HERE HERE RuaHughONeill i fully agree with what you are saying.

tyronelady (Tyrone) - Posts: 43 - 26/01/2010 11:42:23    542666

Me too

Stevey_Fox (Tyrone) - Posts: 50 - 26/01/2010 17:14:46    543149

RuaHughONeil summed it up well great post.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 26/01/2010 17:30:05    543175

Rua's post is not good.
Prejudice is a failure to recognize an individual and I cannot see ho someone can call or freedom by barring a whole group of people they disagree with. I have been stopped roughed up questioned held as a shield etc etc but I will not now stop someone trying to police society even if it is in an organization whose roots I dislike and which is not perfect. What is? Remember Rory T O'Kelly who wanted to keep having a quiet drink? He was shot in the back of the head (if you remember). If you don't look up the record and let's learn with a bit of progressive tolerance.

cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 270 - 26/01/2010 20:52:37    543449

RuaHughONeill one of the most disgraceful posts I've read on these boards. Thankfully people like you are few and far between these days, most people are too intelligent for that now

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 27/01/2010 14:14:06    543912

ruahua o nail if a serving police officer was allowed to play on your team it would surely mean one of three things. 1 hes a reasonable footballer who enjoys his sport and wants to participate in gaelic games 2 hes a member of your parish probably a relation in someways or at least of a friend and or teammate.3 hes equally adept at the sport of the gaa as you. now if you voted with your feet at this poor guy being selected to play in your illustrious company then id suggest you and your outdated opinions wouldnt be that sorely missed. would you throw your rattle out of the pram at the selection of lets say a doctor or nurse employed and paid for by the british establishment (NHS)who in the course of their job had to treat british soldiers or god forbid policemen, let me guess you would. yur argument no longer stands self determination is on the way sunny jim, love it or leave.

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 27/01/2010 15:43:24    544020

Pomeroy Plunkett and Red Doctor - there is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said, it is an entirely legitimate point of view and I have absolutely no problem expressing it in public. I could not and would not play alongside a serving member of the PSNI, for the simple reason that he is upholding British law in Ireland.
I do not trust the PSNI so therefore I couldnt trust a PSNI officer playing along with me; for ideological reasons I will never play with a member of the PSNI or any of the rest of the British security forces - you can call me what you like but at least I am honest.

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 27/01/2010 17:05:45    544155

well expressing views in public under a pseudonym is an easy thing to do. Would you be as outspoken sitting with the rest of your teammates? What's your club? I respect what your saying, you give good reasons for your viewpoints but they're outdated. Move on

BobbyB (Tyrone) - Posts: 369 - 27/01/2010 17:41:14    544211

RuaHughONeill not one thing wrong with your posts and many agree and do not let others stop you having your views.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 27/01/2010 17:43:09    544214

RuaHughONeill you are completely entitled to your view. I respect someone who can put forward a legitimate statement and express it. However, i feel there are a few flaws in your argument. You talk about not playing alongside someone who upholds british law in Ireland, then this would apply to a great number of people. Take politicians for example, as we have devolved government in N.I which means westminster has ultimate rule still. What ever law is passed in N.I is still BRITISH law whether you want to argue with that are not. So, would you play alongside a Sinn Fein member? since he is upholding British law, when he and his party are involved in a piece of British legislation.

I just feel that what ever your view on the PSNI is, it is a job. People nowadays join because of the interest in policing matters not because its N.I and they want to shift the balance of Protestants to Catholics. If he/she wants to play GAA then who are you to stop them on the gorunds of your republican views?

joedon (Tyrone) - Posts: 79 - 27/01/2010 20:24:39    544385

BobbyB,
I have expressed my views in public along with many others in my club, recently and at the time of the debate on Rule 21 - it is a completely legitimate viewpoint held by the overwhelming majority of my teammates.


Joedon - thankfully I do not have to play alongside a Sinn Fein politician so that circumstance has never arisen; I would be in equal contempt of tham as much as a PSNI officer; however I have no right to stop anyone playing Gaelic Games and I never said I would stop them, what I did say is that I couldnt play along side them and I know many of my team mates feel the same.

This viewpoint is nothing to be ashamed of, Republicanism does not recognise a British police force in Ireland, it is a completely legitimate point of view. I make no apologies for that.

