There's people who would say N.I. is part of the United Kingdom so how could people get offended by flying the Union flag,

Carryduff is a part of down so why cant they then fly down flags.... Unionist can fly their flags so why can't nationalist fly their's.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 16:39:14    781363

Hag and cheese there was reasons why the security could not play gaa back then and well you know but are allowed now . The gaa in the north are always taking a bashing from these boys and wrong it is .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/09/2010 16:42:02    781366

Dellboypolecat:

To say that the gaa has no relationship with political or religious views is wrong.... I think you find the majority of national in the north would be nationalists.... in a perfer world there would be no affiliation but this in not a perfect world.

I don't agree with what they did but to say GAA is not political is wrong because indirectly it's brought under the political and religious banner... it's similar to the whole rangers celtic thing.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 17:14:14    781418

There is no comparison between a bit of rivalry between two rival/competing counties, and vandalism based on sectarian divide. Though a relatively minor incident, it serves to remind those that care of the conditions GAA supporters north of the border have had to deal with since the organisation was founded.
Mikeynora - though I personally disagree, you can tear down all the Kerry flags you like safe in the knowledge that you're not going to get burned-out of your home for doing it.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3143 - 22/09/2010 17:15:52    781419

Dellboypolecat
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Hag and cheese there was reasons why the security could not play gaa back then and well you know but are allowed now . The gaa in the north are always taking a bashing from these boys and wrong it is .

True Dell

In the late 1880/ 90s, The IRB controlled the GAA and used clubs as recruitment grounds for their cause. They could not afford to have any dissenters (i.e police and security forces) involved in the sports they ran. So they were banned.

This is proof of the politicisation of the GAA and that was well over a century ago!

JuanVeron (Westmeath) - Posts: 1866 - 22/09/2010 17:20:32    781425

I always cringe when I see these stories, because it means Mikeynora and his politically correct ilk come out of the woodwork.
The types of fellas who would call us part of the British Isles. West Brits if you will. At the end of the day, a Down man should
be able to put up a Down flag in his own county. Full stop. This is a throwback when lads were afraid to carry hurls around...
To make out like it's insignificant, is to put your head in the sand...that's why this country is in such a mess. We lost our soul.

offalyfaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 120 - 22/09/2010 17:28:24    781437

JuanVeron not saying your wrong but this not entirely true however you have a point , and times have changed i admit and me like others where against the british forces playing gaa because of different reasons . The gaa is a sporting group like soccer , rugby, cricket etc and i believve that it is not polictal . like the gaa .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/09/2010 17:33:31    781445

HAG_AND_CHEESE Come on now you cant compare celtic, rangers to the gaa as it is grey area between them 2 and the gaa do not fall in to this type of behaviour
even though there genuine fans in those clubs as well. The bottom line is that anytime a ulster taem gets to a final there is always some kind of up roar from these poeple you do not see gaa poeple removing there flags etc now do you?

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/09/2010 18:02:39    781472

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The census says otherwise. The more pertinent question is what consideration was given to local residents when these flags were put up. Could very well have been a means to fuel local tensions and I certainly hope that wasn't the case

Pomeroy prat - I'm from Carryduff and you obviously don't know what you're on about once again. Just trying to get a rise out of people as usual.

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the last census was done 10 years ago and our parish has nearly doubled in size in that time, needing a new primary school even. So your outdated facts are now useless. Carryduff GAC is now the biggest club in down and the parish is one of the biggest in the diocese. There was no malice in putting up of down flags just county down people trying to show their support for their team, and the flags didnt go up in any area which would be contentious they were up below the roundabout and then just as far as the roundabout, for anyone that knows carryduff this is the more catholic area and after the roundabout would be the more protestant part.

Streeeking - You obviously DO come from Carryduff, because your response is more or less what I was going to say.

