galwayfan
County: All
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Declan ó Sullivan v Kevin McGourty

Who would you rather have at centre forward on your team??



And Kevin is a far superior hurler.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 29/11/2009 16:24:16    497605

29/11/2009 14:53:47
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 4033

what is the definition of a Gaeltacht anyway
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It is pretty much self defined
Our parish was actually 50/50 Gaeltacht and non gaeltacht as there are two villages in the parish only one of which historically had Irish as a first language. however about ten years ago the entire parish became "gaeltacht" as it is better for tourism, housing grants, school subsidies etc.

madasbutter (Mayo) - Posts: 872 - 29/11/2009 18:17:57    497689

patrique
County: Antrim
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497603 galwayfan
County: All
Posts: 263

497484
Declan ó Sullivan v Kevin McGourty

Who would you rather have at centre forward on your team??


We are talking about the two best centre half forwards in Ireland. Depends what you want.

O'Sullivan is a better scorer and runner with the ball, McGourty can win ball, especially high ball, and his distribution is a lot better.

So, depends what you want.


I think the belfast gaeltacht is unofficial so He's not eligible.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 29/11/2009 18:54:47    497727

dhorse
County: Laois
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497727


It is an official Gaeltacht, we just get bigger grants as the language is promoted better in the North. Every time you turn on BBC or Radio Ulster it is in Irish.

However, McGourty lives nowhere near the place.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/11/2009 01:15:16    497997

29/11/2009 14:53:47
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 4033

what is the definition of a Gaeltacht anyway

Does anyone know what the rules are for entering a team into the Gaeltacht championship? I remember a few years ago that the idea was thrown about in my club Eglish by very prominent Gaeligeor Donal Mc Anallen (brother of the late Cormac). The idea was to enter a Tyrone team given the fact that a Gaeltacht exists in the Creggan/Gortin area of the county. There were a number of prominent Irish speaking footballers in the area at the time including the Mc Anallens, Mark Harte and the O'Mairtin family. Someone said at the time that there needed to be half of the team liofa i nGaeilge for a team to be entered. Is this true?

Rio Bingo (Tyrone) - Posts: 788 - 30/11/2009 10:18:26    498075

Dhorse,
Nil an madra rua agaim. as a chap i was a concientious objector of being forced to learn a language that was used as tool by a certain class to keep contol of the education system. what language is it that you speak. its certainly not the ancient irish we were lead to believe it was.


An bhfuil tu ag magadh no an bhfuil tu Queens County Planter?

anscadanglic (Wicklow) - Posts: 64 - 30/11/2009 10:32:09    498086

30/11/2009 10:18:26
Rio Bingo
County: Tyrone
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498075 29/11/2009 14:53:47
dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 4033

what is the definition of a Gaeltacht anyway

Does anyone know what the rules are for entering a team into the Gaeltacht championship? I remember a few years ago that the idea was thrown about in my club Eglish by very prominent Gaeligeor Donal Mc Anallen (brother of the late Cormac). The idea was to enter a Tyrone team given the fact that a Gaeltacht exists in the Creggan/Gortin area of the county. There were a number of prominent Irish speaking footballers in the area at the time including the Mc Anallens, Mark Harte and the O'Mairtin family. Someone said at the time that there needed to be half of the team liofa i nGaeilge for a team to be entered. Is this true?
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The donegal gaeltacht championship in the north west now includes Dunfanaghy,Milford Fanad and downings. About 50% of the downings team would come from Irish speaking families. The others have signifcantly less. In fact I think the Gaeltacht area that is just about inside the Milford catchment area is an unhabitated forest. Though the fish are Iasc and the no Entry signs are in Irish

Though if you can get a team to qualify - ye are automatically County champions and get through to the finals weekend
In any case the Comhartas weekend is a brilliant weekend. I was at it this year in Rosmuc. There is only one small pub in the village so they had a Marquee that held about 3,000 people. - Played in Rathcairn in Meath back in 92/93 also that was some crack too.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 30/11/2009 10:33:59    498087

Patrique, I see Declan Ó Sullivan has been picked on the team of the noughties by Páidí ó Sé at the age of 25. No sign of any McGourtys there either;). You cannot say that he's being biased as Ó Sullivan will surely be seen as one of the greatest players the country has ever produced. 4 All-Irelands, (2 as captain) and 3 All-Stars...thats two more than Antrim football have. Surely if Ó Sullivan was born in Belfast, Antrim would have a few Ulsters and maybe more.

galwayfan (None) - Posts: 764 - 30/11/2009 12:52:22    498225

That would be a good idea for an inter county championship, the pick of the club players from the gaeltacht clubs in Galway, Donegal, Cork, Mayo, Kerry, Waterford, Meath etc.

liatroim_abu (Leitrim) - Posts: 82 - 30/11/2009 13:02:23    498236

Anybody know how a gaeltacht is defined

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 30/11/2009 17:04:43    498512

I used to go to Downings on my holidays when i was a wee man and i never heard a word of Irish utter there once.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 30/11/2009 17:10:48    498522

anscadanglic
County: Wicklow
Posts: 57



An bhfuil tu ag magadh no an bhfuil tu Queens County Planter?

