06/12/2009 03:26:43
Cranky360
County: Mayo
Posts: 725

504577 Let me see..................2 in 10 car crashes causing a fatality is non-irish.............most cheat the weldare system........and the most of them couldn't be bothered working because of the system we have in place. That's not racist, it's the truth but it's not their fault really, we have left all the loop holes open for them to abuse..............

I hope for the sake of humanity and Ireland that this is a WUM/Trolling?!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/12/2009 12:12:59    504658

06/12/2009 11:33:34
Cavan_Slasher
County: Cavan
Posts: 3430

504635 I do not believe that there are many racists on these boards at all !! I think that people are just putting their own countrymen first !!

I don't necessarily object to that, provided the intentions are honest. However, some of the comments here were nothing to do with that and were aimed at trying to blame foreign workers for defrauding the state.

But you probably have a point as Ireland was a veritable untopia with no law breaking or corruption until the last 90s when foreign workers started to arrive here!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/12/2009 12:15:38    504660

There are 'foreigners' who work honestly and hard and there are 'Irish' who do so too. There are 'foreigners' who take advantage of the system and there are 'Irish' who do so too.

The conclusion...

There are 'people' who who work honestly and hard and there are 'people' who take advantage of the system too!

Simples!!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/12/2009 12:20:09    504662

06/12/2009 03:26:43
Cranky360
County: Mayo
Posts: 725

504577
Let me see..................2 in 10 car crashes causing a fatality is non-irish.............most cheat the weldare system........and the most of them couldn't be bothered working because of the system we have in place. That's not racist, it's the truth but it's not their fault really, we have left all the loop holes open for them to abuse..............
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Wow. Just when I thought people wouldn't stoop any lower. Cavan Slasher, open your eyes man, this is not "putting our own countrymen first". There is only one word for this unfounded negative stereotyping of non-nationals: R-A-C-I-S-M. Sad.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 06/12/2009 12:27:06    504667

Dellboypolecat County: Tyrone Posts: 8073 My point is he should not be in the game if he is like this and is he french. Hardly putting his own countrymen first there, Dell --- and how some of his posts aren't blocked I don't know. Duffy on the other hand might just be having trouble articulating his point.

Sisco87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 759 - 06/12/2009 12:35:11    504672

To both sides - a very learned man once said :-

Treat everyone with politeness
even those who are rude to you,
not because they are not nice
but because you are nice.


If you want to be respected,you should be lenient,
If you want to be disrespectful, you may be severe.


Could we all now practice the above.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 06/12/2009 13:38:44    504739

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2876
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Surely sarcasm? Ha Ha ha, NI and ingerland the template for a tolerant law abiding society?

Well, Northern Ireland have the most laws on the subject, needed due to religious intolerance as well.

England is more or less a multi-cultural society with VERY strict racist laws.

An 8 year old was ARRESTED in Manchester last year, for having a gollywog or something at school, seriously.

And do you know those "Notre Dame" university baseball caps, with the little, stupid looking fighting leprechaun on them? Two people were arrested in London for wearing those as they demean the Irish. Seriously.

So they might go a bit over the top with the law in England, not with the baseball cap but with the 8 year old, but they do actively promote a tolerant society.

It was Britain after all who abolished the slave trade.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 06/12/2009 15:03:57    504832

06/12/2009 15:03:57 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5967 504832 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 2876 . Surely sarcasm? Ha Ha ha, NI and ingerland the template for a tolerant law abiding society? Well, Northern Ireland have the most laws on the subject, needed due to religious intolerance as well. England is more or less a multi-cultural society with VERY strict racist laws. LAWS MEAN NOTHING - IT'S ACTION AND THE ACTION IS RACIST!! An 8 year old was ARRESTED in Manchester last year, for having a gollywog or something at school, seriously. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING??? And do you know those "Notre Dame" university baseball caps, with the little, stupid looking fighting leprechaun on them? Two people were arrested in London for wearing those as they demean the Irish. Seriously. So they might go a bit over the top with the law in England, not with the baseball cap but with the 8 year old, but they do actively promote a tolerant society. It was Britain after all who abolished the slave trade. Will ye give up your nonsense!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/12/2009 16:02:54    504869

Patrique you lived in the north of england before so im sure you know of the degree of racism there.

im currently living in east london very white working class area some people ive talked to have quite racist opinions mind you not as brusque as northern irish loyalists. however itll be a long time before theres a black or asian prime minister here.

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 06/12/2009 16:36:12    504919

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2877

504662 There are 'foreigners' who work honestly and hard and there are 'Irish' who do so too. There are 'foreigners' who take advantage of the system and there are 'Irish' who do so too.

The conclusion...

There are 'people' who who work honestly and hard and there are 'people' who take advantage of the system too!

Simples!!!

Real Louth Fan
That pretty much sums it up.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 06/12/2009 17:31:31    504999

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2878

504869
06/12/2009 15:03:57
patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 5967

504832 Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2876
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Will ye give up your nonsense!


Is your nick name the Ostrich? All of the above is TRUE.

And Stranmillis, yes you will find instances of racism in England, especially during a recession as the bosses get the workers blaming each other, but have a dander around say West Ham's location, setting for Alf Garnett all those years ago.

