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original Irish?explain yourself offside:)

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 26/03/2013 13:27:10    1356596

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Did somebody from Ulster say 'original Irish' and did somebody else reply?!....oh no, here's the thread dragged into the gutter so!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 26/03/2013 13:37:24    1356604

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Gladly juniorbsub - by original 'Irish' I am speaking of those who originally inhabited and settled in what we call modern day Ireland. The oldest settlements and monuments are all found in and around North Antrim and the Glens which is my backyard. It is also said that the Irish language spoken in Ulster today is of the purest formj of the language. Added to this those from this part of the country were historically always seen as the 'most Irish part of Ireland' then if it ever came to pratition then surely this would be the part which would be held on to now wouldn't it........ ;-)

And Snuffy, thats the sort of attitude exactly which led to the most Irish part of Ireland being given away to the Brits.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 26/03/2013 13:50:53    1356627

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Marsh's library (beautiful place) beside St Patrick Cathedral in Dublin has books on display showing the bullet holes straight through them from the Easter Rising!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 26/03/2013 13:56:16    1356634

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St. Stephens Green was donated to the 'citizens of Dublin'!!....it is for this reason that nothing that collects revenue for the council is allowed to be placed in it or the footpath surrounding it!!....look at the parking meters, they are all down off the kerb and on the actual road!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 26/03/2013 14:08:20    1356644

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When I was a student in Dublin many moons ago there was a little lane off Smithfield with the wonderful name "Thundercut Alley".
I wonder is it still there?

CmonAymonow (Laois) - Posts: 160 - 03/04/2013 13:41:57    1360233

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MuckrossHead
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Apart form a love of total football Dublin & Donegal also share the distinction of having two Irish names.

Tir Conaill or the Land of Conall, comes from the Irish chieftan Conall Gulban, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages who ruled in the fifth century.

Dun na nGall or the Fort of the Foreigner originated from the many invasions by Vikings in the ninth century which led to settlement.

Both names are still in common use here & perusal of posts on HS will sometimes throw up the old battle cry Tir Conaill abu!!


Does Tír Chonaill cover the whole of Dún na nGall?? I thought Dún na nGall was made up of Inis Eoghain agus Tír Chonaill. I'm willing to stand corrected.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/04/2013 13:58:00    1360250

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CmonAymonow
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1360233 When I was a student in Dublin many moons ago there was a little lane off Smithfield with the wonderful name "Thundercut Alley".
I wonder is it still there?


Walk through it every day. It's through an apartmant complex/car park/cinema so I doubt it bears much resemblance to the what it looked like "many moons ago"!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12452 - 03/04/2013 14:25:19    1360276

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Laois poster...here ya go!
'Vanishing Dublin' indeed......the line from 'Dublin in the Rare Auld Times' sums it up perfectly "the pillar and the met have gone, the royal long since pulled down, as the grey unyielding concrete makes a city of my town"
http://dublincitypubliclibraries.com/content/011-thundercut-alley

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 03/04/2013 16:16:12    1360360

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"Original Irish"

Are we not the decendants of many "tribes" who arrived in this island over thousands of years with the Celts being one of the later arrivals ( following by Saxons, Normans, Scots, Spanish etc in no particular order).

A TV programme in recent years traced a West of Ireland DNA back to Northern Spain and we had the old tales abput the Fir Bullogs, Tua DeDaineann etc. I may be decendeed from the "Small Dark Strangers"

Has there been any other DNA tracing ? Would be surprised if North Antrim & Scotland are not closely related.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 03/04/2013 17:10:44    1360405

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Culann
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1360250 MuckrossHead
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Apart form a love of total football Dublin & Donegal also share the distinction of having two Irish names.

Tir Conaill or the Land of Conall, comes from the Irish chieftan Conall Gulban, son of Niall of the Nine Hostages who ruled in the fifth century.

Dun na nGall or the Fort of the Foreigner originated from the many invasions by Vikings in the ninth century which led to settlement.

Both names are still in common use here & perusal of posts on HS will sometimes throw up the old battle cry Tir Conaill abu!!

Does Tír Chonaill cover the whole of Dún na nGall?? I thought Dún na nGall was made up of Inis Eoghain agus Tír Chonaill. I'm willing to stand corrected.

