Clubs have the right to do whatever they wish as the sports minister has done nothing but attack the gaa and the last minister as well . If he does not like the set up resign and further more i did not see him making statements about the attacks on gaa club houses lately as he only complains what suits him and his joke of a party .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 19/08/2009 17:34:48    397372

Funny how nobody seems to mind the GAA being used to get certain politicians elected to the Dail. That seems to be ok as lonf as their election rally is not held on GAA property. Yet it's not ok for the shinners.

Some awful double standards out there.

So is it simply that people don't want GAA property being used or that they don't want the GAA associated with party politics??

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 17:35:51    397373

TRIONA and THYKINGDOM


"The fact is that the GAA is a non Party political organisation. And I FULLY think that this rule should be enforced by the GAA. I for one do not want some Labour Councillor coming down to our pitch to raise money for any cause no matter how noble. I do not want FF, FG, SF or any other party using the grounds either. this does not beneftit the community. It divides it."

Firstly thanks for your mature and disciplined views on the subject. Forgive me and some of the other Tyrone posters for our somewhat over zealous responses. No offence was wished in any of it. Im so used to abuse on this site for certain political and football views that you can be quick to jump to the offensive.

Anyway the issue at hand. I take this quote is your stances on the issue at hand. However it is important to understand that the event was not an actual Sinn Fein event. Yes the main speakers were Shinners but it was officially a commemoration event for people who gave their lives for a certain political issue. To compare like with like you would have to consider a commemoration event for members of the Connolly column or soldiers of WW2 at a GAA ground. It wasn't a SF fundraiser. As regards the rules we all understand the murkiness that surrounds certain GAA rules and also common sense must be applied. I mean say it was a commemoration for members of the Connolly column held at O'Moore park I don't think this issue would have been raised and also I don't think the GAA would have taken any action. That's just my opinion.

trileacman (Tyrone) - Posts: 759 - 19/08/2009 17:48:34    397394

19/08/2009 15:15:40
thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
Posts: 767

397147 The fact is that the GAA is a non Party political organisation. And I FULLY think that this rule should be enforced by the GAA. I for one do not want some Labour Councillor coming down to our pitch to raise money for any cause no matter how noble. I do not want FF, FG, SF or any other party using the grounds either. this does not beneftit the community. It divides it.

So would you condemn or support a hurling manager for promoting a labour candidate in the Euro elections?

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 17:55:16    397406

trileacman - thank you! As I said earlier to Omaghredhand I think the issue has been cleared up. Well in my mind anyway. Also the fact that it was a building built by the community for use by the community puts this to bed. The community can do what they want with their clubhouse.

However, I was fully aware when starting this thread that I'd attract a certain type of poster, from both sides of the fence. What I was hoping for, and what I got, was posts/opinions the quality of Omaghredhand's, thykingdomcome's and your's. In a previous life I was a gold prospector, sifting through mud for nuggets of gold! :)

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 19/08/2009 17:56:43    397407

19/08/2009 17:55:16
Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2314

397406 19/08/2009 15:15:40
thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
Posts: 767

397147 The fact is that the GAA is a non Party political organisation. And I FULLY think that this rule should be enforced by the GAA. I for one do not want some Labour Councillor coming down to our pitch to raise money for any cause no matter how noble. I do not want FF, FG, SF or any other party using the grounds either. this does not beneftit the community. It divides it.

So would you condemn or support a hurling manager for promoting a labour candidate in the Euro elections?


On live TV (still on GAA premises - Semple Stadium) no less after the Tipp V Cork Munster hurling championship!! That ok? I saw no thread on that!!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 18:12:04    397426

you're confused. If you read my post further you will see my answer. I have no problem with Jack Lynch, Sean Kelly, Jimmy Deenihan, Tom Spillane, John O'Mahony, Graham Gerraghty to name but a few that are part of a very long list of Politicians who either are or have been players or managers.

Nobody is saying that a politician cannot play or manage a GAA team. That would be rediculous. As long as they leave their politics at the gate then it is OK. they can say what they want outside. The GAA afterall does not own its members.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 19/08/2009 18:15:47    397429

there are over a thousand members in my club we all support different parties when we walk in the gate we leave that behind and we are gaa to the core , it is not right for any party north or south to use clubs for meetings or public rallys what happens now if the DUP want to use that club and when the club says no it will open a can of worms with all leagal crap and that will be bad press for the gaa and all nationalists

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 19/08/2009 18:22:18    397436

Folks, with a heavy heart I feel I have to post under an alternative user name as I do not want to suffer forever more as a result of unpopular opinion. I for one was acutely embarrassed when I read of the event in Galbally's ground. I feel I have authority to comment as I am a Tyrone supporter in good standing and have lived through the majority of the troubles. We as an organisation have made sincere and reaching actions to ensure the Protestant/Unionist community in the six counties have a place in the GAA, for one club to jeopardise this by short sightedly pandering to the views of the few is disgraceful in the extreme. I cringe when I read the posters on this forum nitpicking at the queries of the questioners and regard it as "tidying the deckchairs on the sundeck of the Titanic" What is this foolishness meant to achieve. the salient points are...

