applause for 32 4 1- easily the most deluded poster on HS

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 03/12/2009 19:52:36    502276

so nocky david silvas better than aimar then. a player which led valencia to two spainsh leagues and two champions league finals. everything was built around him. all silva got at the last euros was criticism.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 03/12/2009 20:21:19    502301

Lorcan, where do I start? Why have you reduced a question about the number of Argentinians who would make the Spanish team into an argument of who's better between David Silva and Pablo Aimar, two players who are far from guaranteed their places on their respective teams? Aimar was a fabulous player in his prime at Valencia and now seems to have rediscovered some of his best form, Silva was brilliant for Valencia for two seasons but is not playing as well now as he can. They play in different positions anyway, so why are you trying to compare them like-for-like? You made some outrageous statements in your last rant - "Riquelme's the best playmaker in the world" - maybe a few years ago. Maybe. "Samuel and Demichelis are better than anything in the Spanish defence" - haha, good one. Why don't they start for Argentina then? You then claim young Argentina defender Ansaldi is (sic) "better than anyone on Spain or Argentina", presumably based on a few matches you saw him play for Rubin Kazan and maybe youtube highlights (unless you watch the Russian league week-in, week-out). "DiMaria's a better player than Xavi or Iniesta". Come back to me on that in a few years to see if he fills his potential, but he'll have to be some player to be better than either of them. Best of all: "Kun Aguero is a better player than Torres". Why is he regularly dropped by Atletico and Argentina then? Good player, huge promise. Better than Torres, you're having a laugh. You say Benfica "would play United or Liverpool off the field", based on their beating of an out-of-form Everton. It doesn't work like that. Wigan beat Chelsea, then Tottenham beat them 9-1. Tottenham would not beat Chelsea by 10goals.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 03/12/2009 21:24:52    502380

applause for 32 4 1- easily the most opinionated poster on HS

Sisco87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 759 - 03/12/2009 21:33:15    502398

Spanish team who recently beat Argentina:
Iker Casillas (Real Madrid)
Carles Puyol (Barcelona)
Sergio Ramos (Real Madrid)
Gerard Pique (Barcelona)
Joan Capdevila (Villareal)
Xavi Hernandez (Barca)
Sergi Busquets (Barca)
David Silva (Valencia)
Xabi Alonso (Real)
Andres Iniesta (Barca)
David Villa (Valencia)

Substitutes:
Pepe Reina (Liverpool)
Diego Lopez (Villareal)
Carlos Marchena (Valencia)
Andoni Iraola (Bilbao)
Raul Albiol (Real Madrid)
Alvaro Arbeloa (Real Madrid)
Jesus Navas (Sevilla)
Cesc Fabregas (Arsenal)
Pablo Hernandez (Valencia)
Juan Mata (Valencia)
Dani Guiza (Fenerbahçe)
Alvaro Negredo (Sevilla)

Not in squad:
La Liga's all-time top scorer (Raúl, Real Madrid), Juanito (Athletico), Cazorla (Villareal), Riera (Liverpool), Llorente (Bilbao), Cuellar (Aston Villa), Senna (Villareal) and many more top-class players.

Only Messi would get into the Spanish team, and your comment (sic) "argentina have a far better squad with so much more dept. after spains best 4 or 5 players they dont have too much quality" is absolute rubbish Lorcan.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 03/12/2009 22:07:28    502448

France... Hands down.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 03/12/2009 22:17:05    502469

What strange is Nocky is that one poster claims that Barcelona are the greatest side in the world, but also claims the Spanish defence is rubbish, yet half the Barcelona defence play in that rubbish Spanish defece? Its all a bit confusing really.

JuanVeron (Westmeath) - Posts: 1866 - 03/12/2009 22:31:11    502484

I forgot to mention another player absent from that Spanish squad, a player better than Zlatan Ibrahimovich.

32_4_1 on Ibrahimovich: "he shouldnt even start for barca. when it comes to the business end of the season he'll be nowhere to be seen especially in the champions league. _______ should defiantly be there instead. _______ is in a different league to ibrahimovic. just cant understand how he's not starting"

Who is this fabled player I speak of? Lorcan? Anyone?

