snuffy,theres no need to get uptight because i let your big secret out of the bag,yes i heard the old emmet dalton one before but thats nonsense,and by the way,i never stated that a man from tipperary was wandering through the west cork hillside,if you knew as much about the civil war as you think you do you would know two things,one is that sonny o neill was a fearless volunteer who played a huge part in the civil war for the irregulars and secondly that as the free state army took control of the country bit by bit the volunteers headed for cork which was the last stronghold for the ira,that my friend is why sonny o neill happened to be in cork where he met up with the local volunteers in bandon...and if collins was going to be shot by one of his own jock mc peake the ex british army officer who was in charge of the armoured turret would have been the man to do it,by the way i dont appreciate being called a numpty,whatever that is.i answered your post i didnt come on this site to insult you if you cant have open debate without being nasty,whats the point...ard mhacha abu

orchardman (Armagh) - Posts: 158 - 05/08/2008 22:19:34    66256

Snuffy - are you in bed or is your Google frozen - it's been a while for an answer to a genuine question, born out of curiosity. My answer to the 1 that I know in 5 minutes - there are probably a few.

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 745 - 05/08/2008 22:56:37    66282

For history's sake I think this one takes beating - Who was the only man ever to raise a Senior Provincial trophy JOINTLY 67 years after he had done it indivually. Obviously the answer is with the poster's location but go on.

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 745 - 05/08/2008 23:29:27    66296

Patrick and Brian Lenihan 1965sh. LD,WH,/ RN,LM areas

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 745 - 05/08/2008 23:39:15    66304

Snuffy Man even the great warriors take a break. Can this thread not be moved to the front page? I may not be your biggest fan but you are posting some great stuff from outside the Pale.Be bold on Friday and raise the hare "THE BEST PERSON TO CARRY THE GREEN GANSEY(JERSEY) OF ALL TIME? I have the w/end off and at 60 will fight one individual cause (modern).

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 745 - 05/08/2008 23:53:21    66316

Jeeze it was the Leitrim captain of 1927 lifting the Nestor with the 1994 captain - Gannon was the '27 man (since dead RIP) - having trouble recalling the '94 man but think it was Declan D'arcy??

JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 06/08/2008 00:37:21    66342

Dev and Vivion were in the Dail at the same time, I think. And Dublin can lay as much claim to Yeats as they can to de Valera. He spent most of his time there, yes, but out of necessity and occupation.

St.K (Cork) - Posts: 210 - 06/08/2008 01:02:14    66348

orchardman
Relax lad im only havin a jibe at ya!
Welcome to the thread and thanks for the info.
Delighted posters like you are coming to my thread and putting up their knowledge.
I dont know everything....far from it, and always welcome the brain fillers and 'ones to think about'!
I do know who shot Collins though. You could count on one hand how many people do, but its a bit like the 'Fourth' Secret of Fatima!
Keep posting orchardman!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 06/08/2008 10:33:46    66443

Boxtyeater,
Thanks for the posts and the info.
Couldnt answer you at that hour last night, dosing on the net is for during work hours only!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 06/08/2008 10:39:52    66456

paddym123

Sorry paddy but JS?...cant put a name to the initials!!
Oh well, continue to enjoy your visits to Lucan, one of Irelands most beautiful villages!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 06/08/2008 10:43:33    66460

Yep J.S and B.S....Are ya lost?

paddym123 (Meath) - Posts: 367 - 06/08/2008 11:24:24    66507

Liam and WT Cosgrave were in the Dail at the same time, according to the Oracle of Dad, as well as Costello and his son.

St.K (Cork) - Posts: 210 - 06/08/2008 15:17:38    66837

On the subject of John A. Costello, he holds the unique distinction of being elected Toisaeach in two coalition Governments ('48-'51 and '54-'57) despite not being the leader of his party (FG). Richard Mulcahy, leader of FG, was not acceptable to one of the coalition partners (Clann na Poblachta) so Costello was the compromise candidate. So there yis are!

