Tom O Sullivan has been on of the top man markers in the game for the last 10 years. Granted this year he was poor but he was outstanding in the 2000, 2004 and last years All Ireland. Killian Young hasn't showed any of the form he had in 2007 when he won Young Players of the Year. Up on till 2 years ago Aidan O Mahony was the most consistent player in the country. I player i do think is overrated is Darran O'Sullivan is very headless with the ball and makes a lot of poor chooses when it comes to shooting etc

kerryhurling (Kerry) - Posts: 274 - 04/08/2010 13:02:50    735476

I would say there are afew top class players (Galvin,Marc,Tomas,Dec,Gooch) with Kerry and then the rest are good players but not world beaters. I dont think any of those lads go around claiming to be superstars but just give it their best shot whenever they tog out. Unfortunately Saturday wasnt the day for them but hopefully they'll be able to make a stab at some more All Irelands in the next few years.

Twisted_Menace (Kerry) - Posts: 113 - 04/08/2010 13:22:53    735516

kerryhurling
County: Kerry
Posts: 273

I agree with you there iv never been a fan of Donaghy. Saturday really showed his a one trick pony and has no football in him at all. Alot of people in Kerry think he should be Kerry captain because hes a great leader but Saturday when Kerry needed someone to stand up and be counted he was no were to be seen.

This is absolutely correct. A prime example on Saturday was on one occasion Down turned Kerry over in the first half in the corner in front of the Hill, Cusack side. Down made three passes and the Down LHB got the ball. Donaghy chased him for about 5 yards and stopped, whilst the Gooch, who can lay claim to being a great footballer motored past Donaghy to try and win the ball back. A very small incident with a very telling outcome.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 04/08/2010 13:33:25    735544

Overrated?? Not down here anyway.

We all know that 6 great all star winning footballers were missing this year, Daragh O'Se, Tadgh Kennelly, Tommy Walsh, Tomas O'Se, Diarmuid Murphy and Paul Galvin. None of these can be overrated really. They were & are mighty footballers. If someone wants to say different well then I won't be replying.

In the starting 15 the last day you had Gooch, Declan O'Sullivan, Marc O'Se, Mike Mac, and Tom O'Sullivan. They have all been great players and the majority would say they could never really be overrated either. People are mentioning Tom Sullivan on here and maybe he is the one you could argue about.

You've then got a few good strong solid players like Griffin who is really a very good midfielder rather than a full back, Scanlon, a workhorse with an honesty of effort, Killian Young who has potential and Donaghy who is a reasonable footballer. Maybe Donaghy is overrated by some people but not by me anyway.

So there you go, last year you had those 15 players. A fantastic team or panel.

What you had the last day against Down though, was a middle 8 that at one stage in the second half consisted of Aidan O'Mahoney, Michael Quirke, Darran O'Sullivan, Donncha Walsh and Brian Sheehan. Now this is where you're supposed to win possession and get good low or high ball into your full forward line (at least that's the way Kerry have played their middle 8 for the last 40 years). Well.........I'll tell you.........."OVER RATED"........no way.........anybody who rates Aidan O Mahoney, the 'hard soft man' hasn't a clue. He is incredibly lazy when in possession, has lost a yard or two, has a terribly sulky temerpament and in my book was never rated. He was joined by Michael Quirke. Now any team that has M Quirke 'the athlete' starting at Midfield cannot be great. That's for certain. If he'ld been brought on earlier in 2008 then maybe he might have made an impact but that's all he is - an impact sub. Darran Sullivan, our 5' 7" speedster is mighty when he has Tomas/Darragh and Galvin feeding him but you wouldn't want to be counting on him to win any nasty ball. Donncha is average and couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag eventhough he managed to stupidly get himself sent off the last day for aggressive behaviour??!!!??. As for Brian Sheehan, well starting him on the wing against tyrone was a massive mistake that I felt before the game might cost us that day and my view hasn't changed. Why he was moved out onto the 40 when he has no more aggression than the lovely willow stood out the back of my garden, I'll never know. He is fine in the corner and that's all.

Now add to those 5 the great but ageing Mike Mac, the potentially great footballer Killian Young and the workorse Seamus Scanlon and how on earth are you supposed to win a game of football.

Then you've got a Keeper who's seriously dodgy under the high ball and a midfielder for a full back and sure where are you going?

The only think is that with people like the Gooch, O'Sullivan and Marc O'Se you never know.