A true, multi-cultured society.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 06/12/2009 20:12:08    505240

06/12/2009 20:12:08 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5974 yes you will find instances of racism in England, especially during a recession as the bosses get the workers blaming each other, Aha Aha Aha..so now employers are responsible for racism??!! Employers invented racism I suppose??!! I tell ye one thing patrique you certainly know how to gather support!!! Employers, in the private sector (all over the world) care only about one thing - PROFIT! And like it or not profit is the great leveller!!! Employers care not a jot for racial discrimination. If the job gets done then that's all that counts! Racism in the workplace is the preserve of those with little to be doing except pontificating about such nonsense. Don't forget that one of the main reasons for the BNP getting 2 democratically elected MEPs was the defection of working class voters from labour to the BNP!!! Racism is as old as man kind and there isn't any one country worse or better than anybody else at it. Yes we all know the UK, well London anyway, is a multi-cultural society. So too is Paris, Amsterdam, New York, parts of Turkey and Indonesia and many many more places. The Brits are no better or worse at it than anybody else and given the fact that race riots still occur there and idiots like the English Defence League and British paramilitaries in Northern Ireland have very very strong links to neo Nazi groups they are not an example of best practice by any stretch of the imagination! Laws mean nothing unless respected. Paper will always take ink...

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 06/12/2009 21:20:28    505303

06/12/2009 21:20:28 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 2880 505303 06/12/2009 20:12:08 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5974 yes you will find instances of racism in England, especially during a recession as the bosses get the workers blaming each other, Aha Aha Aha..so now employers are responsible for racism??!! Employers invented racism I suppose??!! Yep, you are now starting to understand. In N.Ireland they used sectarianism to fool and keep the protestant working class downtrodden for years, in the southern states of America they used racism to keep the "poor white trash" downtrodden, and it is only during a recession that you hear of racism in England, and it is only during the recession in Ireland that people are upset. No one objected to migrant labour when the Tiger was rampant. So look for the common denominator.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 07/12/2009 01:35:34    505541

Patrique


And Stranmillis, yes you will find instances of racism in England, especially during a recession as the bosses get the workers blaming each other,
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Most racism that I have witnessed tends to eminate not from workers but from the don't want to work aimed at foreign nationals who are doing min wage jobs that they themselves would not want even if vacant. Fast food restaurants at 3.00 am are a good example

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 07/12/2009 09:13:33    505602

Why do the people posting against racism seem to think that having an opinion on a race-related matter is automatically racist?

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 07/12/2009 11:10:28    505680

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 536

505680 Why do the people posting against racism seem to think that having an opinion on a race-related matter is automatically racist?
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At last, someone with a bit of sense, I have been trying to get the same point across, but maybe I have waffled a bit along the way!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 07/12/2009 12:19:16    505741

07/12/2009 12:19:16
brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1352

505741
JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 536

Why do the people posting against racism seem to think that having an opinion on a race-related matter is automatically racist?
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At last, someone with a bit of sense, I have been trying to get the same point across, but maybe I have waffled a bit along the way!
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Lads, have ye read some of the posts on here? Posts where the entire population of eastern Europe and Africa were stereotyped as lazy, scrounging layabouts? Posts where all Muslims were branded terrorists. Posts where all the French people were labelled cheaters...

No, having an opinion on a race-related matter does not automatically make someone racist, but many people's "opinions" on here are clearly racist.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 07/12/2009 12:36:35    505764

Yes nocky some posts are undoubtedly racist but patrique opened the thread by stating that he was embarrassed to be Irish, and stated in another thread that the Irish people are racist??

So if we are to take the logic out of that: Assuming a tiny minority of the posters on the forum are racist then it is ok to brand the Irish as racists.. Therefore it stands to reason that since Henry/Anelka cheated that the French are cheats and that if some foreign workers scam the social welfare that all foreigners in Ireland are here to abuse the system.

I sincerly hope that the Irony is intentional..

Inactive x5 (Cavan) - Posts: 1452 - 07/12/2009 15:27:08    505988

Well if you want to be pedantic JonSmith, let's examine your last post again.

JonSmith
County: Cavan
Posts: 536

Why do the people posting against racism seem to think that having an opinion on a race-related matter is automatically racist?
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This implies that you are talking about all posters who have condemned the many racist posts. Nothing about patrique's opening post here. Nobody said that the majority of Irish people are racists (people have, however, said that most immigrants are criminals), but judging from the posts on here and from the personal experiences of many posters there certainly is a real problem with racism in this country.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 07/12/2009 15:51:48    506040

07/12/2009 01:35:34 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5982 505541 06/12/2009 21:20:28 Real Louth fan County: Louth Posts: 2880 505303 06/12/2009 20:12:08 patrique County: Antrim Posts: 5974 yes you will find instances of racism in England, especially during a recession as the bosses get the workers blaming each other, Aha Aha Aha..so now employers are responsible for racism??!! Employers invented racism I suppose??!! Yep, you are now starting to understand. In N.Ireland they used sectarianism to fool and keep the protestant working class downtrodden for years, in the southern states of America they used racism to keep the "poor white trash" downtrodden, and it is only during a recession that you hear of racism in England, and it is only during the recession in Ireland that people are upset. No one objected to migrant labour when the Tiger was rampant. So look for the common denominator. Simply not true. We had leaders of the Irish left scaremongering people with stories of displacement and creating racist feeling. This was not done nby employers. Rightly or wrongly employers only care about profit!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 07/12/2009 16:19:27    506083