Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5325
do you think any rapist should ever be released

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 20:19:59    726309

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 651

Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes, preferring instead to blame the government for their actions. The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient.

So you don't agree with human rights?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 27/07/2010 20:34:29    726337

dhorse,

Had a discussion on that same subject in the pub a few weeks ago and we also included paedophiles !! A psychologist told us that some rapists can be rehabilitated and released back into society safely. She had her doubts about Paedos unless they were on strong medication to kill the urges. Any rapist should be strictly monitored but i have my doubts if they can be cured. Each case should be judged on its own merits but i think both would still be dangerous. can't say i would like to have either living near me or near a school. Very hard subject to decide on unless you know the ins and outs of it. I met a doctor once who worked with paedos and rapists and he had doubts about them being cured too. One of his patients was fr Brendan Smyth and we all know he was never cured !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 20:40:07    726348

Mes Amis,

I agree with human rights too but i agree more with victims rights !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 20:42:53    726354

Dont worry Jimbodub spuds is alright :-)

jambread (Cork) - Posts: 307 - 27/07/2010 20:43:32    726356

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5332

726187
Patrique,

So in one word do you think Larry Murphy should be released, just a yes or no will do !! No need to go into a big speil !!



Personally I think the man needs help so he should not be released.

But rather than advocate disemboweling, hanging, and such, I did share the secret with ye all a few months ago.

A MORE EQUAL society eliminates most of these crimes. Not all, but it really does make a difference.

So Mr Murphy needs to be in some sort of progressive hospital.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 20:47:49    726367

slasher.thats what i been trying to say , i think the feelings of the criminials are taking into consideration more than the victims.
it is clear in what people are saying on here , these type of crimes like mr.larry , he should be desposed of effect full stop.
that s justice and the proper order of dealing with monsters like that.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 20:48:10    726369

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5334

726348 dhorse,

Had a discussion on that same subject in the pub a few weeks ago and we also included paedophiles !! A psychologist told us that some rapists can be rehabilitated and released back into society safely. She had her doubts about Paedos unless they were on strong medication to kill the urges. Any rapist should be strictly monitored but i have my doubts if they can be cured. Each case should be judged on its own merits ...

If they're hung, when do we discuss the merits

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 20:59:27    726388

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2136

726369 slasher.thats what i been trying to say , i think the feelings of the criminials are taking into consideration more than the victims.
it is clear in what people are saying on here , these type of crimes like mr.larry , he should be desposed of effect full stop.
that s justice and the proper order of dealing with monsters like that.

Is it only rapists only you want desposed of? what about murder?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 21:01:03    726391

dhorse,

We discuss it shortly before they're hung !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 21:05:33    726399

dhorse.
what i am saying paedos rapists , are people who cannot be rehibilitated .. so despose..OF.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 21:08:26    726404

Patrique,

So you agree that Larry Murphy should not be released !! Thats how i feel too !!

P.S. Society had nothing to do with Larry's crimes !! He lacked for nothing and had a good up-bringing. Also he would not co-operate with anyone so hospital would not be able to help him as he would refuse help. Some lads are just bad !! Would you feel the same if someone close to you was his victim and you knew how they suffered before they were murdered, because i often thought of that, and God forbid it would happen to anyone belonging to any of us !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 21:23:25    726428

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 1416

Its not that I dont think people should have rights, its when you cross the line and cause harm to others that you should automatically be stripped of all rights. Peoples rights in this country are standing in the way of justice. And justice for victims is more important than rights for criminals.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 27/07/2010 21:37:06    726460

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 651

Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes, preferring instead to blame the government for their actions. The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient.





No, the VICTIMS should blame the society, whether that be the Government, or fascists such as your good self.

And punishment has NEVER been a deterrent.

The gaols and camps in N.Ireland were jammed during the troubles. The punishment did not deter anyone.

And do not confuse justice with revenge. You are saying that because Jimmy killed someone we should kill Jimmy?

To me that sends the message that killing is ok. Jimmy probably killed someone because he thought they DESERVED it. We then kill Jimmy because we think he deserves it.

Going to be a great society that.

Be like the USA.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 21:50:04    726489

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5338

726428
Patrique,

So you agree that Larry Murphy should not be released !! Thats how i feel too !!

P.S. Society had nothing to do with Larry's crimes !! He lacked for nothing and had a good up-bringing.



Was he from Ireland?


That country has massive sexual hang ups due to the influence of the Catholic Church. Material wealth has nothing to do with sex crimes.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 21:51:39    726496

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 651

Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes, preferring instead to blame the government for their actions. The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient.



Forgot to say, the deterrent f Capital Punishment works well in the uSA, doesn't it?

Must have the highest murder rate in the world.

Need to think of something else.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 21:52:59    726502

So now Larry Murphy can transfer his guilt to the Catholic Church !! Does that mean that the C.C. is responsible for ALL the sex crimes in Ireland. Now they are bad Pat but you are stretching it a bit far with that. I would love to see that argument put forward in court !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 22:00:11    726521

The highest murder rates are not USA.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 28/07/2010 11:13:46    726710

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 325

726710 The highest murder rates are not USA.

In the developed world only Russia and South Africe have a higher rate and the latter's borderline anyway since their per capita GDP ranks 'em 73rd.

Pedrito (Dublin) - Posts: 1111 - 28/07/2010 12:09:15    726803

cavan slasher. My cave 'jibe.' Mainly meant in jest but i believe that cavan/monaghan and donegal were the only two constituencies which voted to keep captial punishment a few years ago. Now you respond to my earlier comments on rehabilitation. What do you do to make society fairer and prevent young offenders??

I don't like to tell anyone not to voice their opinion but i'm borderline with you. The things your coming out with either make no sense or are totally wrong. "victim's rights" are a total misnomer. They have no rights. They have procedural guarantees, that's it. The criminal justice system is set up to try someone on behalf of society, not on behalf of the victim (except for the fact that they're a tiny part of that society).
You espouse the very same ideals as a right wing liúdar like maggie thatcher. I stand by that statement.

If this murphy character has, in the eyes of the law, served his time in prison then he is due for gradual release. That's how society works in the world i live in. If you don't like it then move to mauritania where he'd be stoned to death. You can start a gaa team there. Mauritanian gaels.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 28/07/2010 12:21:09    726818