Well, we have 4 candidates. 1991 - 1995: DERRY In those 5 years Dery in 1991 lost to Down in Ulster in a replay. Down won the All Ireland. In 92 they lost narrowly to Donegal, who won sam. In 93 they won the lot, 94 lost to Down who won Sam, and in 95 lost to Tyrone, unlucky not to win Sam. Southern counties feared them throughout the decade, and in those five years, with a back door, might have won 3 all Ireland's. DOWN 1991-95: Won the lot in 91 and 94. In 92 lost to Derry, a top two team, and in 1993 it was Derry again. Derry of course won sam that year. ARMAGH: 1999-2003; in thoswe 5 years Armagh lost in 99 too the winners Meath, in 2000 to the winners Kerry, in 01 to the winners galway, won it in 02, and lost the final in 03. So in all 5 years they only lost to the winners. TYRONE: 2003-07: In 03 Tyrone won the lot. In 04 they lost to Donegal, and then were well beaten by Mayo, who went on to reach the final. In o5 Tyrone won via the back door, having lost in Ulster to Armagh. In 06 they were well beaten by Derry, and then Laois. In 2007 they won Ulster, but l;ost to Meath in the knckouts. Sooooo............ Armagh only lost to all Ireland winners in the five years, and Derry lost to winners, apart from Tyrone in 95. Down were neck and neck with derry over their five years, the two best teams in the land. Tyrone blew hot and cold, losing to also rans in-between their success. So to rate them, I would have to go with..... Down Armagh Derry Tyrone.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/12/2009 00:47:22    522754

Give Tyrone their credit no one else from Ulster has won 3 All Irelands in that time. Their record at under age levels is great also.

That was a great Down team in the early 90's, the Derry team at same time too. How many would these teams have won with a 'back door'?

Armagh were so consistent for a long period but didn't win as much as they should have.

blu (Down) - Posts: 1240 - 02/01/2010 11:15:14    522813

Has to be Tyrone frist 3all irelands in 6years then armagh ,down derry, donegal

dannyone (Mayo) - Posts: 176 - 02/01/2010 12:16:02    522826

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Patrique how come tyrone only stretches from 2003 to 2007?? also you make no mention of tyrone beating the reigning all ireland champions in all 3 finals?? 2 be fair i dont really care that you rate us 4th as we all know you are wrong, thats not 2 say that down or derry wouldnt have won more than 1 and 2 all irelands if their had been a back door but if thats your mindset then whos 2 say tyrone would'nt have won more all irelands were it not 4 the amount of injuries they had in 06 and 07 and god rest him the death of thier captain and leader cormac mcanallen in 2004 i could be wrong but thats just my view.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 12:34:42    522844

it has to be Down team of the 1990's closely followed by the Derry team of the 1990's. Tyrone come third. My reasons being: 1. no back door for Down and Derry in the 1990's, Tyrone lost matches in 2005/2008, (although to be fair to tyrone they were robbed of an ulster title in 2005). 2: Teams of the 1990's won their all irelands by playing football, no gamesmanship. 3. Virtually no diving/ feigning injury in the 1990's. 4. no screaming in referees face during match to in attempt to influence his refereeing. JUST FOOTBALL. Linden, Breen, McCartan, Blaney, Carr, Mason, and Tohill, Downey, McGurk, McNicholl, Brolly, McGilligan. If anyone wants to argue that these two teams are not the greatest, watch the first round of 1994 ulster championship when these two teams served up, arguably, the greatest gaelic football match of all time.

rgu_gael (Down) - Posts: 9 - 02/01/2010 13:02:45    522856

Donegal

allstar4 (Donegal) - Posts: 558 - 02/01/2010 13:07:35    522859

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I do agree with some of your post but 1 thing the teams of the 90s had that was an even bigger advantage than tyhe back door is that they hadnt got 2 beat kerry who were having a bit of a famine or else 1 hell of a party after hammering tyrone in 86, i aint saying u gotta beat kerry 2 win an all ireland but it does add credability when you win your sams when the kingdom are also competing after all they are the bench mark 4 every other county.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 13:29:55    522872

A ridiculous thread! Why 20 years? And not 25? Oh, yeah that would have brought in the 1986 Tyrone team. "Tyrone 2003-2007". And what about 2008? I for one am sick of such wind-ups on HS. And don't tell me I don't have to read them if I don't like them, as it's only by reading them that I actually discover that I've really wasted my time by doing so. So for 2010 if posters haven't anything worthwhile or constructive to contribute to a thread, then keep it zipped.

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 02/01/2010 13:30:12    522873

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well said i knew rightly this was a wind up but still end up replying

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 13:50:13    522877

Well said shoulderghost. What a shameless excuse for a thread, contrived for one reason and one reason only- to discredit Tyrone and wind-up their followers on here. I expect nothing more from Patrique... The single most mischevious poster I have had the misfortune of reading on the site.

Yer Man (None) - Posts: 286 - 02/01/2010 14:24:10    522889

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Patrique how come tyrone only stretches from 2003 to 2007?


That is 5 years.

You could try 04-08 but you get the same result.

