Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1743



Like I said, I am not wasting my time. Do it yourself, and take a cursory glance at their international records


I took a glance.

C. Ronaldo, 12 qualifying games for the 2010 world cup, no goals.

David Healy 14 goals in a European qualifying campaign.

Wow!!!! Who is this Healy guy, he must be the greatest ever.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 05/01/2010 17:54:29    525081

Yet more examples of celtic fans desperate to be offended by anything, so they can justify their victim mentality which in fairness is getting kind of old now

nocky sorry to break it to you but the title 'Boyd breezes past Larssons record' is the title of the article as it appeared in the Irish Times, i assume that it refers to the fact that he scored 5 in the game so not just breaking the record but 'breezing' past it so to speak. Id recommend that you take up your anger with the editor, im sure she would be delighted to hear of the terrible injustice that both yourself and henrik have suffered.

Corkcelt - i appreciate your thanks about starting threads about celtic, however surely this thread was about Kris Boyd not celtic? It was of course hijacked by bitter celtic fans. Funny the exact same posters are criticising others on the old firm thread for doing the exact same thing. Who knew celtic fans were hypocrites???

As for ignoring me corkcelt, you couldnt do it if you tried...and believe me i know you have ;)

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/01/2010 18:35:24    525117

What gets me BadMonkey is why you actually think that those on this site would actually want to discuss Kris Boyd and his merits (what little there is) I have changed my opinion from my post suggesting that you were not trying a wind up. As is pretty clear there is a large Celtic following on thi site, and the rest tend not to follow Scottish football. Why then did you feel it necessary to start he thread?

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 05/01/2010 19:40:42    525186

Question for bad.monkey: do you honestly, honestly believe Kris Boyd is "a truly great player"?

I suspect you don't, otherwise you are in a minority of two: yourself and Kris Boyd being the two. The rest of the human population of the earth and the dogs in the street will tell you he's overweight, has a deluded sense of his own importance and is a notorious diver. He is decent at taking penalties, however, and at scoring tap-ins from six yards against the many small teams in the SPL. For some reason though he can't score in European competition or against Celtic.

Henrik Larsson scored 15goals vs. Rangers and did manage to score in European competition in his glittering career, including two in the UEFA Cup Final (and two assists in the Champions League Final) - the mark of a truly great player.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 05/01/2010 19:46:29    525193

bad.monkey. Never claimed to be ignoring you, just your views. Whenever we got into a factual debate you just stopped posting once I proved you wrong. Example on a thread a few weeks ago you claimed that it was Celtic Supporters who rioted in the "Love Ulster Dublin Riots" and claimed they had been watching an Old Firm Game and rioted afterwards. When I pointed out that The Old Firm game was played 2 weeks before the above mentioned Riots, that was it, no response from you whatever. As I said, into the future, if you start a thread with Celtic implications I am most happy to post on same, but believe me anything you say is like water off a Duck's back to me.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 05/01/2010 20:01:48    525208

thistle_harps
County: UK
Posts: 371

524738 I never seen Larsson play, but from tv highlights there was nigth and day between him and Boyd. I seen Boyd three times against the Jags and he broke our hearts by poaching an equalizer apart from that he was largely anonymous in all the games. I also believe he is in his comfort zone and follows in the tradition of Ally McCoist, who was nicknamed the three pin plug due to his inabaility to work in Europe. McCosit faile to make it with Sunderland and I think Bpyd would be the same with Birmingham.

3 pin plug!! Boom Boom. You've made my day Thistle. Class

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 05/01/2010 20:49:56    525264

04/01/2010 20:38:24
corkcelt
County: Cork
Posts: 1375

524375 Haven't met that many of them Duffy but yes any of them that I have spoken to, I got on fine with them. I've been in Bairds in the Barrowlands ,a renowned Celtic pub before Celtic/Hibs games and have seen Hibs supporters sitting there drinking pints amongst hordes of Celts and not a bit of notice taken of them.


I alway's thought they disliked Celtic.Bairds is a fine pub,like what they done with the inside of it.

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 05/01/2010 21:47:25    525299

05/01/2010 17:54:29
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 6462

525081
Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1743



Like I said, I am not wasting my time. Do it yourself, and take a cursory glance at their international records


I took a glance.

C. Ronaldo, 12 qualifying games for the 2010 world cup, no goals.

David Healy 14 goals in a European qualifying campaign.

Wow!!!! Who is this Healy guy, he must be the greatest ever.
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

This is why there is no point arguing with patrique - if you are that selective with statistics you can "prove" virtually anything.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 05/01/2010 22:14:22    525331

nocky
County: Wexford
Posts: 939

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Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

This is why there is no point arguing with patrique - if you are that selective with statistics you can "prove" virtually anything.



Well spotted Nocky.

That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make to Breffni when he suggested using statistics.

At least my efforts were not entirely in vain.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 05/01/2010 22:26:30    525349

Sorry patrique i meant Semi-Final v Brazil.

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 06/01/2010 01:19:32    525487

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 6475

Well spotted Nocky.

That is EXACTLY the point I was trying to make to Breffni when he suggested using statistics.

At least my efforts were not entirely in vain

You resorted to the old tried and tested "david healy/twinkie defense" in your argument, yawn.

I suppose you're right though, statistics are irrelevant, sports analysis should really be based on juvenile bitter grudges and constant embarrassing attempts at sounding clever.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 06/01/2010 10:20:45    525555

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 563

525487 Sorry patrique i meant Semi-Final v Brazil.

Jon, you're supposed to put BRAZIL in caps like patrique does when he desperately tries to prove that Jo, Elano and Robinho are world class. I mean, they play for BRAZIL. A BRAZILIAN not playing for BRAZIL in a world cup semi-final is of course better than someone who scores the winner in a world cup semi-final against BRAZIL and cannot cut it at international level.

