Well said Black & White....

Now derpadjo65 & bigmouthone, stop crying will ye! lol

county (Antrim) - Posts: 61 - 30/09/2010 15:41:51    787645

Black & White

By you not playing extra-time on the day i think this gives Finbarrs a good mental advantage as it looked as if you were on the back foot in the second half, this is what i meant by them getting the better of you.

So if you wanted another game due to your lack of action this year fair enough.................

But i have it from a good source from Coventry that Marys tried/are trying to get a walk over due to an ineligible player, this is what i find to be a joke!!

I am not part of the Finbarrs community being from Bham but good luck on Sunday it sounds like you will need it IF THE GAME GOES AHEAD!!

derpadjo65 (UK) - Posts: 10 - 30/09/2010 16:14:08    787680

There wont be a game on Sunday Black & white as we dont have a team, Our officers informed the county board on the Sunday that we would not have a team for this weekend and they again informed them at the county board meeting on Monday but the county board are going ahead with the fixture after discussing it at a CCC meeting last night. We were informed that your club placed a letter into the board saying they were unwilling for the fixture to be moved, and thats your right as a club not knocking it. As for irony, your club moaning about a lack of games and walk overs and then pushing for one and getting it, now thats irony.

As for extra time, once again your quite correct, it's your clubs right not to play if it has not been agreed before hand, but for you to then say you didn't play extra time so you could get another game!!! We could even mention the early sunday morning call our Secretary received about a player suspension just hours before the game at the prompting of the county Chairman and we all know who's club he's connected to dont we!!!!

bigredone (UK) - Posts: 13 - 30/09/2010 16:23:18    787692

The farce that is Warwickshire GAA never ceases to amaze!!

Hopefully Marys and Finbars can come to some sort of arrangement, no team should want to advance in a championship as a result of a walkover. Sure its nearly October now it wont do any harm to put the intermediate final back another few weeks!!

As for Mary's going into senior, i appreciate their reasons but if they cant beat Finbars, they will get annihilated at senior.

I liked Hman's proposal of a Reserve championship, but I hear john Mitchels are against it as it will mean their Intermediates will move out of the intermediate championship.

Lethal (Derry) - Posts: 281 - 30/09/2010 17:06:04    787741

bigredone - So what would Finbarrs have done if the final was this weekend?? I find it hard to believe you don't have a team!

Intelinside (UK) - Posts: 64 - 30/09/2010 17:09:14    787745

Well i can honestly say we are not trying to get a walk over, it was a great game Sunday and we hope that Finbars can get a team together this Sunday. Perhaps we did get off the hook who knows, we got the last point so maybe we would have gone onto win it, all if and buts........

We spoke to your delagation after the game and they said Sunday was the preferred option so thats why the date was set. As has been rightly pointed out, what would Finbars do if they had got through to the final?

Regarding the illegibility of a player, the letter we put in covered a few items.
The first is that the easiest way to clear up the issue about which Finbars player had thrown the bottle at the ref in the champ game against Leicester i belive was for the ref to point him out and to clear the matter up simply.
We never said Finbars played an Illegible player last weekned , we just wanted it clearing up like yourselves.

The second item was as to why the County Board rang Finbars on Sunday Morning to say there was a banned player when the CCC meeting took place in July after the incident against Leicester in the championship. That was a question to the county board secretary as to why in his words 'he never got around it'. You should have had more notice than that but as mentioned before , nothing suprises me in terms of the County Board...........

After the initial game was agreed to be this sunday our lads cleared the weekends so they could play this Sunday, thats why we didnt change the fixture , plus as stated before Finbars knew the final was this weekend so should have been prepared. I think a precedent had been set with the Macs v Casements game in the semi when casements were refused to move the semi date by the CCC and they asked for 3 weeks notice, Finbars gave 6 days.

