Derryman, I don't know what happened at Scotstown. It was no surprise that Monaghan player a good game of football becuase they are a very good team but it was surprising how Derry threw in the towel. After the opening league game of the season where Derry were so fired up it is hard to understand how the wheels seem to have come of the wagon. What has gone wrong? I assume you are playing without the U21s?

John Boss (Tyrone) - Posts: 865 - 22/03/2010 21:25:41    595699

John Boss


We are indeed playing without the U21s. I think the under 30s are not turning up either.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 22/03/2010 21:39:06    595742

derryman dont waste your time arguing with the Boss as no one on the Tyrone board pays much attention to him. Wire and the moon are two words that come to mind.
Anyway the point I wish to add to my previous comments is that I'm disappointed that few on here cant see the slippery slope that we are on and few seem to acknowledge this fact. New management is the only way forward and I'll will be proved right in the end.

dromorethegreat (Tyrone) - Posts: 181 - 22/03/2010 21:55:45    595798

dromorethegreat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 123

595182 clintonscigar your 100% correct! ninja mustn't go to the games when he is trying to correct me about a player's ability or the lack of it as I see. You'll find that I rearly wrong and I believe Tyrone can get out of this crisis if they are managered properly. As it was said recently in one of the papers that the manager has got side-tracked by his own self importance, booking writing, speeches, etc., and this has been to the team's great disadvantage. In essence he has taken his eye off the ball.
I'm sorry to admit that we as a football county are becoming a laughingstock and the sooner we get the team management sorted the better for Tyrone.

Hear Hear Dromore the great - self importance just about sums it up!
And the biggest numbskulls on this forum are the ones who wait for someone to say something negative and then jump at there keyboard crying - don't be so negative, get behind your team, look at all the things mickey has won us! i say to those people change the record (has mickey brought out a single yet?)

DiscoStu (Tyrone) - Posts: 213 - 23/03/2010 11:27:09    595946

i think some tyrone gaels are looking for too much from this team. we just had a good decade over all, we are still competing at the top and we will still be on the shortlist for sam.

aumac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1 - 23/03/2010 11:35:41    595959

derryman dont waste your time arguing with the Boss as no one on the Tyrone board pays much attention to him. Wire and the moon are two words that come to mind.
Anyway the point I wish to add to my previous comments is that I'm disappointed that few on here cant see the slippery slope that we are on and few seem to acknowledge this fact. New management is the only way forward and I'll will be proved right in the end.

I can't see where they are arguing!! They are simply having a discussion which is the purpose of a forum is it not?

With regard to your main points, if you were not so pompous and agressive in your points then they may get some more credence. I enjoy the irony of you suggesting Mickey is full of self importance in the same paragraph as you suggest that you are rarely wrong.

There are areas of concern and it is difficult to see what can be done. The myth that is a conveyor belt of talent is being shown up as exactly that. There are however a few points that I feel should be made. Sean Cavanagh and Ryan Melllon coming back did add impetus and with improving match fitness will get better. Mulligan and O'Neill have to come back, surely a boost to any side. That is a change of 4 forwards who will no doubt make a serious impact on the team. Clom Cavanagh is improving and appears to be shrugging off what I consider is an inferiority complex and constantlly being compared to big brother. Cassidy has proved thus far to be the best player in the league so far. The problems lie in defence, and more so in the centre half line. Although Davy is excellent going forward he struggles when defending. Gormley appears to be having trouble with continual niggling injuries that I feel are impacting on his ability to play at his best. I do feel that the loss of Dooher for the most part needs to coincide with a change in our playing style. No longer have we got half forwards plugging the gap when No's 5 & 7 go bombing up the pitch, therefore when we lose possession we are immediately put under pressure. Please note the difference when Penrose was moved to cover the HB line against Cork. Mickey Harte has an excellent knowledge of football and although I would consider myself quite sharp, I am sensible (and humble maybe) to understand that he knows more than you or I about tactics, players strengths, weaknesses etc and his record speaks for itself. It is taking time to adjust to a new way of playing and teething troubles are always hard to bear but are a fact of life. As an aside, I will put up what I consider the strongest Tyrone team and maybe you could advise me of yours. By the way, who would you have replace Mickey assuming that you're not available

