ahh yes huntley there is another one for elimination.. jail is to good.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 14:23:55    725479

rhodejim

my opinions exactly

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 27/07/2010 14:24:06    725480

Rhodejim
County: Offaly
Posts: 2018

725467 Jon Venables should never be released again. that case is the worst case iv ever heard.
Larry Murphy should never be realeased.
Ian Huntly should be made break stones fom 6 till 6 everyday. then beaten for an hour, every hour, on the hour.

Some crimes deserve the strictest punishment ever. But death would be too good for some people


Hysterical nonesense. Irish people can be really irrational at times, it's embarrasing. Above is what's really wrong with this country, right-wing nutjobs - that's what creates an environment where phsychopaths thrive. The worst thing about it is using the thread as a tool to forward their nazi-cause, rather than sympathise with the victim's and their concerns. As another poster quite rightly pointed out this country is years behind in the field of rehabilitation and that's why there's a threat.
Disgusting really! Ireland once had the most forward thinking laws in Europe - one of the first to shun capital punishment, and now these idiots want to bring it back for "certain cases".......

Pedrito (Dublin) - Posts: 1111 - 27/07/2010 14:42:36    725526

pedrito.dublin.
ok , u tell me what has worked so far and what would your deterrent be , and also think what would it be like to be a related to a victim of such crimes?

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 14:49:43    725543

Pedrito
County: Dublin
Posts: 274

725526 Rhodejim
County: Offaly
Posts: 2018

725467 Jon Venables should never be released again. that case is the worst case iv ever heard.
Larry Murphy should never be realeased.
Ian Huntly should be made break stones fom 6 till 6 everyday. then beaten for an hour, every hour, on the hour.

Some crimes deserve the strictest punishment ever. But death would be too good for some people


Hysterical nonesense. Irish people can be really irrational at times, it's embarrasing. Above is what's really wrong with this country, right-wing nutjobs - that's what creates an environment where phsychopaths thrive. The worst thing about it is using the thread as a tool to forward their nazi-cause, rather than sympathise with the victim's and their concerns. As another poster quite rightly pointed out this country is years behind in the field of rehabilitation and that's why there's a threat.
Disgusting really! Ireland once had the most forward thinking laws in Europe - one of the first to shun capital punishment, and now these idiots want to bring it back for "certain cases".......

It is in operation in ireland, mainly used by drug dealers and paramilitaries to control the communities they operate in.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 15:00:40    725579

Hysterical nonesense.

Are you for real? imaging my family , especially younger members of it, living near Ian Huntly or jon venables makes me sick. hate to imagine my girlfriend leaving work and being abduceted by Larry Murphy. He wouldnt have made it up the step of the court , and id say im not the only one who thinks that way either>
??
jon venables is a REPEAT offender, Larry Murphy , in all likely hood, is a REPEAT offender (his brother thinks so anyway).
You go ahead and give them all the therapy you want, then you can give them a job babysitting or in the the school where your family goes.



Oh and while your at it make sure all non nationals are catered for before Irish people in the post office aswell.

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 27/07/2010 15:02:16    725589

dhorse.
could u tell me honestly what your thoughts are on bringing about justice and future protection of victims.
i mean i for one detest drugs to the highest degree , and paramilitary groups are not the issue here in all fairness.
so what would your deterrent be , and how do we deal these monsters , because clearly the justice and courts do not have the victims best interests at heart it would seem would u not agree .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 15:08:25    725605

Rhodejim
County: Offaly
Posts: 2019



Oh and while your at it make sure all non nationals are catered for before Irish people in the post office aswell.



That's baffled the bejayzez outta me!!!!! What've I got to do with non-nationals and/or Post offices? I didn't even know they had catering in post offices....
Seriously what do you mean???? What's your gripe with An Post, and their catering service????? I haven't been inside a post office this mellenia, I don't think...... Your hysteria knows no bounds sir, but it is at least amusing.

