Snuf - Can't wait to throw that one back at them when they slag us for being Jackeens. I presume you know how we got that nickname :(

RUBADUB (Dublin) - Posts: 477 - 17/07/2008 15:51:01    50548

Should Kildare be called the (original) Rebels then, Snuf?

They backed Lambert Simnel as a usurper to the throne 4 years before Perkin Warbeck started his carry on. Lambert Simnel was even crowned as the king, as he claimed to be the Earl of Warwick, in Christ Church Cathedral in your very own Dublin town.

The actual Earl of Warwick was still holed up in the tower of London though which rained on the parade somewhat!

Wests_Awake (Galway) - Posts: 877 - 17/07/2008 16:14:55    50581

RUBADUB

I do indeed know how we got the name!
In fact her visit to Dublin in 1900 was marked by violent protests and she had earlier fallen out with the 'Jackeens' over the refusal of Dublin Corporation to pass votes of homage to her son.
Indeed Union flags is what would happen when the Queen of England sails into 'Queenstown' and comes through D4 to the city. Same would probably happen around that area today!!
There were loyalists in South Dublin then as heavy as there are in Belfast today!....So why the surprise at the Union Jacks?!

The Queen of England arrived into 'Queenstown' Cork in 1903 and images can be seen anywhere on the net even of the flags and bunting they had out for her. Yet nobody metions that to them.
I have discussed ad nauseum on here why this is and have been slated for it and have had to apologise. People on this site know what I think of the rest of the country for never risin with us and hence to put us down in an attempt to mask their cowardice they must mock us with a put down. I always say: "Its easy to mock the ones with the courage when they fail, cos all yer doin is hidin yer own short-comings!"

Anyway, enough of that. I have made my peace on here and now my job is to educate the great unwashed in the history of Ireland.

Regards,

Snufalufagus......Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 17/07/2008 16:22:38    50586

Just a quick one!

Ever noticed a statue in a park of a military figure on a horse?

Sometimes the horse is reared up. Sometimes one leg up. Sometimes all fours on the ground.
This is not asthetic! Its for a reason......Allow Snuffy to tell....

Both front legs in the air: Rider died in Battle
One front leg in the air: Rider died as a result of wounds sustained in battle
All four legs on the ground: Rider died of natural causes

Example: William of Orange. The white horse with one front leg raised. He died of pneumonia after a injured collarbone he sustained in a battle.

There ya go!.....Impress your friends.

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 17/07/2008 16:32:17    50604

Snuf - once again another gem!

On a slightly related note, did you know that King George IV's footprints are cast in a stone on the West Pier of Howth Harbour during his visit in 1821 (cud be wrong on the date), several years later The Asgard boat off loaded it's consignment of weapons for the 1916 Easter rising ontop of the very same stone. Nice touch I like to think.
So if you are ever in need of a pee on the pier fill his boots up!

RUBADUB (Dublin) - Posts: 477 - 17/07/2008 16:45:37    50619

Just a quick one!

Ever noticed a statue in a park of a military figure on a horse?

Sometimes the horse is reared up. Sometimes one leg up. Sometimes all fours on the ground.
This is not asthetic! Its for a reason......Allow Snuffy to tell....

Both front legs in the air: Rider died in Battle
One front leg in the air: Rider died as a result of wounds sustained in battle
All four legs on the ground: Rider died of natural causes

Example: William of Orange. The white horse with one front leg raised. He died of pneumonia after a injured collarbone he sustained in a battle.

There ya go!.....Impress your friends.

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael
Snuff what if he was murdered for gambling debts, nothing to do with battle or natural causes?Would the horse just be lying down?This is important.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 17/07/2008 16:49:50    50623

"People on this site know what I think of the rest of the country for never risin with us and hence to put us down in an attempt to mask their cowardice"

Snuf - one can't help feeling that you are using this 'history corner' to evoke a smug sense of superiority over your country cousins . It's a recurring theme with you and not a good way of teasing-out 'interesting history' from posters outside the pale.