RuaHughONeill (Tyrone) - Posts: 110 - 28/01/2010 09:20:46    544499

Do you play alongside a Civil Servant? Or would you shun them to as they work for the Government that ultimately is ruled by Westminister? I genuinely feel sorry for you that you're unable to move on from this, it's 2010 man. But maybe you're right, let's shun Nationalists who join the Police and ultimately let's make the PSNI made solely of the one religion just like the RUC. That would be much better yeah

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 28/01/2010 12:18:58    544693

Same old story...
armalite in one hand and a Man Utd jersey on the other

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 28/01/2010 13:10:17    544761

Red Hugh has made some valid enough points although I may not agree with them all, I can see his point. I personally would like to see the day when it isn't an issue but presently this is not the case. As it stands there are to my knowledge (I could stand to be corrected) no serving police officers playing with any tyrone clubs . Only until this situation develops can we analyse what effects it will have on teams. It may not be a problem in some clubs but there are many that may not think that way.

What would happen if a club with a new psni recruit had a league game with a club that didn't necessarily agree with it? What can you do about the supporters along the sideline? Its alright making generalised statements about supporting this and that and Oh it happens in other counties so there shouldn't be any problem with it in Tyrone. I'm not so sure. Thats the reality of it.

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 28/01/2010 13:40:42    544815

Too right lads and Brian Cowen and Mary Mc Aleese should not be in Croke Park on all Ireland final day as they are members of a partitionist government.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 29/01/2010 11:15:48    545767

So let me get this right, some of you refuse to accept the PSNI, and reject nationalists/ gaa members who join.
So what would you like in its place? No claptrap about a united irish force because that is unrealistic.

You want a police force that is representative of the community? That is more level and balanced in terms of nationalist/ unionist?
Well then encourage people to join. The only way you can address the imbalance to to takecontrol and do something about it. Not just sit down and refuse to act like a child.

Or perhaps you want a new police force made up of nationalists, who because they were not allowed in the PSNI, they have NO experience and the country falls apart. Intelligence seems to be sidestepped with some of your theories.

You want a police force that includes nationalists, that embraces the nationalist culture, that encourages the use of the likes of the irish language and gaa sports and culture? So extremists attack the PSNIs gaa playing irish speaking representative. Yeah good move, attack the people who we want the police force made up off. That'll encourage more to join.

To move forward you need to get up and do something proactive. You are all mouthing but wont do anything to try and improve the PSNI, the controls or the make up of it, just blindly try to destroy it because its "British". Well, get real ,you are legally part of the UK, will be all your life, your little Irish passport may kid yourself but you should try and make the place better instead of draggin it down.

Extremism in the middle east or in pomeroy is futile and does not include intelligence, just ignorance, stupidity and the lack of understanding or comprimise.

gottabetrue (Tyrone) - Posts: 300 - 29/01/2010 16:01:09    546151

As a Pomeroy native, I'll not settle until the Gardai are the police force in the North. Like yer man mugsy said in his earlier post, Not many policemen playing for clubs in Tyrone. Anyone ever ask why?

murphys_law (Tyrone) - Posts: 193 - 29/01/2010 16:36:28    546193

murphys_law
County: Tyrone
Posts: 162

I heard you applied but failed the exam

BobbyB (Tyrone) - Posts: 369 - 29/01/2010 16:48:15    546215

The "little Irish passport" means alot to many people.You know that already,thats why you made the snide remark.You sound like one of those middle class types who went to a mixed school and don't really know whether you are a nationalist or a unionist.Maybe you are indifferent about it all.The sit on the fence type who is good at preaching to others and whose solutions to these problems are taken straight out of the election manifesto of the Alliance Party.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 30/01/2010 11:45:06    546730

"The sit on the fence type who is good at preaching to others........"

By that description you are obviously referring to those who choose not to accept labels on the extremes. I find some of the views expressed on this thread repugnant however everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how unpopular it is. Things break down however when individuals enforce their opinion on others. That is always wrong and no decent society can be built upon such unstable foundations. Live and let live I say, let your football do the talking!

caughtredhanded (Tyrone) - Posts: 602 - 31/01/2010 21:38:46    547811