(1) Are we or are we not an organisation who is committed to accommodating all beliefs and opinions regardless of origin or race?
(2) Did Galbally Pearces not consider for one second the hurt and embarrassment they would cause by agreeing to the use of their facilities by this group?
(3) Is the rule book not sufficiently clear on the issue? If there were ambiguity present why was advice not sought?

Fair play to Nelson McCausland, in other ways his attitude to the GAA is reprehensible however what do you think the response of nationalists would be if the Shankhill Road UDA held a show of solidarity on Windsor Park? The uproar would be deafening!

We cannot run with the fox and hunt with the hounds, its time for we as a people to grow up and accept that the event was wrong, it needs to be investigated and those in the decision making process need to have the guts to stand up and explain their actions.

plaintalktyrone (Tyrone) - Posts: 3 - 19/08/2009 18:45:56    397462

With the current recession all organisations are in business and are there to make money if possible so that our games and children are looked after. I have no problem with anyone renting our premises to make money as long as we are not aligned to any party. It is business and dont they pay us for the premises. Sure dont many of the political parties collect at church gates which proves that the Catholic Church is not in favour of one party or the other !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 19/08/2009 18:47:36    397465

Fair play til ye Omaghredhand. excellent posts

BobbyB (Tyrone) - Posts: 369 - 19/08/2009 18:56:14    397469

The Chairman of my Gaa club is a member of the Political party thus breaking rule 7A, there is alot of other committee members who are members of political parties. I'd say this is common place across the country. Thus making this arguement null and void. Nothing has been done wrong here, even it was politically motivated.

JFK (Wexford) - Posts: 590 - 19/08/2009 19:21:20    397479

19/08/2009 18:15:47
thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
Posts: 769

397429 you're confused. If you read my post further you will see my answer. I have no problem with Jack Lynch, Sean Kelly, Jimmy Deenihan, Tom Spillane, John O'Mahony, Graham Gerraghty to name but a few that are part of a very long list of Politicians who either are or have been players or managers.

Nobody is saying that a politician cannot play or manage a GAA team. That would be rediculous. As long as they leave their politics at the gate then it is OK. they can say what they want outside. The GAA afterall does not own its members.

The hurling manager in question made the broadcast on live TV from Semple Stadium. The others you mention above did not (to the best of my knowledge) make any such direct broadcasts.

The actions of that hurling manager should also be subject to the same scrutiny as the matter in this thread.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 19:35:02    397489

Hipster the chances of the DUP looking to go up to Galbally are very very very slim

BobbyB (Tyrone) - Posts: 369 - 19/08/2009 19:39:49    397492

There's nothing really wrong with it, but it does give ammo do the unionist bigots...

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 19/08/2009 19:46:26    397496

we all know that bobby b but imagine if some party did ask what would happen then lets just hopes it blows over as this just not effect tyrone or ulster but all of ireland but its done we move on as we always do

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 19/08/2009 20:17:19    397525

No RLF, hurling managers should not be allowed to promote a political party on GAA soil. And the GAA should reprimand them. I have no idea who or when you are talking about though. I will take your word for it and I assume you will let us know who this was.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 19/08/2009 20:28:36    397538

19/08/2009 20:28:36
thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
Posts: 771

397538 No RLF, hurling managers should not be allowed to promote a political party on GAA soil. And the GAA should reprimand them. I have no idea who or when you are talking about though. I will take your word for it and I assume you will let us know who this was.

It was the Tipp hurling manager who did so in a post-match interview to the Munster champiosnhip match with Cork this year in thurles. he said "...I would just like to wish Alan kelly all the best in the upcoming elections..."

I believe his words may even voliate the Broadcasting Act.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 21:02:31    397576

Real Louth fan
County: Louth
Posts: 2318

It was the Tipp hurling manager who did so in a post-match interview to the Munster champiosnhip match with Cork this year in thurles. he said "...I would just like to wish Alan kelly all the best in the upcoming elections..."

I believe his words may even voliate the Broadcasting Act.
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I never saw/heard that either Ralf but obviously I would be against it for what it's worth. I wasn't having a go at either Tyrone or SF when I started this thread.

3inarow08 (Kerry) - Posts: 2455 - 19/08/2009 21:14:16    397587

So in that light can people please realise that whether it is right or not (and I believe it is wrong for all to use any organisation such as the GAA in this way) that the same rules must apply to all.

Therefore I believe that SF are being unjustifiably singled out here as I did not hear of any similar talk or action taken against the above hurling manager or political party in question.

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 19/08/2009 21:17:14    397591