I think you have the blinkers on there albert...Apart from the 4 or 5 top teams in senior there is not that much between the rest of football in monaghan. Junior is the toughest to get out of and any of the teams that do get out do well in inter and against the teams that come down from senior so get off your high horse and show respect to the other clubs who you probably never seen. Take our club for example. The reason we cant get out is we have no forwards good enough to see out games for us. Last year we finished top of junior with an average of 11 points for and 7 points against... This says our games are won defensively and this year we were missing our best defenders Niall McCooey,Gavin McKenna,Paul Reilly and Shane Corr and couldnt cope with holding teams in the second half. We were winning a lot of games at half time and got well beaten in the end. I think the seans and currin fellas will back me up on that one. So the reason junior clubs are junior is more to do with strength in depth. The clubs just dont have a big group of players to pick from,so dont be slagging off. Id rather be playing junior week in week out than sitting on a clontiberet bench taking glory and medals and only being a bit part player. How many Clontibret men can go home and look at their medals and really say I deserved this.

new_bliss (Monaghan) - Posts: 88 - 03/12/2009 18:17:18    502157

to tell you the truth Clontibret's B team would be well able to put it up to any junior team in the county and would definitely finish in the top four of the junior league!!!

boc1595 (Monaghan) - Posts: 71 - 03/12/2009 19:06:35    502218

gggg i think you left Anthony Rooney out of your team. I think he would be worthy of a starting position.

boc1595 (Monaghan) - Posts: 71 - 03/12/2009 19:11:19    502224

boc what planet are you on you obviously never kicked a ball in your life reading those comments

clonescyclone (Monaghan) - Posts: 15 - 03/12/2009 20:16:18    502298

thanks boc knew i forgot someone. so this is the team
1:Paul McElroy
2:Eoin Greenan
3: Colum Greenan
4: Colin Duffy
5: Darach Mooney(dick clerkin)
6: Dessie Mone
7: Martin Corey
8: Vinnie Corey
9: JP Mone
10: John Golden
11: Paul McGuigan
12: Anthony Rooney
13: Fergal Mone
14: Conor McManus
15: Rodney Gorman

now boc dont be getting carried away clontibret seniors would be well able to beat all of junior but there is no way there B team would stand a chance

gggg (Monaghan) - Posts: 225 - 03/12/2009 20:29:17    502306

Albert
I would advise you to throw it out the window with your mindset on junior.Alot of all time greats were junior clubmen.

edd1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 35 - 03/12/2009 20:31:20    502307

boc and gggg, you really represent the snobby side of division 1 football. Come back boasting when u win an ulster.

Also - take into account the size of your pick compared to that of a junior club. Clontibret and Scotstown and the like are made up of about 3 small clubs anyway.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 03/12/2009 21:36:21    502405

lads would you cop on are you saying that better players are produced just in senior areas. every club at juniour and inter has players that could play at senior if they got the chance. maybe at first they would not be up to the pace but after training and senior matches would fit right in. are you seriously trying to say that players lose quality just because they are from a juniour club ? its called loyalty i no most players are not just in it for the fame of senior football. I for one would rather play for my club , the place i grew up , the boys iv been friends with all my life than to play senior football . most players are like that but they are still quality players. A juniour selection would take clontibrid any day.

and another point to improve our county team players from juniour and inter should get a chance it is rubbish that quality only exists in senior.

killanny09 (Monaghan) - Posts: 94 - 03/12/2009 21:39:09    502408

new_bliss although a lot of clontibret players may recieve medals for competitions they didnt actually play in, you might be forgeting that they field three teams and have had a lot of success with there B and C team. They also train as a full panel and are always pushing eachother on, this may be one of the reasons for their success so just because a player is on the bench for the seniors doesnt mean they dont be playng any football. The clontibret players deserve all the success they get because the C players train every bit as hard as the A's.

I also said that Clontibret B's would put it up to any junior team. By this i dont mean this imalgumated team but an individual junior team.

boc1595 (Monaghan) - Posts: 71 - 03/12/2009 21:51:03    502426

Well said killanny09

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 03/12/2009 22:01:23    502439

It is without a doubt that teams like clontibret, latton, blaney, maghercloone, or scotstown wouldvery comfortably beat a malgimated junior team.

I think Clontibret B team would probly get beat but only if the malgimated junior team had trained and gelled together.