Regarding Marys getting annihilated at senior, probably we would but its a start and its the only place to play football in Warwickshire. Whats the alternative, 2 league games and 2 champ games since March again at inter next year?? ..........no thanks.

blackandwhite (UK) - Posts: 64 - 30/09/2010 17:47:14    787787

I must admit i do like hmans proposal, hes got a very good idea how the leagues can work ! mayb the county board should get him involved in the running of this , he seems to know what hes talkin about ! as for the marys finbars game why dont they just have a fight for the final spot, its what finbars like doing best !!!!!

bigfella87 (Dublin) - Posts: 22 - 30/09/2010 18:34:26    787826

lethal

John Michells to my mind have not expressed a view on Four Masters Proposal.
However I personally would not be in favour of another three tier league regardless of what you wish to call it. we have senior, intermediate and junior at the moment.
Do you think that changing to senior 1 ,2 and reserve league will make a difference, I don't think so, we have tried a three tier system for a number of years and it has failed miserably.
I put forward a proposal to all clubs last year for a two division league but clubs were not interested in taking it up. It might be worth looking at again.
I believe it's time for a radical change to how competitions are organised.

First you have to understand why fixtures are not being fulfilled.
Whether you accept it or not gaelic games come in third place for more than 50% of players behind both soccer and rugby.
There is also the fact that all players take annual holidays mostly in the month of August, so why are we fixing games in this month, as there are several summer months already void of games. This needs a serious change on the part of county board, to give leadership.
A number of players stopped playing this year because they would not be able to play in chamionship, so league and other competitions suffered.
Is it necessary to have the season starting in March and running to December, we are forcing players to make a choice.
Up to the 1st of October there has only been one hurling fixture and everyone knows hurling is a summer game.
There are many more points in the reasons for non fulfilment of fixtures, all of which need to be addressed at the same time as organising league

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 30/09/2010 20:35:22    787940

Intheslide,we would have had the same situation with the final, but we are not kidding ourselves we knew they wouldn't refix the game because as Black & white said a precedent has now been set by the Macs v RC semi decision and it was apparently made clear by the RC club officers to the board about their feelings to any re-fixing of the game due to their experiences.

The things that have gone on behind the scenes leave a very sour taste in the mouth, with the County Board being the main culprits.

Anyway it was a good competitive game on Sunday could have gone either way with each team having periods of pressure, felt sorry for the Marys keeper who made some good saves and was then taken off but i suppose thats sport. And as for bigfella87, we dont fight anymore we debate,we're to old and slow to fight now a days.

bigredone (UK) - Posts: 13 - 01/10/2010 09:58:43    788091

Anyone got any idead for a new format, its clear it needs changing as clubs are struggling as a result of an incompetent system which currently exists, I have some but they may be open to amendment;

SFC: EGB, Sean McDermotts, Roger Casements, John Mitchels, St Barnabas, Four Masters, Intermediate Champ Winners or Runners Up (Marys)
(2 groups of 3 and 4 teams, top two go through, all games played an PnH).

IFC: St Finabars, St Chads, Sons of Erin, O'Rahillys, The Gaels, Naomh Padraig, St Brendans
(Open draw straight KO)

Reserve Football Championship: EGB Res, John Mitchels Res, Sean McDermotts Res, Roger Casements Res, Four Masters Res, St Barnabas Res, St Brendans Res.

League Division 1: EGB, Sean McDermotts, Roger Casements, John Mitchels, St Barnabas, Four Masters, St Marys
(Play each other once at alternating venues each year, will also make the league easier to conclude)

League Division 2: St Chads, Sons of Erin, St Finbars, O'Rahillys, Naomh Padraig, St Brendans
(Play each other once at alternating venues each year)

Reserve League: All reserve teams

The Senior Hurling Championship should be played and concluded in July/August. As long as people have the dates in advance they can scheduele holidays aroung them. As has been said on the forum Hurling is not a winter sport!!

Reducing the amount of league fixtures will mean that the leagues can be concluded before the championship starts, Leaving the rest of the season for the various cup competitions. This should prevent fixtures not being completed or fixtures being played in Nov/Dec.

Lethal (Derry) - Posts: 281 - 01/10/2010 11:17:30    788146

totally agree leathal.. 2 divisions senior an intermediate then have a reserve league instead of juniors best option..have reserve games as curtain raiser to all senior games to avoid having 2 teams away in different directions e.g Reserve league macs v EGB 2:30pm, senior league macs v EGB 3:45 at same venue.. clubs must name 12 apostles/lads at start of year who cant play reserve championship but can play in reserve league, this in turn gives lads games then also the chance for boys playing reserve football to be seen by senior club manager in turn maybe progressing into senior team....

for warwickshire to progress drastic changes need to be put in place this year was a complete farce at intermediate and junior level.....

magic_johnson (Cork) - Posts: 181 - 01/10/2010 15:30:19    788378

Nice to see some suggestions coming through for fixtures, my prefered option was Millbrooks but it is a while since i since i looked at it so will take another look. Either way 3 divisions does not work!!!

