Posts: 669 - 22/09/2010 21:15:19    781726

22/09/2010 19:35:09
derryman
County: Derry
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patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 9625

781542 This "story" has not made the news.
So it was not reported in the Irish News?



Alas Hogan Stand censor all criticism of the paper that once had a headline "Army run over Catholic DOG" as I had already said that this was unreliable.

Without mentioning the journal, it is hardly a beacon of fact and consistency.

It has not made news elsewhere as it is has not been backed up by any proof.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 21:30:07    781747

Every county in Ireland put out flags when their team gets to the final. Carryduff is on one of the main roads into Belfast from the rest of Co.Down. Those flags were for all Down supporters to enjoy the build-up to the game. They were not put up just to cause tension. To say so is ridiculous. I notice the Down flags and bunting on the upper Ormeau are still flying proudly, and Union flags on the same stretch of road - all untouched.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 22/09/2010 21:36:32    781755

22/09/2010 20:23:17
Count_Awesome
County: Kildare
Posts: 68

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Patrique - you need to learn what the word 'libellous' means.

Unionist politicians are never slow to say that the GAA needs to reach out to the Protestant community. But look what happens when a Down flag is put BESIDE a Union flag. The symbolism is just perfect - No shared identity here. No mixing either. I'll wager these people are the same lads who burn GAA jerseys on their bonfires every 11th July.




I have never, ever, seen a GAA jersey burnt on a bonfire in my life, and neither has anone else in Northern Ireland. Maybe it is a practice in Kildare.

In the north they burn British soccer jerseys on the bonfire.

But.....there are one and a half million people in Northern Ireland.

It could be argued that one million, four hundred and ninety eight thousand of them are trying to live in harmony, with maybe 2,000 maximun, disidents, from both sides.

Most of these disadents are bored children who never had anything, and never will.

And someone in Kildare is gooing to be dictated to by them? I am flabbergasted by that.

IF THIS INCIDENT happened, I know it was a few idiots, who have achieved more than they ever expected by annoying a load of bigots whpo post on Hogan stand.

I nearly admire them. As Churchill once said "never have so few........"


A few kids can achieve this in a prank????????

And the person who started all of this lives 200 miles away in ROYAL Meath>

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 21:37:12    781757