Does anyone know is there going to be anything to commemorate Michael Hogan- a true hero- as part of the GAA's 125 celebrations?

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 02/07/2009 15:49:12    330019

at the risk of being excommunicated here, why is Michael Hogan such a hero? What makes him more of a hero than another fella playing that day who wasn't shot? It wasn't combat, he didn't lay down his life for Ireland so to speak. What happened him was unspeakable cruelty, horrific, and sub-human. It was wrong and it was murder. But why does it make his a hero? He was juat another man, playing hurling and shot by the Black and Tans. If he hadnt been shot, would he have died a hero? Hardly.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 02/07/2009 16:07:10    330046

There was a commeration games organised in Grangemockler where tipperary was supposed to play kilkenny in hurling and dublin in football but unfortuately that was rained off a few months ago.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 02/07/2009 16:15:12    330057

bit of background

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hogan_(Gaelic_footballer)

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 02/07/2009 16:38:13    330087

Liaminwalkinstown,

You say that he didn't lay down his life for Ireland so to speak. Maybe not but he was a member of the Irish Volunteers and the IRB and fought for Irish freedom. This makes him a hero.

People today think that a person has to be impossibly brilliant to be a hero. This is not so.

The person who sets up the pitch before the U12 match is the real hero.
The person who helps an old lady across the road is the real hero.
The person who gives up time of day to help and visit others is the real hero.

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 02/07/2009 16:53:12    330106

Liamwalkinstown,
By the way it was Football Not Hurling.

dammon (Meath) - Posts: 1291 - 02/07/2009 21:21:05    330414

Liam, for an obviously intelligent bloke, why do u talk so much ***** on this place..???? in your words

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 03/07/2009 10:33:24    330785

Think you may be outnumbered on this one Liam...

MyUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 03/07/2009 10:37:04    330789

Liam if it was one of the dublin players who was killed on that day you would say he was a hero but because it was a tipp player you say he is not a hero. Any man that was in the IRB and the irish volunteers is a hero.

PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1660 - 03/07/2009 11:00:29    330822

PK57 County: Louth Posts: 319 330822 Liam if it was one of the dublin players who was killed on that day you would say he was a hero but because it was a tipp player you say he is not a hero. Any man that was in the IRB and the irish volunteers is a hero. what a load of absolute 100% tripe!! As for being outnumbered, No problem with that lads. I knew it wouldnt appeal to the masses in here, but I still dont think the man deserves "hero" status. Legendary status without question, tragic beyond doubt and respect of course. But Heroic, no, sorry, not for me.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/07/2009 11:19:49    330851

Liam, I stopped reading when you said he was playing hurling! My grandmother was there that day and her brother was out earlier that day with the Dublin Brigade. Yes, of course he deserves to be remembered.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 03/07/2009 11:29:37    330861

Hey Liam from now on you should refuse to go to the Hogan Stand in protest! Its named after him ya know

MyUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 03/07/2009 11:33:04    330864

I never said he didnt deserve to be rememberd...where did i say that? I said i dont see how he is regarded as a National Hero....
come down off your high horses there lads!!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/07/2009 11:35:19    330865

Ah Liam of course he's a hero. He was involved in the IRA, played gaelic games and was in Croke Park when he was shot, ergo, vis a vis, he's a hero. Now, the rest of the people that were shot and killed that day, they're not heroes because they didn't check all the regular boxes of what makes an irish hero.

The term hero is thrown out far too regularly nowadays.

Sorry to go back to leaving cert history here boys and girls but one of the topics I remember writing about was whether those who were in the GPA in 1916 would have been regarded as heroes if they weren't shot and made out to be martyrs? I think Liam raises a very fair point in these terms

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 03/07/2009 11:38:27    330869

NavyNBlue
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Hahaha the GPA or the GPO??? Freudian slip there i think!

MyUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 227 - 03/07/2009 11:47:28    330881

For the record, before anyone has a go at me for what Navy just said....I DO think the men in the GPO which I presume he meant, were Heros. 100% and I disassociate myself completely from those comments. Nothing to do with me.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 03/07/2009 11:48:28    330883

Liam the term hero is usually given out of respect for a person. There were thousands of poor lads who were frightened out of their wits and had no wish to be in a battlefield but were subsequently accorded hero status because a stray shell came their way and blew them to pieces. Michael Hogan was a volunteer who on that day was simply playing Gaelic Football for his County. The fact that he was a volunteer makes him a hero to me, the circumstances of his death has struck a chord deep within the Irish pysche and in particular within the GAA. Michael Hogans name stands with the hero's of the past regardless of whether he had a gun or a football in his hand when he was murdered. I've read what you posted and note that you did not say anything disrespectful about him but it seems to me twas a case of you trying to water down his status within the minds and hearts of present day GAA supporters. What your motivation is in doing that baffles me but then the motivation of some of your other posts are equally hard to comprehend. I do find it ironic that you would make such a post on a forum that bears his name.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 03/07/2009 11:50:19    330885

He should be rememberd. For all those who think that he shouldnt I ask why not?

Orlaith (Derry) - Posts: 4282 - 03/07/2009 12:03:13    330904

Pardon my typo there folks

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 03/07/2009 12:11:01    330917

Navyn'blue your typo is no problem pal tis the rest of your post I have a problem with. By the way the ergo part was ok but what is with this "vis a vis". It didn't make any sense to me, in the context of the sentence. Seemed like you just threw it in to sound clever, a bit pretentious I would have thought.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 03/07/2009 12:20:37    330932