I think one of the most frustrating things about the Public Sector in this country is the fact that it is seen as highly inefficient, overstaffed and militant. Per se I have no issue whatsoever with Public Service workers, believe you me I have applied for quite a few higher level positions over the last few years, but I have yet to be successfull. What really annoys people is that this country is paying massive amounts of money for a service that at the end of the day is extremely poor, the only Public Service that I would say works well is somewhat unfortunately for us, The Revenue. Apart from the Revenue, right across the board you have highly inefficient bodies like the HSE, FAS, Passport Office etc, you could probably nearly include every single Government run body in that list. You then also have the problem that all of these bodies are highly unionised, and any time the government tries to implement change, it is either blocked or they look for a pay increase first, which is probably what annoys people in the private sector most. With all of these problems it's hard to see us ever having an effecient streamlined public service, as for that to happen, they would probably need to get rid of up to a third of the people working in the Public Sector, although most of these would be managers, as well as changing their terms & conditions. They would also need to lessen the influence of the Unions, as it's a disgrace that people like Jack O'Connor, David Begg, Blair Horan etc are practically deciding government policy, and can literally hold this country to ransom anytime they chose. Finally anybody being hired for Public Service jobs from here on in should be hired on new contracts, that amongst other things prevents any essential service from striking, and I include amongst that Gardai, Fire Fighters, Nurses, ESB & god forbid workers in the Passport Office. It should also be possible to transfer people between all the different departments if needs be, believe it or not this simple measure is a minefield at the moment. Sadly none of this lot will ever happen, as yet again the Unions will block any sort of progress, and the governement are not tough enough to stand up to these people.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 26/03/2010 11:43:06    599598

26/03/2010 09:23:16
Lockjaw
County: Donegal
Posts: 1124

599444 "They took ar jebs!!"

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Youse boys will be alright
Anyone I know up your side of town is Knee deep in Nama work
Im sure they are smart enough not to work there way out of it this side of 2020

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 26/03/2010 11:49:39    599609

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 3218

599537 26/03/2010 09:05:00
Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
Posts: 2513

599421 Hag, your argument basically is this.
Lower paid private sector workers took pay cuts and job losses, therefore, low paid public servants should too,
Its exactly what I was talking about
If John and Jimmy both have a ball. John's ball gets punctured by a mean man in a suit. He feels aggrieved. He then wants jimmy's ball to be punctured too. Even tho Jimmy had nothing to do with John's ball being punctured! Cos if he cant have a ball, why should Jimmy?
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The mean man might come back some day and buy Johnny and a few more lads a ball
But there will be no point in having a ball if Jimmy and Johnnys Mammy doesnt have a garden
The bank will let Mammy keep the garden if she is seen to be watching her pennies, paying her rent and not letting the rent arrears creep up too much
Mammy is struggling a bit with the rent but might just scrape through if she cuts Jimmys pocket money
Jimmy got an increase in pocket money when Mammy had plenty money for the rent.
Poor ould Jimmy hasn't done a whole pile wrong but its the only way Mammy can save a few quid.

Yeah, but does Johnny have to be such a twat about it?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 26/03/2010 11:52:15    599614

The corrupt Public sector such as the Dublin docklands Authority caused the mess we are in. The Government (Public sector) The Regulators (Public sector) the Planners (Public sector) caused the mess we are in. I hope the Public secot hang their head in shame.

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/03/2010 11:53:05    599615

Long live the Public sector, been in since 10 o'clock and haven't done a single thing. Working life isn't as bad as I thought it would be

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 26/03/2010 11:59:06    599624

Here's hoping rua, here's hoping.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9734 - 26/03/2010 12:04:00    599631

26/03/2010 11:52:15
Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 2483

Yeah, but does Johnny have to be such a twat about it?
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Well times are already tough enough for Johnny since the mean man burst the ball
but his cousin in the next town said he could come over as there is plenty of balls over there.
But Johnny needs Jimmy help him to the bus station but Jimmy refuses to help because his football is not as shiney as last years

So Johnnys only option is to go once a month to the old football shop where they hand out the burst footballs that Jimmy and the lads are finished with
but it looks like that's not going to work either as Jimmy and the lads are going to refuse to help here also.

Johnny understands that Jimmy is a little cheesed off and says when he used to be sad he used to give out to Mammy until she gave him some sweets, but instead of giving out to Mammy Jimmy is refusing to play with Johnny which he cant understand because Johnny never did nothing(sic) on Jimmy.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 26/03/2010 12:05:42    599634

re: gilly2308

Yes indeed agree totally, i would go on to say the unions are the most currupt they drum up support from member through wages along, mention reform in their polices yet do nothing about it. I'd like to see managers cut thus letter skilled workers down the line make decisions instead of doing the things the same way.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2010 12:11:16    599649

26/03/2010 11:53:05
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2374

599615 The corrupt Public sector such as the Dublin docklands Authority caused the mess we are in. The Government (Public sector) The Regulators (Public sector) the Planners (Public sector) caused the mess we are in. I hope the Public secot hang their head in shame.
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I blame their education. If they all had PHDs from MIT or MSC's in engineering from some place in Scotland none of this would have occured.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 26/03/2010 12:11:33    599651

