Scruffy2Donut

Wasn't having a go by the way!! Just don't like pigeon holing people as it takes from a healthy debate.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 26/07/2010 18:08:37    724379

Good man Patrique !! Can you take him up to stay with you as the break might be good for him the poor lad. It is for lads like Larry that i want to keep the Death Penalty. What about the poor innocent girl that he abducted, abused in every way, bound and gagged and stuffed into the boot of his car and was told by him that he was off to dig her grave. Only for the miracle of two hunters coming on him he would have killed her, and you're sorry for the way he was treated.
Now i do have sympathy for most of the people in prison and have had disagreements (particularly with Liamwalkinstown) over their general treatment but Larry Murphy is a case apart !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/07/2010 18:11:19    724388

I have a soft spot for Larry, its a bog hole over in Monaghan !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/07/2010 18:25:48    724426

keep the death penalty?? we abolished it. thank god. the first sign of a bad society.

good man. only in cavan.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 26/07/2010 18:45:15    724460

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 5317

724388
Good man Patrique !! Can you take him up to stay with you as the break might be good for him the poor lad. It is for lads like Larry that i want to keep the Death Penalty.



I am sure the Birmingham Six and Guildford 4 will support your call for the death penalty.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 26/07/2010 19:31:05    724534

Because the criminal justice system stinks to high heaven. For those offenders who desperately seek help and the chance of redemption, there is little or no opportunities to do so, for the most dangerous in society there are no gaols secure enough and no judges bold enough to keep them behind bars until such time as they can be deemed no longer a danger to the public.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 26/07/2010 19:42:26    724556

No worry Jimbodub i will Henikien or Carlsberg or Bulmers or everything in Carry Out!!!!! :-)

jambread (Cork) - Posts: 307 - 26/07/2010 19:52:04    724571

Like others on this thread I have read about this guy and am totally repulsed by him. I wish he had got life meaning life for what he did. However he didn't he was convicted on a particular crime and even if there are strong suspicions he might have done other more serious crimes we cannot assume he did them. I am in principle opposed to the death penalty and am certainly opposed to anyone taking the law into their own hands and "getting him" after his release. He should be tagged and monitored for life but I doubt if they can even do that now. He will have to be monitored and if he evens pee's in public I'd lock him up.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 26/07/2010 19:58:07    724585

How can he be getting out early for good behaviour if he has refused rehabilitation? surely that should be compulsory for all inmates. he should have got life in jail. he would have killed her only the hunters intervened

patmcgee (Longford) - Posts: 520 - 26/07/2010 19:58:46    724588

Patrique and hurlingspuds,

This man was caught red-handed. The Birmingham 6 etc were not. I have no doubt that he will kill again. No compassion, no empathy and very deeply disturbed and as the original poster stated not willing to accept treatment or attend any programme for help. He is also very cunning.
Also hurlingspuds what does your statement "only in Cavan" mean or have to do with the subject ? I could mention several things that happened in the last number of years and say "only in Cork" but i won't !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 26/07/2010 20:22:19    724636

Imagine he was living next door to u - he will be to somebody. Id say you'd sleep well.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 26/07/2010 21:01:03    724714

Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
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Its time for a debate at national level for the introduction of the death penalty. Its highly supported in Britain, and I believe that if it was put to the people in the form of a referendum, it would be backed. The Irish people deserve justice for the loss of their loved ones to mindless criminals, there is no way a second chance should be offered to some un-repentant murderer.

Scruffy2Donut (Cavan) - Posts: 1112 - 26/07/2010 21:41:24    724798

the death penalty is also murder in my books cavan. We like to think of ourselves as civilised. It's this kind of thing that makes us otherwise.

And you're wrong. such a referendum would be blown out of the water and the people who proposed it, their political careers would be kaput and rightly so. I have more faith in the irish people than that.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 27/07/2010 12:33:42    725228

jambread
County: Cork
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724571 No worry Jimbodub i will Henikien or Carlsberg or Bulmers or everything in Carry Out!!!!! :-)

That all sound good apart from the Bulmers...

I put myself off all forms of cider after my teenage years!

Throw in a bottle of Grey Goose and a bottle of Captain Morgan... and that will polish the night off rather nicely...

I'll supply the snacks... Spuds alright for you?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 27/07/2010 12:51:17    725254

ta32 - there's one tiny flaw in your 'permanent rehabiliation' scheme, and that's the question of what happens to the numerous innocent people wrongly convicted of the crimes you propose introducing vigilante gangs to deal with.

'd.n.a. and everything else' isn't foolproof, and I hardly need remind the people of this messageboard what police forces are prepared to do get the convictions the public are crying out for.

How about this ta: we bring back the death penalty on the following terms:
1. executions would only be carried out if and when a death penalty advocate volunteered to carry out the execution
2. if evidence was later discovered that proved the innocence of a person who had been executed, the person who performed the execution would themselves be tried for murder and the prosecution would request the death penalty for them.

(It'll be part of my justice manifesto and I rise to power and declare myself Il Presidente)

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 27/07/2010 13:16:18    725296

wereangelsplay.
just one question for u is this murphy boyo innocent?
or a second question , what about john venables?

there s two who would qualify for elimination .... no questions asked.

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 27/07/2010 13:27:13    725321

I disagree with the death penalty......because it's too easy for them. These people should be made to break stones from morning to evening

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 27/07/2010 13:33:54    725340

"wereangelsplay.
just one question for u is this murphy boyo innocent?
or a second question , what about john venables?"

Of course they weren't innocent. They were convicted in a court and there's hardly been a shred evidence to cast doubt on that.

Trouble is, you'd probably have had Barry George (or Stefan Kizsko if we're going back a bit) on your goon-squad hitlist as well once upon a time. So answer my question now, how does your scheme deal with acquittals?

whereangelsplay (Cork) - Posts: 240 - 27/07/2010 13:55:10    725396

whereangelsplay
County: Cork
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725396 "wereangelsplay.
just one question for u is this murphy boyo innocent?
or a second question , what about john venables?"

Of course they weren't innocent. They were convicted in a court and there's hardly been a shred evidence to cast doubt on that.

Trouble is, you'd probably have had Barry George (or Stefan Kizsko if we're going back a bit) on your goon-squad hitlist as well once upon a time. So answer my question now, how does your scheme deal with acquittals?

They could always come out a few years later and express their regrets that it happened but it was forced on them by the times they lived in.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 27/07/2010 14:00:18    725412

Jon Venables should never be released again. that case is the worst case iv ever heard.
Larry Murphy should never be realeased.
Ian Huntly should be made break stones fom 6 till 6 everyday. then beaten for an hour, every hour, on the hour.

Some crimes deserve the strictest punishment ever. But death would be too good for some people

Rhodejim (Offaly) - Posts: 2888 - 27/07/2010 14:19:07    725467