Congrats to Down. Full deserved. But I have to say, I'm a bit relieved. It's been a rollercoaster over the last 10 years and I need a break, my pocket needs a break, the Kerry players need a break and the All ireland needs a break from us. It's time for Kerry to draw their breath and take a look at what we've got. 5 or 6 great players yes. 3 different schools providing 4 Hogan Cup finalists in the last 4 years. An U21 winning side from 3 years ago and some decent enough guys like Moran, Maher, Bohane and the 2 Barry Johns coming through. For me, it's time to strip away the dead wood which (didn't happen in '89, '90), give these young guys and the even younger fella's from the schools and minors a chance and some confidence and start quickly with a new team which will still have Gooch, DO'S, MO'S, TO's and PG for a few years to show them how things are done.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 04/08/2010 14:23:28    735695

I know he retired, but what's the story with Eoin Brosnan? Would he be worth getting out of retirement? Still fairly young if I'm not mistaken.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12452 - 04/08/2010 14:34:45    735717

Possibly but he thoiugh he was God Allmighty, didn't want to put the effort in and was basically shown the door. It would be upto him I'd say and I would welcome him back. there's also Ambrose O'Donovan's son who playes with brosnan, o'leary and the gooch at Crokes and he's a fantastic midfielder. Probably got his chance and was up to the job either though.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 04/08/2010 14:39:31    735724

Brosnan if definitely not coming back. Packed his bags and cleared off after the defeat to Cork last year when the training intensified.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9013 - 04/08/2010 14:41:35    735725

Or Sean O'Sullivan and Mike Frank for that matter!!! At this rate, if all the players tipped for retirement, do retire, I'd say you could have a better team of players not playing for Kerry than the Senior panel!! (Not a dig at the current panel btw just a reflection of the talent that has been around the the Kerry panel of the last 10 years.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12452 - 04/08/2010 14:45:11    735739

I wouldn't be too bothered if Kerry players are over-rated or not. They have their Provincial, All-Ireland and All-stars to prove their worth. Also they have gone out and treated the league with respect and competed very well in the league over the last few years.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9013 - 04/08/2010 15:01:53    735766

redandgreen - i'm wondering what exactly is ur gripe from your own thread you admit that kerry have roughly 4 players that you would class as stars.how many players do you think on any county team are truely stars most are average with the exception of 1 or 2 so kerry are well ahead. winning the all-ireland is the most important thing in kerry....... remember its a team sport regardless how many so called stars are on a team

kitsy (Kerry) - Posts: 16 - 04/08/2010 17:17:51    735995

thykingdomcome - great post. And you've called out a few truths that needed to be told.

As for Ambrose Jr. - not sure if he'd be good enough to make the step up - he's at least 26/27 by now.

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 04/08/2010 18:23:15    736083

kitsy
County: Kerry

redandgreen - i'm wondering what exactly is ur gripe from your own thread you admit that kerry have roughly 4 players that you would class as stars.how many players do you think on any county team are truely stars most are average with the exception of 1 or 2 so kerry are well ahead. winning the all-ireland is the most important thing in kerry....... remember its a team sport regardless how many so called stars are on a team

No gripe whatsoever kitsy. I agree with everything you ve said here. My point was just that even an average player on the kerry team tends to be considered great just because he's from kerry. That's all. Thought i made it clear enough but most people dont seem to have gotten it. Ah well

redandgreen (None) - Posts: 691 - 04/08/2010 18:47:32    736116

kerrykerry
County: Kerry

maybe you need to be less ambigious and clearly state what you mean

Sorry kerrykerry. I should have explained. Just read the title of the thread and then the first 3 sentences. Thats' exactly what i meant. Should ve made that clearer, my mistake

redandgreen (None) - Posts: 691 - 04/08/2010 18:50:18    736127

I'm not sure you can catogorise the retired or the overseas ones as missing but Galvin and O'Se and I've stated my displeasure at Galvin's OTT Suspension.


If galvin was playing Kerry may have won the AI

I don't know anyone who over rated any of the players

ochonlir (Cavan) - Posts: 4343 - 04/08/2010 19:03:54    736152

Would have to agree here. Tom O'sullivan etc. aren't great shakes, but kerry do ahve some genuine great players... Kerry's greatest weapon is the fear other teams have for them and that wasnt there on sunday...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 04/08/2010 19:04:55    736153

kerry have the most talented players in the country.they lost 5 players from last year and if 2 were not suspended for last sunday it might have been a different story.tyrone have beaten kerry in the last three championship meetings because they play more as a team and have the best manager in the country.

jimcouch (Galway) - Posts: 47 - 04/08/2010 19:26:15    736176

Kerry's demise this time was due to complancency not lack of skill as the team itself remains largely the same and still have the capability of bringing the Sam Maguite Cup back to the Kingdom.

gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 807 - 04/08/2010 20:04:43    736229

Kerry need to go back to playing their own football and stop worrying about tyrone etc. The likes of Quirke and scanlon aren't the type of kerry players weve all admired over the years...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 04/08/2010 20:14:10    736241

I don't think your doing Tyrone any justice there Hokey Pokey by calling the likes of Quirke a Tyrone-esque type of player.

As for scanlon he's had some very good seasons and has always been a noticible force in inter club competitions down here.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 04/08/2010 20:21:18    736256

The thread asks if the [players are over rated.

Gooch and Donaghy are two of the best 5 fowards in Ireland. Donaghy is possibly the best mid fielder as well.

So those two are certainly NOT over rated.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/08/2010 20:22:12    736259