Maybe Johnny should have taken more care of his shiny O'Neilll's size 5 when he had it, instead of scoffing at Jimmy's humble Derby ball, which is getting flatter and flatter by the day. so much so he might as well start playing with Johnny's burst ball.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 26/03/2010 12:18:35    599664

Johnny wants help to get a new ball so goes to the shop where jimmy's sister jenny works jenny refuse's to give him a new ball and isn't even at the counter!!! Johnny tries a load more shops but the same thing happens. Jimmy dosen't help at all as he says he's nothing to do with it when in fact he was indirectly involved and any money Johnny has goes to buying jimmy, jenny and the rest of the family even more balls eventhough they do not need them. They say the some of johnny's distant relations have loads of balls so therefore so should Johnny which he dosen't.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2010 12:19:42    599668

Jimmy and Johnny's balls are quite a sore point, enough about their balls!!!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 26/03/2010 12:24:24    599682

"Jimmy's humble Derby ball,"

Jimmy tried to make everyone think that it was a humble derby ball but all alone it was a better o'neills ball to johnny and he even got mammy to get him an even better o'neills ball which mammy and johnny had to pay for!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2010 12:34:31    599699

HAG_AND_CHEESE
County: Tipperary
Posts: 2244

599699 "Jimmy's humble Derby ball,"

Jimmy tried to make everyone think that it was a humble derby ball but all alone it was a better o'neills ball to johnny and he even got mammy to get him an even better o'neills ball which mammy and johnny had to pay for!

If only Johnny wasn't so preoccupied with own top of the range ball, he could be living Jimmy's luxury life right now. Is that what you're saying? Jimmy was blue in the face telling Johnny the error of his ways before his ball was burst, but he wouldn't listen. There were humble derby balls for anyone who wanted one when jimmy had his o'neills. The irony is Johnny would still refuse the humble derby ball if it was offered him now.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 26/03/2010 12:53:08    599723

Actually the jimmy and johnny part is cheapening the arguement. I'd like to get back to the facts The public sectors arguement is there should be any pay cuts as they didn't cause it even though they were as indirectly involved as the majority of the private sector (noone in the public sector took out loans or bought house apparantly) also public service and unions had representation on the boards of directors of banks.

Also public service benefitted from the boom times throught wages and investment fueled by banking and construction yet now their gone burst they fail to have this negitive reflecting in their earnings.
They way it should be
Boom = people earn more.
Bust = people earn a lot less

public servants
boom = they earn more
bust = we want to stay about the same

and don't weight in with the arguement that not everyone has taken a cut in the private sector as a whole wages and jobs have been cut. ye weight in behind the union so ye are a collective voice so then cuts across all wages are justified as the public service gives no solution and opposed the level of reform needed!!!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2010 13:13:57    599756

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 3223

599609 26/03/2010 09:23:16
Lockjaw
County: Donegal
Posts: 1124

599444 "They took ar jebs!!"

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Youse boys will be alright
Anyone I know up your side of town is Knee deep in Nama work
Im sure they are smart enough not to work there way out of it this side of 2020

There's approx 80 or being let go at the end of April. Another 20 in July.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 26/03/2010 13:42:03    599798

"jimmy had his o'neills"

Jimmy had and still has his o'neills in fact a new one but it's paid for by johnny who has no ball, should johnny not feel agreived as he dosen't even get any pleasure watching jimmy play with his o'neills ball as he's not very good at football!

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2010 14:22:22    599859

How can anyone justify pay increases totalling €500,000 at Anglo to 78 senior staff when Anglo are expected to declare losses of €12 billion over the past 15 months and according to its Chief Exec, they will require an investment of €9 billion in additional capital to keep it in business (notwithstanding the €4 billion they have already received from the government). The bosses at Anglo state that this is necessary due to their current work load (caused by their greed) and that they let off the wrong employees in some cases, leaving no one qualified to carry out certain duties. The bank is essentailly nationalised now and the government have no problem allowing these pay increases to those who caused the mess we are in but have no problem cutting the pay of lowly paid public servants.

gianfranco (Offaly) - Posts: 100 - 26/03/2010 14:22:24    599860

HAG_AND_CHEESE
County: Tipperary
Posts: 2247

599859 "jimmy had his o'neills"

Jimmy had and still has his o'neills in fact a new one but it's paid for by johnny who has no ball, should johnny not feel agreived as he dosen't even get any pleasure watching jimmy play with his o'neills ball as he's not very good at football!

I think I got my balls confused there Hag. That should have been Johnny.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 26/03/2010 14:38:17    599885

ruanua
County: Donegal
Posts: 3223

599651 26/03/2010 11:53:05
paddyogall
County: Mayo
Posts: 2374

599615 The corrupt Public sector such as the Dublin docklands Authority caused the mess we are in. The Government (Public sector) The Regulators (Public sector) the Planners (Public sector) caused the mess we are in. I hope the Public secot hang their head in shame.
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I blame their education. If they all had PHDs from MIT or MSC's in engineering from some place in Scotland none of this would have occured.

Were you in my class in Scotland?

paddyogall (Mayo) - Posts: 5110 - 26/03/2010 14:42:24    599894