Pedrito (Dublin) - Posts: 1111 - 27/07/2010 15:24:27    725659

well i just thought if your doing so many good deeds like wanting my tax money to help rapists and murderer's you and your hippy loving friends could make sure that more of my tax money goes to people born outside of Ireland.
You are one of those do-gooders who see's the good in everyone and that little old ireland should foot the bill for them? or am i wrong?

this is a fairly serious thread,and im giving my honest opinion on how i feel about "certain cases" , so if your going to belittle and make a sneer at my honest sentiments , try do it somewhere else. Instead of
"Hysterical nonesense. Irish people can be really irrational at times, it's embarrasing. Above is what's really wrong with this country, right-wing nutjobs - that's what creates an environment where phsychopaths thrive. The worst thing about it is using the thread as a tool to forward their nazi-cause, rather than sympathise with the victim's and their concerns. As another poster quite rightly pointed out this country is years behind in the field of rehabilitation and that's why there's a threat.
Disgusting really! Ireland once had the most forward thinking laws in Europe - one of the first to shun capital punishment, and now these idiots want to bring it back for "certain cases".......
maybe try give your opinion on what should be done with these monsters. most posters have.

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 27/07/2010 15:37:33    725698

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2132

725543 pedrito.dublin.
ok , u tell me what has worked so far and what would your deterrent be , and also think what would it be like to be a related to a victim of such crimes?

No such thing as a deterrent really, unless you can address a phsychopathic personality before it manifests into crime. If there was a rehabilitation process, then Murphy would still be undergoing it and not being re-introduced into society. Again regard Denmark's low recidivism rates.

We shouldn't be looking for deterrents anyway rather preventions, address social issues, don't accept people will deffinately commit offences so lets just scare 'em out of it, i.e. the US.

A lock 'em up and throw away the key mentality and/or capital punishment only makes desperados out of criminals and turns say a casual armed robber into a murderer for fear of being caught, it's a quick fix that does more bad than good.

Society caused venables to offend in the first place and prison to caused him to re-offend and even the most hardline among you wouldn't have executed him at the time, not at 12, so it's not a valid reference and Huntley will never see the light of day again anyway.

Pedrito (Dublin) - Posts: 1111 - 27/07/2010 15:38:25    725701

Pedrito
County: Dublin
Posts: 278


Hysterical nonesense. Irish people can be really irrational at times, it's embarrasing. Above is what's really wrong with this country, right-wing nutjobs - that's what creates an environment where phsychopaths thrive. The worst thing about it is using the thread as a tool to forward their nazi-cause, rather than sympathise with the victim's and their concerns. As another poster quite rightly pointed out this country is years behind in the field of rehabilitation and that's why there's a threat.
Disgusting really! Ireland once had the most forward thinking laws in Europe - one of the first to shun capital punishment, and now these idiots want to bring it back for "certain cases".......

Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes, preferring instead to blame the government for their actions. The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 27/07/2010 15:57:38    725760

Pedrito
County: Dublin
Posts: 278

No such thing as a deterrent really, unless you can address a phsychopathic personality before it manifests into crime. If there was a rehabilitation process, then Murphy would still be undergoing it and not being re-introduced into society. Again regard Denmark's low recidivism rates.

We shouldn't be looking for deterrents anyway rather preventions, address social issues, don't accept people will deffinately commit offences so lets just scare 'em out of it, i.e. the US.

A lock 'em up and throw away the key mentality and/or capital punishment only makes desperados out of criminals and turns say a casual armed robber into a murderer for fear of being caught, it's a quick fix that does more bad than good.

Society caused venables to offend in the first place and prison to caused him to re-offend and even the most hardline among you wouldn't have executed him at the time, not at 12, so it's not a valid reference and Huntley will never see the light of day again anyway.

at the risk of my last message (at time of writing this it hasnt been displayed yet) contradicting your post here , ill spake now. I might have got a little angry writing it. and this post here by yourself is accurate enough in that i agree to an extent in what your saying. i dont however believe that society caused venables to offend and prison caused him to reoffend.if thats that case,he should be given the death penalty or locked up forever because he's going back to prison for another two years.and by your reckoning he will reoffend cos thats what prison does to people??what dya say to that?

again il apologise of my rants in my last message, i just didnt think you were offering anything to the discussion.dont hold it agin me.sorry.

