chainsaw
County: Laois
Posts: 390

tell me any sport where no cheating occurs

Golf.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 19/11/2009 11:40:33    488157

bosch
County: Derry
Posts: 151

488093 Beffni39 - that cannot count as a video ref. Zidane was sent off cos the ref saw him head butt the italian in the chest he didnt need a 4th official to tell him after a video replay. And if he did then the sending off shouldnt have stood as there is no video ref like they have in rugby.
Surely the only people who can advise on a sending off is the 2 linesmen and the ref. The 4th official wouldnt even come into it.

The ref didn't see the Zidane headbutt. You are right in everything else you are saying, but thats the point I'm making.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12453 - 19/11/2009 11:47:12    488163

FFS it's not the fault of the French, they are great people and many are a bit ashamed this morning. You only have to look at much of the French press this morning, even they are embarrassed. Having looked at the replay 6 times this morning I have some sympathy for the referee, there were about 6 players between him and Henry. His vision was impaired but the linesman on the far side had a clear view of it and should have flagged for the offside even before the handball.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9829 - 19/11/2009 12:13:17    488186

Fifa need to pull the finger out and get video technology. Last nights incident is a perfect example of a incident where video replays would work. The goal was scored and the kick-off didn't happen for approx 90 secs - 2mins. Plenty of time for an official to review it. Also an extra official behind the goals, like being used in the Europa League, would definetly have spotted the handball. Its only a matter of time before a Champions League Final or a World Cup final is decided with some other farcical incident. The two most annoying things though - 1 France are rubbish and 2 seeing Henry sitting with Dunne at the end of the match. That really got me going!!!

Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 19/11/2009 12:31:06    488203

Dont agree with the 'French cheats' Henry cheat' comments. All players chance their arms(no pun intended) It was a disgraceful decision and thats it. I remember John Aldridge getting booked for protesting after he punched the ball into the Liechtenshein net. it happens but poor officials are to blame.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 19/11/2009 12:38:28    488205

Talking about video technology only distracts from the real issue here. The linesman missed a blatent offside from a freekick. This is unforgiveable as he had all the time in the world to get his positioning right and to make sure he could make the right call. This is the real injustice!

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 19/11/2009 12:41:13    488208

black&white
County: Sligo
Posts: 599

488157 chainsaw
County: Laois
Posts: 390

tell me any sport where no cheating occurs

Golf.

I was expecting someone to come back with that answer Black and White.... you probably are a regular golfer as I am myself and I don't know of any other self regulating game other than golf as the whole game depends totally on the honesty of the players..indeed cheating at golf in the eyes of fellow golfers would be akin to the most hideous crimes ...or worse.
Having said all that can you honestly say that cheating does not happen at golf.

chainsaw (Laois) - Posts: 712 - 19/11/2009 12:46:48    488214

disgrace

JPM1981 (Kildare) - Posts: 825 - 19/11/2009 13:09:14    488232

well black and white. i hope you only mean that at professional level where all the camera's are watching because other than that golf is probably the no.1 sport for cheating. where i used to play, in competitions people would be sent out in groups of 3 where 1 person would mark the other persons card who they are playing with. and EVERYONE cheated to get their handicap down. writing down a 3 when the other person would get a 5. and of course the other people playing would return the favour.

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4195 - 19/11/2009 13:11:24    488235

FIFA confirmed today that the result of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany qualifying match between Uzbekistan and Bahrain on 3 September 2005 has been declared invalid and must be replayed. In order to respect the drawn order of the matches, the first leg is to be replayed in Uzbekistan on 8 October 2005, with the second leg match to be rescheduled for 12 October 2005 in Bahrain. The decision was taken by the Bureau of the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany Organising Committee following a formal protest from the Uzbekistan Football Federation concerning a technical error by the referee of the match. According to Art. 12.4 (b) and 14.1 of the Regulations for the 2006 FIFA World Cup, all protests, including those against technical errors committed by referees, are to be decided by the Organising Committee for the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany. A bureau of the Organising Committee may pass a decision in lieu of the plenary committee in urgent matters. The Bureau, composed of Chairman Lennart Johansson, Deputy Chairman Julio Grondona, Dr Chung Mong Joon and FIFA General Secretary Urs Linsi, took the decision based on the following facts: 1) At the score of 1-0 in favour of Uzbekistan, in the 39th minute of the match, the referee decided to award a penalty kick to Uzbekistan; 2) The penalty kick was taken and led to goal in favour of Uzbekistan; 3) Before the penalty kick was carried out, an Uzbek player entered the penalty area; 4) Consequently, the referee awarded an indirect free kick to the Bahrain team; 5) However, in such a situation, the Laws of the Game require the referee to order the penalty kick to be retaken; 6) The captain of Uzbekistan team protested to the referee immediately after the mistake had taken place and before the game had restarted. This protest was confirmed after the match; 7) This technical error was confirmed by the match commissioner and the referee inspector in their respective reports; 8) Uzbekistan protested the decision of the referee in a written request, asking for the match to be "cancelled" and be evaluated with a 3 - 0 forfeit result; The bureau, taking into consideration that the referee in the match in question had indeed committed a technical error, established that, as a consequence, the match needed to be replayed. As a result, the protest put forward by the Uzbekistan team for the match to be considered a forfeit with a 3 - 0 result is rejected. In accordance with Art. 12.6 of the Regulations 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany, this decision is final and binding. TRY something like this maybe???