We also need to look at why fixtures are not completed, for me the main one is that we have no idea when games are fixed for with enough notice, another reason is that it is too easy to change a fixture ( all clubs guilty over the years) another is the fact that if there has been an objection or similar issue then these take far too long to sort out or come to a decision, hence holding up the compititon.

I do not know why we cannot get a fixture list organised between us all and produced at convention. When i have mentioned this before to people i keep getting told that we cant do this because of the county!!!!!??????................WHY ???...........surely the dates for county games do not change that much from year to year??? i may be wrong but even if county games are drawn well this can be accomodated if we look at it now.

If games are fixed at the beggining of the year and a fixture list produced then there is no excuse for games to be cancelled (barring berievement) I am not saying this is easy but we have time if we look at it now. if we dont know when county fixtures are to be played .......well lets put pressure on provincial!!!!!! (no idea who will do that!!) provincial can surely see that the game is struggling!! if they cant, well, they need to be told.

A couple of idea's

All league games played before champ (named squads)
Games fixed for friday eve, sat eve, midweek.......works at home!!! (seems to be a bit of a mantra when talking to county board)

As has been said before it is lack of forward thinking that has led us to this, and change is required at the top table!!

Not saying i have the answers and am willing to discuss any thoughts on what i have suggested. It is only by us talking and having idea's that will be backed by all, that things will change................so lets get on with it!!!

(i believe there is a fixture meeting on Monday??? is this to discuss outstanding fixtures or planning for the future?)

Botheredagain (Leitrim) - Posts: 8 - 01/10/2010 15:59:06    788409

You couldn't write us a song about the divisional make up 'andquick', i feel now is the time to produce another top heart regarding the next issue landing on our message board!!!

pinkpanther (Monaghan) - Posts: 37 - 01/10/2010 16:06:32    788412

Listen lads you can change the league structures all you want , blame the county board , blame this one blame that one , The reason why junior & inter is a joke this year is down to the clubs who over and over fail to field .The buck stops there and no where else , they have no organisation , they have no proper procedures in place , they have the wrong attitude , all i see on this forum is people slagging off the county board , saying why are fixtures not out weeks in advance , what a joke , the first 4or 5 senior fixtures always come out to clubs at the start of the season and they are always played by the clubs its only when the inter county stuff starts that you cannot set fixtures until you know where the county team is at , as regards setting junior or inter fixtures for the next 4 or 5 weeks , no chance .
This year there was walkovers in the first round of league games at inter and junior , clubs trying to move games because of this and that , if you cant get round 1 of the league played without any walkovers how do you expect to get a run of 4 or 5 games .I bet you that the fixtures secratary takes about a dozen calls every week from these clubs moaning and groaning about the fixture he has set , same auld , same auld all the time , i do agree that we should try and improve areas if we can but on the whole its down to the clubs.
There is only 1 reason why clubs cant field on a given sunday through the year and its because it doesnt suit them, maybe they have lost a couple of league games and think thats it now cant do nothing in the league lets wait for the championship , maybe its because they dont have a startin 15 , well thats down to not having committment from players, they dont take it seriously enough and thats down to how the clubs are run and the how the team is coached and managed.
Give the county board a break and sort out your own mess at your own clubs first , get your own house in order before ye come on here blaming everybody else.
Finbarrs cant field this sunday , its a championship semi final and they cant field ? does that mean that everything else has to be put back to suit them ? you have to ask how commited thier players are , ok they have a small panel , then they should be striving to win the inter and join the senior ranks where they will attarct more players , but no they are staying put , sticking in their own comfort zone . They will be talking about 2010 for years if marys get the walkover , moaning and groaning about how they were robbed , done over sticthed up , well tough lads the games there to b won , get on with it , do it yourselves and stop making excuses for your own failings, are some of these clubs doing anything to improve there own clubs postion , atrract players etc etc , well i dont think so, and until they do not matter about 2 divisions 3 divisons resereve leagues etc etc it still going to b the same auld story, BLAME EVERYBODY ELSE !