But i also think that Clontibret B team would be favourites to win Junior if they competed...They were actualy let up into Juniors before and won it so they had to be taken back down into Reserve Division 1 again.

cluiche09 (Monaghan) - Posts: 5 - 04/12/2009 00:13:52    502597

Killanny 09, I think it is a bit rich you talking about loyalty. Your best player this year, is he one of the lads that you grew up with?? Don't think so. Anyway, can I stress that I am not from Clontibret so there is no bias in my views. Much of why junior football is very poor is down to the culture within the club. If a group of 10 year olds within a junior club have no real role models to look up to then chances are they will not grow into good footballers. They are brought up thinking that the level of their first team is acceptable, poor standards breeds poor standards. I understand that the people writing here are proud of their clubs which is why there is an angry response however don't let that cloud the facts. One last point, I don't know who had Brendan Og Magennis at full forward on their Clontibret team, maybe it was Brendan Og himseld, but if Clontibret have everyone fit, then Brandan Og wouldn't be within an asses roar of the top 15.

Albert (None) - Posts: 30 - 04/12/2009 10:56:00    502781

Clontibret B team the only team to win the Ward Cup (Junior League) 1997 what a team they were

imagine1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 8 - 04/12/2009 13:25:15    502925

To all these people on about clontibret b team...I would love to know how many of the A team starters are permitted to play on the B team.I would say not too many with the pick they have and the rest who are not graded but are on the fringes of the B team are probably as good as junior players...sure why wouldnt they?? Compare this to a pick of 20 or 21 at a push and have to grade 11 players. The streets are regularly searched for players who mightnt have played in 10 years!!! So with a panel to be able to field 3 teams it is nothing to be boasting about being able to beat a junior team(they wouldnt anyway) On a good night how many would Clontibret have at training?...we would have 26 on a good night including 2 16 year olds and a 15 year old. how many do you have to grade??

new_bliss (Monaghan) - Posts: 88 - 04/12/2009 16:05:38    503055

I would easily easily suggest that the Clontibret,Latton,Blayney and Scotstown B teams would finish as top 4 in junior if allowed to enter. If not at least two of them would. Come on The Clontibret and Scotstown C teams have been beating alot of intermediate B teams in recent years. It is obvious. The Blayney C team beat the Toome B team by 30 points and the Currin B team by 20 Pts. The Scotstwon C team and Clonitbret C team beat the likes of Drumhowan and Doohamlet b teams in recent years. I also believe Clontibret and Scotstown C team beat Aghabog, Rockorry, Eire OG, Cremartin, Aughnamullen and Corduff Bs.. That is a club with 27 graded against a club with 12 graded.. Come on folks...

topman500 (Monaghan) - Posts: 294 - 04/12/2009 16:45:39    503100

albert
a lad that moves to an area is not the same thing.
and your comment that juniour teams have no quality cuming up is rubbish. Killanny have had one of the best success at youth age in the county in the last few years. A lot of our youth teams are compeating with the so called big teams in the county.

killanny09 (Monaghan) - Posts: 94 - 04/12/2009 17:06:14    503126

Albert ur tlkin alot of sense ther in ur last comment about young players... i wouldnt put Brendan Og on a fit clontibret side either but he is a very talented footballer nd wud be on their senior team no problem if he wznt out injured 4 as much of the season..

cluiche09 (Monaghan) - Posts: 5 - 04/12/2009 17:28:24    503151

brolly you really have shown of your stupidity there with your comment regardin clontibret having one of the biggest parishes in monaghan.
just to let your uneducated mind know, clontibret, cremartin and doohamlet are all from the parish of clontibret. so unlike scotstown with ballinode, tydamnet and knocatallon, clontibrets parish has three teams on the go and aswell as that there is a bitter rivalry between all three teams and clontibret have similar numbers compared to their neighbours.

brolly your obviously from a struggling team and you look up on the big teams who are going well as being snobbish just because you are jealous

and as for killany09 you cant say that the banty does not watch junior football and take junior players into consideration when picking the county panel.
as you know, the banty is from corduff, and how many corduff players are on the county panel? NONE, and its not because he is being unfair to his own club but its because he genuinly feels that corduff dont have anybody capable of playing at county level. so its about time you realised, banty is not being unfair to anyone and if your good enough you will be there

gggg (Monaghan) - Posts: 225 - 04/12/2009 18:03:59    503181

i agree with alberts comment!

dats fine by me killany09 but if ur goin to be playin junior football dont forget to pack ur gumshield and knuckle dusters on match day!

postmanjim (Monaghan) - Posts: 26 - 04/12/2009 18:09:04    503184

gggg i wasnt making that point I was just saying that there is bound to be players in the county from any club juniour inter and senior that should get a chance at least in the mc kenna cup.

killanny09 (Monaghan) - Posts: 94 - 04/12/2009 21:57:00    503528