You must be correct, sure speaking irish makes you superior to anyone else.
seeeing as you cant define a gaeltacht for me can you define a queens counnty planter

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 30/11/2009 19:14:34    498695

galwayfan County: All Posts: 264 498225 Patrique, I see Declan Ó Sullivan has been picked on the team of the noughties by Páidí ó Sé Firstly, what makes you think Paidi knows better than me, especially as Paidi wouldn't have a notion as to who Kevin Mcgourty was. Seriously, for some years, usually in relation to the subject of Brian McGuigan, I have constantly argued that the two best centre half forwards are McGourty and O'Sullivan. As a fielder, the only thing Kerry have in McGourty's class is Darragh O'Se. As a distributer McGourty is in the Ciaran McDonald class. He can also carry the ball as well, as witnessed when he was twice winning the Player of the Sigerson award. Being from Belfast we are limited to such things and club level. Declan O'Sullivan is a wonderful ball carrier, can score and is a lovely FOOT passer, a skill rarely seen. Top class player. However if he had been from Belfast someone from the county board would have fallen out with him so he wouldn't be on the county team. Finally, if you want to measure things in medals, Peter Canavan won two all Ireland medals, which would make him the 9,679th best Kerry player of all time if he had been born in Tralee. Even Paidi wouldn't argue that.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/11/2009 22:43:22    498957

30/11/2009 17:10:48
CheFinny
County: UK
Posts: 606

498522 I used to go to Downings on my holidays when i was a wee man and i never heard a word of Irish utter there once.
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Let me guess you went to Downings with your parents and family and stayed in a Mobile/Hotel/Holiday cottage, More than likely you went there between Mid july and Mid August.
Did you realise that 80% of the population at that time of year are from Derry, Dungannon or Belfast ?. The other 20% are trying to earn a few quid off you by providing - Slot Machines, Beer, Burgers, Ice Cream or similar legal vice. In the interests of closing the sale and understanding the customer use of English is preferable. In addition given the reliance on trade from the six counties it was found that use of Siopa for e.g was far too confusing and lead to a competitive disadvantage

Does the above sound familiar or did you visit local people in their homes and attempt to Speak Irish.
Though you are correct the tradition is not as strong as it is in say Connemara. English is first choice between anyone under approx 50. Though over 50's will use Irish when speaking to each other. If you hear Irish being spoken by the younger generations it is usually because they are talking about you.

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 30/11/2009 23:17:53    499021

horse,
Nil me cliste ar chor ar bith capall, na bac a mhac go n-eiri an t-adh leat.

anscadanglic (Wicklow) - Posts: 64 - 01/12/2009 15:47:02    499532

dhorse:

The boundaries of the Gaeltachtaí were fixed in the 1920s and are still in place today. There are plenty places that are officially Gaeltacht areas but would have very few, if any, native speakers there. The comparison with Belfast is an interesting one. There is probably more Irish speakers in Belfast than in many so-called Gaeltacht areas, the same can be said of Dublin also.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13795 - 01/12/2009 16:11:34    499552

anscadanglic
County: Wicklow
Posts: 59

499532 horse,
Nil me cliste ar chor ar bith capall, na bac a mhac go n-eiri an t-adh leat.

will you be on the day of action thursday?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 01/12/2009 20:22:13    499890

dhorse,
i will be there stoning them.Most people who left school at 14 dont get jobs like that.

anscadanglic (Wicklow) - Posts: 64 - 01/12/2009 20:33:34    499904

01/12/2009 20:33:34
anscadanglic
County: Wicklow
Posts: 62

499904 dhorse,
i will be there stoning them.Most people who left school at 14 dont get jobs like that.
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Try the garda

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 01/12/2009 22:19:00    500051

We'll just have to agree to disagree patrique my friend. But answer me this, When would McGourty come into the team of Ulster players you picked on the other thread?

galwayfan (None) - Posts: 764 - 01/12/2009 22:55:11    500098