hold on a bleedin minute folks wheres our money then? this thread is a load of bull we have some of the richest (including the richest) men in ireland and the facts are this shovin thousands into coachin etc is useless unless you do it 15 yrs ago and the funding is only really goin now so unless its working with hindsight (a huge development in world sport never mind irish) it cant make that much of a difference. so grow up and quit spoutin rubbish to get attention on a website where you dont use your real name

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 11/10/2009 23:43:10    451474

well said kerry star we'll be lucky if the english and american teams dont take sam for yrs to come

speedy12 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 592 - 11/10/2009 23:48:01    451478

ive only bothered to read the title of the thread and all i have to say is complete rubbish

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4202 - 11/10/2009 23:50:28    451482

11/10/2009 23:50:28
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County: Meath
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451482 ive only bothered to read the title of the thread and all i have to say is complete rubbish
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Surprised at you taking such a strong view based on a headline only

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/10/2009 00:03:19    451488

omaghjoe
County: Tyrone
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Tyrone won their all-irelands becasue everyone else was no where near as good end of story!

Tyrone are the best team in the country at present all-ireland winners or not! We have the best players, best management, best supporters and alot of people are very jealous of this and are jealous of they way we won or all-irelands are very jealous that we are gonna win a whole lot more in the years to come



I think the above is what causes the "animosity" towards Tyrone, rather than jealousy.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 12/10/2009 01:52:28    451526

The fact remains that we have two countries contained within our little island with two sets of rules/guidelines on sports funding.

The Ulster teams of course fall under both sets of rules/guidelines.

Now is this an equal situation = Of course it's not as they receive more funding.

Do the Ulster teams deserve the extra funding for decades of struggle and harassment and even murder!!! for just playing their native games = Of Course they do.

Is this a perfect situation = Of course it's not but lads/lasses we're hardly a perfect little island now are we!! Why should the craziness that's reigned supreme for so long just all of a sudden make any sense whatsoever? The fact remains that we're divided and they do things differently up North.

For me it's not the extra funding that have won Tyrone 2 out of their 3 All Irelands... it's been back door/Qualifier system and Shane Curran raised that point before losing the plot slightly.

It's that simple in my eyes,

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/10/2009 09:50:12    451583

patrique
County: Antrim
Posts: 4759

omaghjoe
County: Tyrone
Posts: 797

Tyrone won their all-irelands becasue everyone else was no where near as good end of story!

Tyrone are the best team in the country at present all-ireland winners or not! We have the best players, best management, best supporters and alot of people are very jealous of this and are jealous of they way we won or all-irelands are very jealous that we are gonna win a whole lot more in the years to come
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I think the above is what causes the "animosity" towards Tyrone, rather than jealousy.
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Nonsense Patrique, it's been proven time and time again that Tyrone were, are and will be the greatest ever. Amen.

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 12/10/2009 11:00:56    451638

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3399

451583 The fact remains that we have two countries contained within our little island with two sets of rules/guidelines on sports funding.

The Ulster teams of course fall under both sets of rules/guidelines.

Now is this an equal situation = Of course it's not as they receive more funding.

Do the Ulster teams deserve the extra funding for decades of struggle and harassment and even murder!!! for just playing their native games = Of Course they do.

Is this a perfect situation = Of course it's not but lads/lasses we're hardly a perfect little island now are we!! Why should the craziness that's reigned supreme for so long just all of a sudden make any sense whatsoever? The fact remains that we're divided and they do things differently up North.

Jimbodub,

Just to clarify, we deserve the funding from the UK sport councils etc because we pay our taxes to HM govt whether we like it or not, not because of decades of struggle, harassment to play and develop GAA. If you ask those who bore the sharpest brunt of this they would tell you that no money can make up up for what they went through. I'm sure the McAnespie, Farmer and Brown families to name a few dont't think that the extra few pounds was worth their suffering. Secondly, we pay our membership as well as the bulk of our admission fees to games Croke Park. We virtually subsidise Clones and leave quite a handy few euros no matter where we go, therefore we are entitled to this funding. I am surprised that a man such as yourself gets caught up in the hype as opposed to thinking about the facts.

Triona, surprised at you

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 12/10/2009 12:19:51    451723

As I said in another thread The more money the GAA in the Six Counties get from the British Government the better. It will still only partly compensate for all the grief they gave Gaa members over the years.