Truth is, there have been worse incidents in the county from sectarian vandals and it just demonstrates that some people lack understanding and still have a lot of growing up to do.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 22/09/2010 18:02:41    781473

yes like the down car in ballymartin being burnt, secterian slogans an up cork on a wall in analong, buntings and flags ripped down in augusnafinn and people dressing up as policemen in clough outside dundrum an telling people to take down the flags on there car, jus a few of the things thats happened within the county this past week

dj27legend (Down) - Posts: 641 - 22/09/2010 18:10:24    781478

Dell I'm sure there have been numerous Unionist flags removed or vandalised around the country. It's a storm in a tea cup, people erected these flags in a Protestant area to get a reaction and a reaction they got. This sort of thing happens every day and isn't really news worthy

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 22/09/2010 18:14:59    781482

It was me.

let's face it, a real loyalist would not be wearing a jacket saying "I am a loyalist" on it.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 18:21:22    781488

rangers to the gaa as it is grey area between them 2 and the gaa do not fall in to this type of behaviour

Is it not catholic v protestant.... nationalist v unionist really in both comparisons!! The vast majority of Gaa people are catholic nationalists correct me if i'm wrong..... the point i'm making is that the gaa should be part of this and you say it's not political well sorry the gaa has been brought into the religious and political battle!! the latest eposide of which is UNIONISTS taking down Down gaa flags.

And what the gaa was set up as can be see as nationalist views to promote every thing irish, for me that falls under the term Nationalism??

It was wrong taking down the flags I'm not argueing that point what I'm argueing is your point that the GAA is not political.... it was political in it's creation it's history and continues to be especially in 6 counties.... if you think other wise your in dream land.... sport has a long history of being dragged into politics and religion all over the world.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 22/09/2010 18:21:59    781491

There would be some outroar if it was two men wearing Down jackets up a ladder taking down flags for the 12th.

Somehow I can't see this being given the same attention

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 22/09/2010 18:33:28    781513

Hag and cheese ok you state nationalist v unionist well we do not rip down flags flying for marches for the orange order etc , we do not do it to unionist soccer team , we make no statements knocking any of there sports like there soccer clubs etc , The unionist are always whinging bout the gaa like with the buntings or flags . No wi know you do not agree with the flags been removed but your more and less coming across saying that the gaa is politcial but am telling you it is not because there more cultures joining the gaa than before .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 22/09/2010 18:35:57    781514

to equate rangers and gaa in one sentence really shows ignorance ot the highest order.rangers are a bigoted bunch who spend 90 mins every sat or sunday singing anti irish anti rc songs.we are a forward thinking organisation who has changed our rules to accomodate the other traditions.people in tipp like hag and cheese dont understand the situation in ulster.keep the flag flying down,ye are wonderful reps of ulster.

hurler40 (Cavan) - Posts: 450 - 22/09/2010 18:38:28    781516

PomeroyPlunkett
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781233 'From June onwards in the North people from both sides have to accept the Union Jacks (& other flags) everywhere around us. I think it's a disgrace that the flags have been removed the day before the All Ireland Final.'

The majority of people in Carryduff are Protestant. Is it fair that they have to suffer Nationalist GAA flags being flown in their area? It would be the same as someone pulling down a Union Flag in a Catholic area and I would have no problem with that either


The GAA are not reglious biased and the Down flags where on display to celebrate sporting achievment. The GAA is open for all to join.
The Union flags (along with the Orange Order, UVF and UDA flags) are on display to support a secterianism and religious biggorty.

wise_guy (Tyrone) - Posts: 1584 - 22/09/2010 18:49:14    781526

very disappointing that da unionists still behave this way. i know of lads who painted a shed in galway mayo colours and visa vera a shed near casltebar was paintin maroon in 98. ive seen flags robbed of pub roofs and houses in border towns such as shrule and ballindine but its all in good nature and fun.
da people removing the flags in down though probably have pure hatrad for down and their colour even though they are from down?

why dont these people get out of ireland if they dont want to be associated with being from down and ireland.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 22/09/2010 18:56:05    781535

This "story" has not made the news. It was reported in a paper which once had a headline "Army run over Catholic DOG". Maybe the pope was to beatify the dog last week.

However this story is in the news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11387169

And according to the news on the radio at 6 o'clock this was a great success.

Nice to see many people are trying to bring the community together, instead of spreading non stories about children allegedly misbehaving.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/09/2010 19:01:04    781542

Pathetic bigots doing what they do best. These are the same idiots who caused uproar about children wearing Gaa jerseys.

Spuddy (Mayo) - Posts: 345 - 22/09/2010 19:03:48    781548