knowle (Roscommon) - Posts: 82 - 01/10/2010 16:27:52    788423

the meeting on monday night is to sort out fixtures for next year and beyond. some things we all agree on: no august games- over 80% of games set for this august didnt happen. the league should be pretty much done by the end of july- this is particularly the case for the smaller clubs like ourselves. in may/june/july we have 15+ lads out training on thursdays because the soccer/rugby seasons are over and the longer evenings. this is the time when we want games pretty much every week. although you're right in that a number of clubs need to sort themselves out regarding fielding for games it could be helped by a fixture list for all league games given out at the start of the season. the only way to accomodate this is for a separate reserve league to be set up. i fully support the proposal put forward by four masters and know from talking to most of the other junior/intermediate clubs that they too would welcome it.

i know a few people are on here saying the 3 tier system doesnt work and as it stands they are right but the only way we can move away from finding out on a monday whether you have a game on the following sunday is to put the resevrve sides into a separate league. as it happens half the games against these "reserve" sides dont actually happen. this year st brendans, egb and macs have yet to travel down to northampton and i cant see that happening now!!

northamptongaa (UK) - Posts: 5 - 01/10/2010 17:30:18    788473

northamptongaa, just like to point out you that macs have not been given a fixture against your club at any time this year in Northampton if we had we would have definatley travelled and fulfilled the fixture as we have on all ocasions in previous seasons

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 01/10/2010 21:37:38    788689

another great result for Macs today, under 16s won all britain final in ruislip today against Dulwich Harps, 11 pts to 1-2. Excellent result.

Well done to all of the panel, lots of good young lads coming through the ranks. Well done again lads, hopefully the seniors can add another all britain title over the coming weeks.

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 02/10/2010 14:57:24    788870

Yet another fixutres fiasco for Warwickshire today with all games being cancelled because of the weather. Accepted that adverse weather is outside the control of even the Warwickshire fixtures committee however it is October and I can't help but reflect on all those unused weekends during the Spring and Summer months. Fixtures at this time of year are largely about fulfilling them as opposed to players actually wanting to play in them.

If you are out of Championship as most clubs are bar Macs and have little or chance of winning the league what would motivate you to wish to play a game in miserable conditions when your club stopped training six or eight weeks ago. The games need to be played in the spring and summer months with the only outstanding fixutres being for those clubs still involved in the All Britain Club Championship.

The Warwickshire County Board must show some courage for the future of Gaelic Games in the county and be flexible on playing games on Friday / Sat / Sunday. Opposition to this format has been it would affect the income at the gate. This is an aged argument that no longer carries any weight. Attendance at the park is poor and outside of the regulars who would attend irrespective of the day, time or indeed weather conditions the income is largely brought in by the players themselves.

Simple message. We players want regular games played when clubs are training and therefore the standards on the park will be higher. Soccer pub leagues all around Birmingham can deliver this week in week out. Surely we are better than them.............

Decisionmaker (Donegal) - Posts: 4 - 03/10/2010 12:26:50    789155

Any reports on barnabas v go bragh game lads and lassies??

pinkpanther (Monaghan) - Posts: 37 - 04/10/2010 08:35:57    789550

It was a good game played in bad conditions , both teams looked tired after along season , with barnabas somewhat fortunate to come away with a point.
Having said that EGB should have made more of the possesion that they had especially in the first half , also with a strong wind and driving rain behind them, Barnabas seemed out of sorts for long periods with EGB winning all the breaking ball , Barnabas never gave up and managed to come from 4 points down in stoppage time to go 1pt up then egb scored a point with the last kick of the game. The big fella that came for barnabas at full forward ,with 10mins to go made the difference , scored a point staright away and fielded a high ball in that resulted in the penalty , no sign of frenchie , mchugh , morgan , o'regan , gaffney but they still had a strong panel , i cant beleive that EGB didnt have the bouncy castle out , the kids were well dissapointed, looks like the league is going down to the wire , casements must be strong favourites now having only lost 2 , with 2 to play against mitchel's and four masters

knowle (Roscommon) - Posts: 82 - 04/10/2010 16:48:13    789887