1. McConnell
2. Gormley 3. McCarron 4. Ricey
5. Joey 6. Justin 7. Red Sean
8. Cassidy 9. C Cavanagh
10. Mellon 11. S Cavangah 12. Mulligan
13. Penrose 14. S O'Neill 15. McCullagh Subs: D Harte, Jordan, B McGuigan, Coney, Hub, Mulgrew, McGinley, Dooher, McKenna, P Harte

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 23/03/2010 13:00:11    596094

Jeez, I cant believe you mugs playing into the hands of irvinestown fail, have none of you ever seen one of his threads before, a **** stirrer extraordinaire and you have just fallen for it.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/03/2010 13:35:01    596139

ah shamgael and westrules...so sorry you missed me yesterday...all i have tosay to you west rules is that galway put in an excellent performance with bergin and declan meehan having particularly fine performances,,,but don't spoil it now about talking about tyrone's demise..just worry about galway..we both have a lot to do with tyrone at 5 and galway at 7 in the pecking order.
as for you shamgael..well at least i don't just pop up on the tyrone forum when tyrone get beat..why do you feelthe need tocome across and chat to us only when you want to wind us up when tyrone get beat..you really should get out more...and it's great to see you made it all the way down to tuam on sunday seeing as you had so much knowledge of the game...did ye not stop off to watch your own beloved county sink to NUMBER 29 in the rankings...it's only westmeath london and kilkenny to overtake you now.
i see all the anti-mickey brigade are out in force already...at least in 2008, they waited until may..tyrone are struggling this year, mainly due to the poor form of the half back line, which again were extremely porous...but i'm sure a lot waslearned from sundays performance...big sean was excellent when he came on...ryan mellon and peter harte also had very good displays..we are still inwith a shout and it is only march...so please stop whinging

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 23/03/2010 13:43:52    596155

dromorethegreat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 123

Anyway the point I wish to add to my previous comments is that I'm disappointed that few on here cant see the slippery slope that we are on and few seem to acknowledge this fact. New management is the only way forward and I'll will be proved right in the end.

Just wondering who you had in mind to replace Miceal if or when he steps down?

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 23/03/2010 14:10:37    596188

shamgael...as you say yourself "the division 4 trapdoor is wideopen for fermanagh"...i'd be worrying more about yer own boys than us in tyrone..

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 23/03/2010 14:19:38    596201

wats a laughingstock?

The_Lug_Coa (Fermanagh) - Posts: 406 - 23/03/2010 15:15:57    596279

for once dont think harte is the problem. he needs time to build a team if hes capable. major surgery is required. i still think mickey o neill is a better option in goals than the other three but needs a year or two, mcconnell best of the rest at the minute. we need one corner back possibly mccarron. justy and ricey to complete that line. id put cassidy wing half with penrose, jordan CHB if fit, (gormley an odd day if conditions suit.) midfield hub and joe mcmahon. tommy mcguigan mulgrew (not fit enough at present and not easy being creative in a losing side but an option) and colm cavnagh (ive been a huge critic buts hes physical and can put a good shift in around the middle and has youth on his side). the days of the brians are over (impact subs at best but to be honest rusty nails for both). the full forward line picks itself o neill cavnagh and mulligan (with coney an option and peter harte, the rest are only there to make up the numbers in training).
we need time and space to build and get the hunger and speed back in the team holding on to boys wont do it for us. we have to reinvent the wheel come on mickey get the finger out and might need to freshen the backroom team up. galway and cork were light years ahead in terms of conditioning, a lot of our older boys are in the 44 jerseys and the 36 shorts.

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 23/03/2010 15:49:35    596332

Well Lug I can see why you might ask. Tyrone are not quite sure themselves but the rest of the country know why.