Con Cavan (Cavan) - Posts: 894 - 17/07/2008 17:03:09    50638

Northpole.
If he was stung for gambling debts then the horse would probably be riding him.....wouldnt it!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 17/07/2008 17:03:17    50639

Snuf - Another slightly related one to your Horsey story. There was a statue in Pheonix park of a soldier on a horse, like the ones you just mentioned in your post, Goff was the name of the statue. Anyway when the IRA were in the habit of blowing up statues like Nelson's Pillar etc they gave this one ago, with little success. There is an auld rhyme which explains what happened. There are strange things done from midnight to one In the hallows of pheonix park There are maidens mobbed and gentlemen robbed in the bushes after dark But the strangest of all within human recall concerns a statue named Goff Twas a terrible fact a most wicked act for his ****** they tried to blow off (it goes on) Neath the horses big ***** a dynamit stick some gallant hero did place with the cause of our land and a match in his hand bravely the foe he did face without showing fear and standing well clear he expected to blow up the pair but he nearly went crackers all he got was the knackers and he made the poor stallion a mare (and on) For his tactics were wrong the **** was too long the horse being more than a foul it would have answered him better the dynamite setter the stick shove up his own h*** (finally) For this is the way our heroes today are challenging englands might With a stab in the back and a midnight attack On a horse that can't even *****

RUBADUB (Dublin) - Posts: 477 - 17/07/2008 17:03:23    50640

Touche Snuff,touche!!

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 17/07/2008 17:12:22    50643

Con Cavan.
Not true! I have had my gripes in the past and posters to this site know full well what Snuffy thinks. I have apologised before for upsetting people but read my historical snippets. They are pure neutral.
Im about to shut down now but tune in tomorrow for some Cavan history.
Better still.......Give us a story yourself.......Contribute to my thread!
'Superiority'....come off it lad. If most of my stories are about Dublin its because I know my county well. Thats not a crime!

Regards,

Snufalufagus......Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 17/07/2008 17:15:13    50649

Snuffy re William of Orange - not a very well known fact about the Battle of the Boyne is that the Pope at that time sent troops to support William and their intervention may well have swung the battle in William's favour.

Pity a few of the 'kick the Pope' bands up North here didnt know their history a little better!!!!

Goodfella, Tir (None) - Posts: 1652 - 18/07/2008 11:20:27    51013

Ah Jeez, Goodfella thats great stuff!
Didnt know that. Thanks a million.

Yep, maybe if the first minister knew that he might have 'hould his whisht' years ago!

Incidently, did you know that the LVF leader Billy Wright was a great young Gaelic Footballer and Edward Carson was a hurler for Trinity College.

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/07/2008 11:44:47    51053

Snuffy, Do you know where the Ould Triangle of Brenda Behan fame is. I saw it three weeks ago when i took a youth group on a tour. Any clues ?

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/07/2008 11:50:06    51067

Cavan_Slasher
No bother!....This is in Mountjoy Gaol.
The ould triangle is actually the 'tag' upon which the warders used to hang their bunch of keys and the sound as they walk along went 'jingle jangle'!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/07/2008 12:05:46    51094

Snuffy, there is a massive triangle in a cage in what they call "the hub" at the centre of the axis where the five wings join. I beleve they used to ring on the triangle to call prisoners from the workshops for their meals. I recently took a youth group there on a tour. The most eerie part of the prison is the hanging room where young men like Kevin Barry went to their deaths. This place sent a shiver up my spine as it is still the same as it was back then. There is a plaque to Kevin Barry at the door.
Not a nice place to be i would say.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/07/2008 12:31:49    51140

'Well shut my mouth!'
Nice one Slasher.
Do they do tours for the public or just for group arrangements like yours?

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/07/2008 12:42:48    51160

They do tours for schools and for groups of juveniles who are on the verge of crime to try and keep them straight.

P.S. Did you read " The Clones Battle 2 on the Fermanagh site, it is inspiring and really sums up what we are all about as Gaels.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 18/07/2008 12:55:48    51180

Snuff: Carson didnt play Hurling in trinity.

He was a member of the Hurley Club (sic). It was a fore runner of the trinity hockey club. hockey derives from an english stick sport, that at that time would have probably have been between shinty and modern hockey, but not a derivative of Hurling.

a hurling club in trinity didnt form for a long time after carson left.


Saying that is like saying Aussie Rules derived from Gaelic Football. Its attractive - but just not true.

wingwonder (UK) - Posts: 535 - 18/07/2008 13:03:46    51193

Did you know that the oldest bridge in Ireland 'King Johns Bridge' is over the Griffeen River in Lucan and was built in 1210.

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/07/2008 16:36:37    51420