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 12/10/2009 12:44:55    451747

I am fully now expecting Antrim and Fermanagh to dominate Sam for decades with all this British money!! Kerry beware !!!

Meath_bhoy (Meath) - Posts: 590 - 12/10/2009 12:49:35    451751

omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 684

Triona, surprised at you
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That I disagreed with Patrique by saying Tyrone are the greatest?

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 12/10/2009 12:54:42    451755

My respect for Shane Curran has just gone through the floor.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 12/10/2009 12:56:16    451759

You know why? :-)

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 12/10/2009 13:00:38    451763

I have to agree with Omaghredhand 100% especially about leaving money where ever they went having worked in a bar in Clones many moons ago i can back up his statement we used to love the teams from the wee 6 coming and spending their money not unlike Cavan where it cost us a fortune on straws. 1 Bottle and 3 straws ha ha.

Mulligan Eamonn (None) - Posts: 896 - 12/10/2009 13:08:03    451767

Who Cares, the only surprise to me is that there's 6 pages of reply's to this thread

The.Rock (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 12/10/2009 13:28:34    451778

and i just read the headline

The.Rock (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 12/10/2009 13:29:29    451780

Meath Bhoy that message hits the nail on the head such a nonsensical statement I think when Shane studies what he said he will feel silly to say the least. Tyrone have been successful for a number of factors such as The Players they have are top drawer, Mickey Harte, a great underage setup which year in year out produces young talented players, club Tyrone who finance the County Teams and as far as I know HM Treasury aren't members and the back door system has also been favourable especially last year in 2005 I feel we deserved another crack after the mess Michael Collins made of the Ulster Final replay. How long we continue to be successful remains to be seen Cork are a force, Kerry will always be there or thereabouts, Galway could be dark horses under JK who knows.

CharlieHarper (Tyrone) - Posts: 42 - 12/10/2009 13:36:36    451790

Jimbodub,

Just to clarify, we deserve the funding from the UK sport councils etc because we pay our taxes to HM govt whether we like it or not, not because of decades of struggle, harassment to play and develop GAA. If you ask those who bore the sharpest brunt of this they would tell you that no money can make up up for what they went through. I'm sure the McAnespie, Farmer and Brown families to name a few dont't think that the extra few pounds was worth their suffering.

That's a very fair and completely true point. I meant no disrespect...I personally feel that it has little to do with paying tax though Omagh. We all pay tax down here as well but our players do not receive ISS Grant money just for that reason. Our players receive Grants because the GPA fought tooth and nail for it and even now the powers that be are trying to rip the scheme to shreds.


I believe that the players receive grant money from the British government because it was be a PR disaster if they were not allocated a certain portion of the overall budget... I mean imagine the turmoil and fuss that Sinn Fein would kick up... It's nothing to do with paying tax. It's to do with building a new Northern Ireland where everyone is treated equally. The British sports council sees the Northern GAA players as British Athletes, Catholic or not and awards them as such nothing to do with tax.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 12/10/2009 13:48:25    451802

Some other points to consider

1. HM treasury receive VAT on gate receipts for games played in the six counties - Surely no own has a problem with money coming back out of the queens coffers
2. There is plenty inequity in the way grants at club/ground level are distributed - A Local minister helps.

3. Dublin the Kerry/Tyrone have been the 3 largest revenue earners at HQ this decade

4. What about the money received on Jersey sponsorship - This is hardly even county by county

5. Ex county men in business - Some counties have former players who becamce sucessful in business others less so
it is clear that this can also help a counties coffers - Cavan/Fermanagh for eg

ruanua (Donegal) - Posts: 4966 - 12/10/2009 14:23:31    451823

ruanua
County: Donegal
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451823 Some other points to consider

1. HM treasury receive VAT on gate receipts for games played in the six counties - Surely no own has a problem with money coming back out of the queens coffers
2. There is plenty inequity in the way grants at club/ground level are distributed - A Local minister helps.

3. Dublin the Kerry/Tyrone have been the 3 largest revenue earners at HQ this decade

4. What about the money received on Jersey sponsorship - This is hardly even county by county

5. Ex county men in business - Some counties have former players who becamce sucessful in business others less so
it is clear that this can also help a counties coffers - Cavan/Fermanagh for eg

Point 5 obviously has a huge bearing. Look at all the All-Irelands Cavan and Fermanagh have won off the back of Sean Quinn!!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 12/10/2009 14:56:43    451859