And thanks for some information. until today I thought ALL teams had injuries.

Now I know it was just Tyrone.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 14:39:35    522894

Tyrone.

Galway11 (Galway) - Posts: 570 - 02/01/2010 14:40:34    522895

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522894 duke_raul
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patrique
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Patrique how come tyrone only stretches from 2003 to 2007?


That is 5 years.

Yes it is 5 years u can count lol, but i thought we were talking about the best teams of the last 20 years and u talk about tyrone and their achievements, now maybe im wrong but would 2008 the year they won their third all ireland not be worth a mention?? If this was a valid thread then u would have to include that. Patrique for some1 ur age u really should grow up.

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 15:48:27    522931

02/01/2010 15:48:27
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t i thought we were talking about the best teams of the last 20 years and u talk about tyrone and their achievements, now maybe im wrong but would 2008 the year they won their third all ireland not be worth a mention??


Yes, you are wrong. We are talking about the best team, not County. Just as the Kerry all Ireland winners of 2000 bear little resemblance to the Kerry all Ireland winners of 2009, Tyrone in 2003 is a completely different team to Tyrone 2008, especially up front.

Personally I thought the 2008 version to be well behind the 2003-07 teams, so I was being kind.

And of course, all of this is my opinion, it is not gospel. I know many on here believe firmly in my wisdom as though I was infallible, but that is taking things a little bit too far.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 16:50:46    522960

Excellent thread Patrique.

A lot of people have made favourable comparisons between the Tyrone team of the noughties and the Derry team of the early nineties. To be honest, I think Derry would win every time. The introduction of the back door was a blessing for teams like Tyrone, that way they could put in one bad performance every year and still win Sam. If the back door was around back then, who knows how many All-Irelands Derry would have won.

My order:

Derry
Down
Armagh
Tyrone

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 02/01/2010 17:12:03    522976

2003: J Devine; C Gourley, C McAnallen, R McMenamin; C Gormley, G Devlin, P Jordan; K Hughes, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, G Cavlan; E McGinley, P Canavan, O Mulligan. Subs: S O'Neill, B McGuigan, C Holmes, P Canavan, C Lawn.

2005 - P McConnell; R McMenamin, J McMahon, M McGee; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; E McGinley, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, R Mellon; P Canavan, S O'Neill, O Mulligan. Subs - C Holmes, C Lawn


2008 - P McConnell; R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes, E McGinley; B Dooher, M Penrose, R Mellon; T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh. Subs - S O Neill, K Hughes, B McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh.


Yes Patrique i can see that from 2003 to 2005 and then 2008 are completly different teams there has always been the sa me backbone 2 this tyrone team, there were a few changes made after cormac rip, when hughes took a year out in 2005, when canavan retired and when stevie o neill retired and then returned, yes changes were made but completly different teams??? NO

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 17:38:34    522986

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2003: J Devine; C Gourley, C McAnallen, R McMenamin; C Gormley, G Devlin, P Jordan; K Hughes, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, G Cavlan; E McGinley, P Canavan, O Mulligan. Subs: S O'Neill, B McGuigan, C Holmes, P Canavan, C Lawn.

2005 - P McConnell; R McMenamin, J McMahon, M McGee; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; E McGinley, S Cavanagh; B Dooher, B McGuigan, R Mellon; P Canavan, S O'Neill, O Mulligan. Subs - C Holmes, C Lawn


2008 - P McConnell; R McMenamin, Justin McMahon, Joe McMahon; D Harte, C Gormley, P Jordan; C Holmes, E McGinley; B Dooher, M Penrose, R Mellon; T McGuigan, S Cavanagh, C McCullagh. Subs - S O Neill, K Hughes, B McGuigan, O Mulligan, C Cavanagh.



Thank you. I didn't realise they were nearly totally different.

Looking at 03 and 08 up front I see 5 (FIVE) changes out of 6. That is nearly 85%.

Thanks for this Duke. Now you know why I used 03-07.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 18:26:49    523023

duke_raul i wouldnt give patrique the time of day! he's just another spillane that hates everything about tyrone. seriously, you shouldnt even comment on any of his threads. up the murtin!!

moortownspuds (Tyrone) - Posts: 336 - 02/01/2010 20:11:19    523078

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duke_raul i wouldnt give patrique the time of day! he's just another spillane that hates everything about tyrone


That is not true. I LURVE and adore Ardboe.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 02/01/2010 20:46:09    523102

It's still the same core bunch of players patrique from the 97-98 minor winning team with a few changes on each all ireland winning team, the team doesnt just consist of the 6 fowards dont try and tell me they are all completly different sides yes their are changes obviously but there arent so many changes that you can say u cant count the 2008 winning sides achievements along with the previous 2, as usual u cant make a valid post without trying 2 have a dig at tyrone in a sly way which you always do, why exactly have u a chip on your shoulder patriqe??? from the 2003 team there are 11 players who featured in the 2008 final it would have been 12 were it not 4 the bereavement in john devines family thats over 2 thirds hardly completly different teams are they???

duke_raul (Tyrone) - Posts: 993 - 02/01/2010 20:55:16    523112