JayoCluxton (Dublin) - Posts: 2688 - 06/08/2008 15:55:19    66908

well snuffy,orchardman here ,i have to say i havent enjoyed reading anything as good as this history corner in a long time,kep it up and well done,heres a little ditty that might interest some of your gaa fans,its the story of how armagh came to wear the orange jerseys i promise its actually true.........it all began with the louth fotballers,as you all know louth wear a red jersey.well there was a convent in omeath in county louth where the nuns used to make the jerseys for louth,they made one set in particular and gave it to the team louth wore the jersey and when they had them washed the kit faded due to the material they were made from,anyhow louth took them back to the nuns and had a new set made,up until 1919 armagh wore the same jersey as kilkenny and crossmaglen wear now,a black and amber striped top,one one occasion something or other hapened,but to cut a long story short,someone suggested that the nuns in omeath would probably have a spare kit.someone went to the convent and the nuns gave them the kit that had faded from red to orange,the rest as they say is history......ard mhacha abu

orchardman (Armagh) - Posts: 158 - 06/08/2008 21:07:44    67188

orchardman
Nice one! Check out my thread on page 3 on myths and legends. Your fello county man Dessie from Cross has posted that story. Its a nice one alright!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 07/08/2008 09:33:03    67424

I came across a great story when I was in Australia about a Laois man called Peter Lalor.
The story was of the 'Eureka Rebellion' also known as the 'Eureka Stockade' and it took place in the goldfields around Ballarat, Victoria. I decided to visit the site while I was there.

Story goes like this:
The gold 'diggers' had to pay a licence fee as a tax regardless of whether they struck gold or not and hence some of the less successful ones were pretty badly off. The majority of these were Irish lads. The soldiers were pretty heavy handed in collecting the taxes. After a lot of injustices the whole thing came to a head and the 'diggers' organised themselves and decided to burn their mining licences after attending a meeting.

At this meeting a flag was unveiled called the 'Southern Cross' flag or 'Eureka Flag'. The flag is blue and has a white cross in it (not touching the sides) and each of the points of the cross and the intersection has a white star! (Interestingly many Australians have adopted this flag as the 'alternative' Australian flag!).

On 30th Nov 1854 after another meeting a few hundred 'diggers' barricaded themselves into a stockade of wooden carts encircling an acre of land. The diggers took an oath on the new flag to defend the stockade with guns and pikes.
A few days later the government attacked and the battle lasted only 20 mins or so and a number of diggers died while others escaped including Lalor who lost his arm to a gunshot. Martial law was declared in the area while the authorities mopped up and a commission launched. The commission eventually conceeded to the miners and conditions became much better for them.

This was Australias only armed rebellion and the flag is now a symbol for all protestors against the government in Australia.
Lalor became an MLC for Ballarat.
The term 'digger' was adopted as the nickname for ANZAC (Australia & New Zealand Army Corp) troops.

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 07/08/2008 10:28:56    67481

snuffy,heres one for you,as a dub you ight know the answer,in the old dubliners song,weile weile waile,there is referenceto the river saile,i always thought ths was a ficticious river but was recently told it was real,its no longer visible but still runs under a famous dublin landmark,where is that landmark?........tell ya tomorrow...regards orchardman,

orchardman (Armagh) - Posts: 158 - 08/08/2008 01:14:45    68498

Thanks orchardman for the challenge but I think I know which river it is.
You say that the river is no longer seen under a Dublin landmark!....Check out my second ever post on this thread describing the river Poddle under Dublin Castle. And the word 'saile' comes from the Irish word 'salach' / 'dirty' due to the peaty colour of the water coming from the mountain origins. It formed the Dubh Linn - Black Pool. (I thought you read my posts?!).
As for what Weile Weile Waile means...I have no idea!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 08/08/2008 14:56:52    69154

Weile Weile Waile is the crying or wailing of the BeanSi

dwinkle (Longford) - Posts: 176 - 08/08/2008 15:26:58    69217

dwinkle..thanks a million!

Thanks for everything to all posters!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 08/08/2008 15:34:36    69237