This the the crazy logic that Patrique is forcing on us on a daily basis.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12291 - 06/01/2010 10:31:14    525559

Hilarious some of the comments saying boyd was afraid to go and play in a proper and then praising henrik larsson....

Larsson was a decent player, nothing more. When he went to play for big teams in big leagues he couldnt get his game, he spent his whole time in manchester and barcelona on the bench.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/01/2010 18:50:56    526150

I actually know a good few omaghredhand, guys who started and/or are heavily involved in celtic supporters clubs, and to be honest these guys are the worst. They are arrogant, ignorant and know very little about football, but they will bend ur ear with rubbish stories about the time they showed the rangers fans, etc etc. 99% is a figure of speech, i didnt interview all celtic fans and do a pie chart... However, I will say that every single one of the fans I have met indulge in 'we hate rangers' waffle. Funny enough it never seems to be caused by the football they play.


In a feeble attempt to convince others that the their club has finally turned its back on sectarianism Rangers fans like to list the names of their Catholic players. To do so misses the point entirely.

This is exactly the stuff im talking about. 'Feeble attempt', as if they are secretly burning irish flags down in the cellar! Its making it into something it isnt. Same old story. Do you also hate athletico bilbao for their policy of signing only basque players? Celtic and rangers have been and always will be pub-talker's clubs. Guys who have more interest in some exaggerated nonsense than the football the club plays


RLF, everyone, including you, know that myself and paddyogall are not the same person. That comment was just an attempt to discredit us as we were agreeing that you were wrong. What will you try this time?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/01/2010 20:02:44    526210

Your attempts to wind-up Celtic fans are becoming more and more laughable bad.monkey.

Larsson dedicated his whole career to Celtic, despite the opportunity to earn more money elsewhere. He was past his prime when he left for Barcelona, and he then tore knee ligaments. But despite this injury and his age, Barcelona still took up the option to extend his contract. When he played, he scored goals. Then there's the champions league final - I'm sure you've heard what Thierry Henry said about the Barcelona strikers that day, but in case you haven't here is his quote:

"People always talk about Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Giuly and everything, but I didn't see them today, I saw Henrik Larsson. He came on, he changed the game, that is what killed the game. Sometimes you talk about Ronaldinho and Eto'o and people like that; you need to talk about the proper footballer who made the difference, and that was Henrik Larsson".

Larsson then refused a further contract offer from Barcelona, deciding to return to his hometown club. His loan spell with United is regarded by all observers as a huge success, he scored in the FA Cup, Premier League and Champions League for them in his brief time there. Sir Alex wanted to extend his loan spell, but Larsson kept his word to Helsingborgs and returned to Sweden.

His international record speaks for itself, he scored in 3 different world cups (and Sweden failed to qualify for one of the world cups in between). Larsson achieved all this despite suffering some horrific injuries during his career. Almost every football commentator agrees that he, to use your terminology "a truly great player", something which hasn't been applied to Kris Boyd by anyone but your good self.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 06/01/2010 20:27:16    526230

so when boyd stays in scotland he is afraid to go play in the premiership but when larsson does it he is dedicating his career to celtic!!! - typical hypocritical celtic rubbish

so larsson dedicated his career to celtic and yet boyd has already breezed past his scoring record...doesnt say much for larsson does it?...

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/01/2010 22:00:01    526320

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 563

525487
Sorry patrique i meant Semi-Final v Brazil.


That was even worse than the hand ball, he was about 25 yards off side, having cheated Spain in the previous match.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 06/01/2010 22:49:20    526399

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 1763


I suppose you're right though, statistics are irrelevant, sports analysis should really be based on juvenile bitter grudges and constant embarrassing attempts at sounding clever.


You use what you like Breffni, I just use MY eyes, rather than let the media influence me.


PS: The emphasis on BRAZIL was in comparison to MAN CITY. Anyone who knows anything about football would know that.

Put it this way, I doubt if the Man City 2008-09 team would be favourites for the world cup this year.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 06/01/2010 22:52:33    526410

When will you ever learn monkey? Larsson had offers from big clubs in Europe during his time at Celtic - if he was good enough for Barcelona at 33 and Man United at 35, surely he would have been even better in the prime of his career? Man. United and Barca are two of Europe's bigest clubs I think you'll have to agree.

Boyd turned down/lost out on a move to Birmingham City (a championship club) last January, because he was looking for too much money. Who is chasing the "great player" now? Middlesboro, and French "giants" Sochaux. Rangers are desperate to flog him for circa E2million to keep Lloyds happy.

Boyd hasn't surpassed Larsson's Scottish scoring record either, he has merely surpassed Larsson's SPL record. Let me explain for you further - I think corkcelt explained it before, but you seem to be having trouble comprehending. Do you remember or understand how the old First Division in England was rebranded as the Premier League in 1992? Well a similar thing happened in Scotland with the formation in 1998 or the SPL, which replaced the old "Scottish Football League Premier Division". Jimmy McRory is in fact the all-time leading scorer in Scottish League football, Boyd only has 251 more goals to score to surpass his record of 410 league goals.

As I pointed out to you before, Boyd didn't "breeze" past the artificial SPL scoring record, he has played in 2 more "SPL" seasons than Larsson, and Larsson was injured for almost an entire season in his 7. He has yet to score for Rangers against Celtic (and has just one solitary goal against them for Killie) and has never scored in European competition. Yes, the mark of a truly great player alright.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 06/01/2010 23:00:47    526418

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtDVb_joFZA

Well patrique could you use those media-proof eyes and take a look at this video at exactly 34 seconds, look down the line and you'll see Henry onside.

What say you now?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 07/01/2010 00:27:39    526509