hogan11 (Down) - Posts: 59 - 19/11/2009 13:13:36    488239

if Uzbekistan can force a replay we can too

hogan11 (Down) - Posts: 59 - 19/11/2009 13:14:37    488240

People really need to calm down with the "cheat" comments. Henry made an instinctive, split second decision to handle the ball for the goal and got away with it. The linesman is to blame for the goal standing, not Henry. How he missed it I don't know, he seemed to have an unobstructed view, and there was a French attacker clearly offside and interfering with play as well. If you want to look for a French "cheat", look at Anelka diving in an effort to win a penalty.

Another thing, some people seem to think that there is some sort of conspiracy where the officials deliberately ignored Henry's handball. If it was the case that there was a conspiracy against Ireland then surely they would have awarded Evra a penalty in Dublin and given Anelka another one in Paris. The linesman made a huge mistake in not flagging for offside and handball for the French goal, nothing more. Human error.

If people want to look for someone to blame, blame Trappatoni for getting the tactics horribly wrong in Dublin.

nocky (Wexford) - Posts: 2059 - 19/11/2009 13:17:22    488242

I didn't realise there were so many tabloid readers on here.Just goes to show you!!By the way I was sickened by the defeat and the way it happened but some OTT stuff....cheese eating surender monkeys..........c'mon now think for yourself.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 19/11/2009 13:20:06    488246

dubupnorth
County: Dublin
Posts: 1091

488008 FIFA?? More like THIEFA! They fixed the draw to get most of the big guns through. There was chance Platini's country were going to be allowed to lose out to mere 'minnows, like ourselves. There is no way on this planet the linesman DIDN'T see that handball. Stevie Wonder wouldn't have missed that.

Ah he woud have.He's blind ya know.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 19/11/2009 13:20:56    488249

Suppose we're all bitterly disappointed with the result yesterday especially after the lads played above and beyond what we all thought they were capable and of course the nature of the defeat. But lets be brutally honest and im sure this has been mentioned a few times here, if Keane had of done what Henry did we'd be all laughing today no question about that, we'd all be ectatic. No supporter in the world cares if a contentious decision goes their way and i know this because Meath got a few handy ones against Mayo and not 1 meath fan complained, i know i didn't anyway. So we should just wish France the best of luck at this stage because theres no point in being bitter about the result.

There should be a TMO in football like there is in rugby but ive thought that for years and so have many other people but FIFA seem to be a very stubborn, backwards organisation and yes football fans fit into that catagory aswell because a lot of them feel that a TMO would slow the game down too much. I guarantee you a lot of opinions changed about that last night.

Finally i think now that we're offically gone, all the sore throats are clearing up and all the tears have dried we should just be incredibly proud of the lads last night and wish them all the best for Euro 2012, theres nothing more anyone can do at this point.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 19/11/2009 13:28:33    488260

Mc Shane should have dealt better with it.But moreso Given,Ive been sayin it on other threads,he is playing poorly last while,conceding 3 to Burnley,very poor in the Manc derby.All that money floating around middle eastlands has distracted him I think.The golden rule is Play to the whistle,dont stand there with your hand up callin for a free(even if it is a free)when you can easily prevent the ball getting to Gallas.You could even say he might have came out and claimed the cross the way good goalkeepers like Lloris did over the 2 legs.But not Shay Given,stuck to his goalline as Pat Gilroy might say,like a startled earwig.
Yes Terry henry is a cheating B******,but we all knew that before the tie.Replay me eye.

fredrickwood (Roscommon) - Posts: 2871 - 19/11/2009 13:35:27    488267

RLF - So you excuse cheating

Absolutely not RLF. Nothing we can do about what Henry did and how he got away with it but I think McShane could have dealt with the cross better than he did. Its like the Maradonna goal. He cheated but Shilton could have jumped

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 19/11/2009 13:38:10    488271

Stephen Roche 1987 in France.

And the French are cheats? Deary me.

Loyal2TheRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 4522 - 19/11/2009 13:38:29    488272

black&white
County: Sligo
Posts: 599

488157
chainsaw
County: Laois
Posts: 390

tell me any sport where no cheating occurs

Golf.



Colin Montgomerie.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 19/11/2009 13:55:51    488289

Look Lads, if Ireland hadn't CHEATED Georgia they would not have been in the play off.

And what did Platini do? A lone voice in the madness of football gone mad, the CHAMPION of little teams, like Ireland.

Platini by the way, for Newcomers, has NOTHING to do with FIFA.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 19/11/2009 14:01:46    488295