A laughing stock is an object of humiliating ridicule or the butt of one's jokes. The age of the phrase may be the reason that it is often linked with the practice of putting people into stocks as a punishment. The stocks were a means of punishment in use at the time the phrase was coined, by which people were tortured or ridiculed. Victims were held by having their ankles, and occasionally the wrists too, trapped in holes between two sliding boards. So it is with Tyrone today where their feet and hands seem powerless to do much on the playing field thus earning themselves the title "the laughing stocks of the GAA".

Even in English literature William Shakespeare (c.1598) in the Merry Wives of Windsor, act 3, sc. 1: says "Pray you let us not be laughing-stocks to other men's humours" Little did he know those words would arise again to humilate the redhand county of Ulster in the 21st century. But who cares?

lrvinestownGael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 847 - 23/03/2010 16:03:02    596352

Tyrone will survive in division one,and Tyrone will always be a better footballing outfit than Fermanagh.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 23/03/2010 19:44:53    596760

lrvinestownGael
County: Fermanagh
Posts: 531

Jesus man I knew you were bad, but looking up Google for references from English Lit plays and the definition of a laughing stock to put it up on Hoganstand? You have too much time on your hands man!

BallBreaker19 (Tyrone) - Posts: 61 - 23/03/2010 20:32:39    596819

First of all, IrvinestownGael alias shamgael is, I'm informed, a typical civil servant who we are paying for through our taxes to spend some of his working hours writing on hoganstand. It just shows what the cushie time civil servants have compared to the rest of us who have to craft harder in the private sector to make a lving.
Anyway, I notice there is little constructive response to my call for a new manager and I put this down to misplaced (or some might say childish) loyalty to yesterday's man. If no action is taken, I see Tyrone dropping a division and come the championship we could be, as shamgael often says, be humiliated this summer.
End of story.

dromorethegreat (Tyrone) - Posts: 181 - 23/03/2010 21:16:00    596911

the red hands are still holding up their heads...slightly off the leading pack of kerry, cork, mayo and dublin, but in there along with down, galway, monaghan, kildare, derry, donegal and armagh in the chasing pack....so we still can very much hold our heads up high unlike those who seek to bring us down to their level because of their petty jealousies..."now that is the land of fools"...cheque out that shakesperian quote and context shamgael

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 23/03/2010 21:33:09    596955

LOL at Irvinstown gael. I couldnt put it better myself. Thanks.

WestRules (Galway) - Posts: 271 - 23/03/2010 21:54:12    597012

dromorethegreat
County: Tyrone
Posts: 124

Anyway, I notice there is little constructive response to my call for a new manager and I put this down to misplaced (or some might say childish) loyalty to yesterday's man. If no action is taken, I see Tyrone dropping a division and come the championship we could be, as shamgael often says, be humiliated this summer.
End of story.

I noticed that you didn't put forward any suggestions as a replacement for Harte in your constructive response. Maybe Harte has surrounded himself with far too many Dromore men on his panel or maybe there's just not enough of them........
Have you any attacking minded goalkeepers up your country that could plug a few positional holes in the defence?

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 24/03/2010 08:36:37    597030

Is it just me or does anybody else think our favourite WOM Irvinestown Gael, just goes **** stirring every time the "So Called" Tyrone team gets beat, then replies to his OWN posts as another registered user?
Have you ever noticed or found it strange most of the posters who agree with him are all fairly newly registered users with just a few posts?
As mentioned before by other users on HS, the Moderators should either Ban Duplicate IPs or release the Identity of duplicate users. While not exactly naming and shaming certain users, a list of users using the same IP for multiple user and ALL their usernames would be interesting!!

Scared Shamgael?

It's easy when hiding behind user name/s, to come on a public forum and spout vile about other people, other teams and in general just be a hateful WUM.

What drives a WUM like Shamgael? Jealousy, Hatefulness, Enjoyment is seeing others fail rather than his own succeed?

Sad really, but in truth it says alot more about him/her and the person he/she is!!

RiceysBrother (Tyrone) - Posts: 125 - 24/03/2010 10:53:29    597143