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 03/12/2009 23:14:39    502537

Iker Casillas- world class Carles Puyol- over rated Sergio Ramos- clearly over rated, dont rate him at all. attacks far to much and leaves to much space in defence. loose defender Gerard Pique- very good Joan Capdevila- good Xavi Hernandez- brilliant, slightly over-rated Sergi Busquets- average David Silva- all hype, average Xabi Alonso- good passer but over rated Andres Iniesta- world class David Villa- world class Pepe Reina- good Diego Lopez- poor Carlos Marchena- good Andoni Iraola- average. been around for ages and never done much Raul Albiol- good Alvaro Arbeloa- poor Jesus Navas- good enough. nothing special Cesc Fabregas- world class Pablo Hernandez- brilliant Juan Mata- looks like he's gonna be a world class player Dani Guiza- serioulsly over- rated Alvaro Negredo- average Raúl- way past it Juanito- theres a reason he's not in the squad and its because hes rubbish Cazorla- poor Riera- poor Llorente- seen him play a lot. between average to useless Cuellar- will be good Senna- good but highly over rated as i said some great players but outside the big ones an average enough team. a lot of players people will recognise the like of corzola etc due to coming on for 5 minute appearance in the euros and recognising some of their names of la liga on a sunday but none of them are much good. obviously to people here the spanish squad might look slightly better as the recognise some of the subs but most of them are rubbish in comparision to the argentinian youngsters who ill go through in the next message. also a lot of the world class players in that spanish teams are the one position and over-lap

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 03/12/2009 23:42:01    502573

ansaldi- brilliant demichelis- good samuel- good, very solid pareja- brilliant player aimar- world class riquelme- world class banege- underahieved since he went to valencia but beginning to fulfil his potential. could be a brilliant player gago- good datolo- playing brilliant stuff for napoli di maria- world class, next big thing maxi rodriguez- brilliant player kun aguero- world class bolatti- useless. dunno why he got called up higuain- great player lavazzi- alright. shouldnt be in the squad messi- best player in the world dalessandro- "a new maradonna". still very tricky to play against if he was recalled saviola- plays brilliant for his country. doesnt score enough but creates a lot. just goes to show argentinas dept heinze- very good insua- poor zanetti- past it cambiasso- great player. hate him though lucho gonzalez- great player perotti- brilliant mascherano- good holding player tevez- good perez- has serious potential veron- past it gutierez- average vangioni- very good buonanotte- world class. will replace riquelme probably gaitin- brilliant playmaker. great vision bernardello- one of the better players for almeria zuculini- brilliant player milito- very good player salvio- one to look out for. new messi. has serious potential lopez- seems to be playing good at lyon. good player defederico- great player amongst so many more a lot of these players wont sound as familiar as a lot of the spanish as theres not as many playing in europe as argentinas on the other side of the world. just like the way everyone says england have a great team and so much dept. they dont really. its just people we here there names on a regular basis from the premiership. this argentina squad is far better than spain. just because the likes of juanito for spain sound familiar doesnt make them better. most of spains up and coming players are not great

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 04/12/2009 00:12:14    502596

benfica have a brilliant team this year. they're gonna run away with the europa league. gonna put money on them. aguero gets absolutely no supply. most of a.madrids team have seemingly forgotten how to play football this year. and aguero plays every game. i doubt he's and in and out of the squad player if chelsea want to pay nearly 50 million for him.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 04/12/2009 00:18:52    502603

So suddenly Man United supporters who looked forward to an easy victory against Barcelona last May because Puyol and the lads were deemed to be useless, are now saying these same idiots (according to them) are better than Walter Samuel?

Are you having a laugh?

Oh, you are. Fabregas in the same sentence as Riquelme. Have you ever watched Riquelme. The best mid field play maker since Gerson on his day.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/12/2009 01:24:04    502631

France to win the final 1-0 afer winning their 6 other World Cup games 1-0 all with Thierry Henry hand balls!