They say Conaill took TIRCONAILL and brother Eoghain took TIR EOGHAIN and INIS EOGHAIN PENNINSULA.

Like ATH CLIATH and DUBHLINN , ATHCLIATH a hurdled forde where all the main roads in ireland met up at father mattews bridge,(they think) where as Dubhlinn was a settlement at an important meeting of the river poddle and the liffey (a black pool) built over now . at back of Dublin castle.

Gaelgoirs like using Tir chonaill and Baile Ath cliath. though they are not irish versions of Donegal and Dublin. they are not anglicised versions like Dublin or donegal. which were used to name an area.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 04/04/2013 10:34:37    1360660

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St. Michan's Chursh on Halston Street in Dublin (Beside the fruit Markets) has three Mummies in its crypt below. One is almost a thousand years old. It was featured on Creadons cities on RTE but my dad had told me about them when I was a kid (he grew up in around the area).

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/04/2013 14:22:07    1360832

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Nice one YayP.

Among them are those of brothers John and Henry Shears, barristers and imprisoned United Irish that were architects of the 1798 rebellion!
Where Dubliners lead....Ireland follows!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 04/04/2013 14:50:25    1360863

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On September 29th 1979 Pope John Paul 11 came to Killiner just outside Drogheda. But he was not meant to come here in his original plans. He was orginally planned to go to Armagh but a month earlier the ira planted a bomb on a boat that killed Mountbatten off the coast of Sligo. With the security been at high risk they changed it to Drogheda. Drogheda is in two Diocese. The Boyne divides Armagh to the North with Meath to the South.

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 04/04/2013 15:17:19    1360882

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Snuf,
Re the 1798 rebellion it was The boys of Wexford that led the way there Im afraid..Sure didnt we take on the tans on our own with pitchforks and hurleys!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 04/04/2013 15:46:24    1360901

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juniorbsub,

May 25th 1798 is when my own village rose up right after Dublin City in Smithfield (where Breff walks through every day) but sold out by informers was put down in the Capital before it even began (Shears brothers/Tone/Lord Edward Fitzgerald, Napper Tandy....all Dubs by the way, all in prison etc).

The plan was for the mail coaches leaving Dublin to be siezed so their non arrival in the Provincal Towns would be a signal that Dublin was in rebel hands!

May 25th the account goes: "The West bound mail coach was siezed and burned in Lucan, but all along the road to Galway nothing stirred"......as usual our country cousins sat back to do nothing!!

Sorry juniorbsub.....but the Dubs started it long before your isolated county gave it a good crack!

Regards,

Snufalufagus...Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 04/04/2013 16:39:50    1360955

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There was a Viking graveyard in the Phoenix Park, and its the biggest Viking graveyard discovered outside a Scandanavian country.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 04/04/2013 17:11:10    1360989

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One for you in May Snuf ...Dr.Shane McKenna on the "Invincibles". He was up in Dungannon last week to give an excellent talk on Thomas J Clarke.
"The Irish National Invincibles and Their Times: Perspectives on late Victorian Nationalism". 18th May Wynn's Hotel. All welcome.
Today is the 130th Anniversary of their execution in Kilmainham gaol.

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 05/04/2013 10:10:07    1361238

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Correction there are many varied speakers at this conference with different viewpoints. Might just make the trip myself and help the oul economy along with my copious consumption of the black.

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 05/04/2013 10:18:06    1361244

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Are we not the decendants of many "tribes" who arrived in this island over thousands of years with the Celts being one of the later arrivals ( following by Saxons, Normans, Scots, Spanish etc in no particular order).

A TV programme in recent years traced a West of Ireland DNA back to Northern Spain and we had the old tales abput the Fir Bullogs, Tua DeDaineann etc. I may be decendeed from the "Small Dark Strangers"

Has there been any other DNA tracing ? Would be surprised if North Antrim & Scotland are not closely related.


Yes KELF we are indeed descended from different tribes, the first of which would have arrived in the NE corner of Ireland. On the DNA tracing you are correct in your assertion about N Antrim and the West Coast of Scotland - remember seeing a programme that was looking at the DNA of different parts of Britain and Ireland and there were DNA links between the western Islands and coast of Scotland and North Antrim, which, given the ancient kingdom of Dalriada encompassed both these areas is not really a surprise.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 05/04/2013 11:13:21    1361281

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