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 27/07/2010 16:00:49    725772

Rhodejim
County: Offaly
Posts: 2021

Jim your ranting

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 16:36:03    725853

I know, very sorry.got a little wound up there.

Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 651

Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes, preferring instead to blame the government for their actions. The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient.

i agree with the scruffy lad.

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 27/07/2010 16:41:42    725864

Rhodejim
County: Offaly
Posts: 2024

725864 I know, very sorry.got a little wound up there.



That's ok boss, Remember we're all family here, to listen and maybe talk things through. Whats atin ya atall, is the turf still out, is there scab on your apples or girl trouble perhaps. Maybe a few scoops and a game of pool in Rahugh might calm your demons

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 17:02:43    725924

Are you for real? imaging my family , especially younger members of it, living near Ian Huntly or jon venables makes me sick. hate to imagine my girlfriend leaving work and being abduceted by Larry Murphy.

Very constructive input from jim there. What exactly is the point in saying that you hate to imagine your gf being abducted?? My advise is to stop imagining it.

I've worked with many people who are in and out of jail. Not talking about psychopaths like murphy, just the ordinary offender. The main reason it happens is because society let them and their community down. If you want to help irish people so badly jim then spend an evening a week tutoring kids from cork street in dublin where they step over needles on their way to school. Rehabilitation is a must for these people, many of whom are in jail for minor enough offences.

As for the larry murphys and ian huntleys of this world. It's not "left wing nut jobs'" fault. These people are obviously deranged and very sick. Killing them is not the answer but they need to be kept in prison and helped to make them human and be sorry for their terrible crimes.

Beating and death penalty are for horrible countries. I don't have a problem with labour as punishment though.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 27/07/2010 17:10:33    725948

"Clearly, people who sympathise with the plight of criminals have a serious problem. In effect what people like you are doing is turning a blind eye to the crimes these people committ, you are refusing to acknowledge that people have done wrong by committing crimes"


At what point has anyone in this thread done any of these things? Just because I don't spend my leisure time dreaming up what awful things I'd do in a locked room to Ian Huntley with a hammer does not for one minute mean I 'sympathise' with him.


"The problem with human rights lovers is that they view EVERYONE as being the same, born equal, only that some are lost to the unequal society. Why dont you tell the relatives of victims who have been murdered "we're sorry but I think we should try and reconcile with your sons killer". Where is the justice? Criminals dont deserve a second chance, we have laws and if they're broken they know the consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences are extremely lenient."


Define 'justice'? The only real justice would be the crime not being committed in the first place, but given that it has and that cannot be changed whatever you do, the priority should be doing what is best for society in terms of providing a deterrent to others and preventing re-offending by the perpetrator. (And the death penalty is not a deterrent. Not a deterrent. I have a feeling I'm going to have to repeat this a few times more on here).

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 27/07/2010 17:23:41    725978

Brolly
County: Monaghan
Posts: 1605

724714
Imagine he was living next door to u - he will be to somebody. Id say you'd sleep well.



I have had a lot worse living literally next door to me, certainly in the number of deaths caused by that person.

However what matters is why? this is a dangerous man, what does a civilised society do with him.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 18:59:28    726132

26/07/2010 21:41:24
Scruffy2Donut
County: Cavan
Posts: 651

724798
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5320

Its time for a debate at national level for the introduction of the death penalty. Its highly supported in Britain,



No, it is not. The odd reader of the Sun might think he supports it, but at the ballot box, no. About 10% last time they had a referendum because Britain has a proud history of being liberal.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 27/07/2010 19:01:43    726135

Patrique,

So in one word do you think Larry Murphy should be released, just a yes or no will do !! No need to go into a big speil !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 27/07/2010 19:31:50    726187