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 04/12/2009 08:34:32    502704

Lorcan, take off the Argentinian-tinted galsses for just a second. Your ratings of players are way off the mark! You have labelled some Argentinian prospects "world class", "brilliant", while doing your best to put down Spanish players who have already achieved greatness - e.g. Xavi, Alonso, etc. You also omitted Torres from your list of Spanish players. And a player better than Ibrahimovich.

Spain's entire first XI play for Real Madrid, Barca and Valencia and they have subs from Liverpool, Villareal, Real, Barca, Valencia, Sevilla etc., whereas Argentinas squad is made up of journeymen playing in eastern Europe, old players whose best days in Europe are behind them and have returned to Argentina, and young players with potential playing for small clubs in Italy, Spain and Argentina.

Argentina have an excellent conveyor belt of underage talent, but these players are not yet "world class" as you seem to think and many may never be. Spain have a brilliant settled team, with excellent back-up players on the bench should they suffer an injury or two. Argentina are a mess - no goalkeeper, no defence, no settled midfield, no strike partnership. Your argument "take out Spain's five world class players and they have nothing" is ridiculous. Take one player out of Argentina's team and they haven't a hope.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 04/12/2009 13:28:20    502926

xavi alonso is over rated. he's an accurate long passer but thats it. most of the spanish players on barca, valencia, and madrid are easier spotted as they come up though the ranks of these clubs, as the clubs are from spain where they are born. if for example buonanotte came through the barca youth system i have no doubt he would be starting on the barca first team. just because names like arbeloa are familiar, in no way means he is a proven player just like corzola etc. infact most of them are rubbish. i said xavi is world class but he does tend to be inconsistent. he can go long periods without creating anything just like the last euros where fabregas had to keep coming on as spains attack went very blunt every so often. as for seville and villareal, some of sevilles best players are argentinian and villareals position speak for its self. 12 points from 12 games. hardly brilliant. they have gone way down since the argentinian riquelme left after a row with the manager i guess ill just have to wait for the world cup to start to be proven right. if argentina put out the right team and bring the right squad they'll tear anyone apart on a good day especially if riquelme apologises. spain have a lot of familiar names but they are mostly average outside the big names like fabregas torres villa etc. even if argentina do or dont win the tornament they'll be playing the best football like they always do. spain had villa, torres, xavi, inieta, alonso etc all at the last world cup but they were completely over shadowed by argentinas brilliant attacking easy on the eye football. and the players that were playing for argentina in the last world cup were tevez, gonzalez, cambiasso, saviola, cresp. they have all been pushed out of the team for better young talent. as i said if they get it right no team stands a chance

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 04/12/2009 14:52:55    502994

why?

JuanVeron (Westmeath) - Posts: 1866 - 04/12/2009 15:07:23    503006

I never said Argentina have a bad squad of players Lorcan, but they are clearly inferior to the Spanish. Did you watch any of their qualifiers? They are in disarray, no goalkeeper, no defence, no midfield and only Messi in attack. A coach who doesn't know what he's doing.

Their young players are certainly promising, but they have proved nothing yet. If they do gel together, and Messi stays fit, they have a decent chance of going far in the WC, but you are massively overrating them on current form.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 04/12/2009 16:58:32    503114

they have the best squad on the world on pure individual talent. i already said they have a rubbish manager and are playing rubbish together at the moment but they normally do in qualifying. i still think they'll get it right for world cup and play the beautiful football only they can play.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4168 - 04/12/2009 18:55:08    503267

32-4-1 you have a great knowledge of soccer.

millhouse (Meath) - Posts: 892 - 04/12/2009 19:05:03    503284

Looks like it is not just Hogan Stand posters who are racist.

Ivory Coast, good outside bet for interest, get the hardest group?

Now Brazil and Ivory should still qualify but other teams will have strolled to the knock out stages.

Extremely dodgy and dubious draw.

Mind you, they only seeded the teams two days ago.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 04/12/2009 19:19:16    503307