i dont understand.... gaelic football is all about playing for your OWN parish with pride, leave the transfers 2 soccer.

SmallGiant (Tyrone) - Posts: 29 - 11/06/2009 22:35:51    308894

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i dont understand.... gaelic football is all about playing for your OWN parish with pride, leave the transfers 2 soccer.


You got it spot on but to many glory hunters.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 11/06/2009 22:47:22    308910

Typical Dell avoidin the issue when he's shown to actually no nothing of his own argument!
And how is sion part of the glebe? There is a church is sion and not in the glebe, so how can sion be part of the glebe!

And your someone to talk about glory hunters as urnai are poaching players from sigersons!

Dell if you cant win a debate dont advoid the issue, just admit defeat

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 12/06/2009 08:54:57    309113

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Now i advised you now am telling you to contact county board and they will tell you the mourne side falls under urney and strabane have players from the glebe and that falls under urney so not sure where your going here .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 12/06/2009 15:04:56    309512

Dell i advise you to look up the PARISH BOUNDARIES and not the county board!

Yes glebe falls under urnai, but sion and castlegrange and urney road do not!!

I dont think we'l ever agree on this one dell, as much as i normally agree with you

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 12/06/2009 16:46:24    309655

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Dell i advise you to look up the PARISH BOUNDARIES and not the county board!

Yes glebe falls under urnai, but sion and castlegrange and urney road do not!!

I dont think we'l ever agree on this one dell, as much as i normally agree with you


We shall leave it that then my friend as where not going to agree.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 12/06/2009 17:35:14    309739

dergboy if your father and uncles were playing with urnai and they were staunch derg gales something wrong ther may be it wuz because urnai were a strong team that they played for them and they were glory hunters or castlederg wuz in the donneyloop parish or castlederg had no team at the time you did not state why they played for them

tiarnan (Tyrone) - Posts: 18 - 13/06/2009 19:38:32    310422

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Indeed castlederg and doneyloop were the same parish and whilst there was no club in the castlederg area, the Castlederg men played with Urnai, indeed urnai were one of the best sides in tyrone at the time and always a hard place to go to. The team was infact made up of alot of derg men. I dont think they could have been accussed of bein gloryhunters

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 16/06/2009 13:25:20    313339

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How in the earth is donneyloop and castlederg in the same parish doonyeloop chapel is catered by clady and donnyeloop.

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 16/06/2009 17:41:47    313737

Dell i think you are jumpin the gun here! Castlederg was in the same parish as clady and doneyloop!
I think you need to go and look at the history of your club and parish which you quite clearyly know nothing about!

The key word in my statement was WERE in the same parish before the parish changes!

My father and his brothers a quite a few other castlederg men played with urney because of this! Look up your club history before thinking you know everything

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 17/06/2009 09:58:40    314364

Just to clear this up for you Dell. Castlederg was indeed part of the Urney parish and many Dergmen played with St. Columba's until parish boundaries were redrawn and prior to that St. Brigids. The dergmen, rightly, set up their own club at this stage. Parish boundaries have changed many times throughout history and this leads me on to the Strabane / Urney / Sion Mills / Glebe / Owen Roes debate. Historically the parish of Mourne (Melmount) was part of the much larger Urney parish, which extended from the south bank of the river mourne up as far as Victoria Bridge (I believe) and all along the east bank of the river finn (within county Tyrone) to Doneyloop / Castlefinn. This ialso ncludes Sion Mills, Glebe etc. Indeed the large church bell which presently stands outside of St. Mary's Church, Melmount is called the "Urney Bell" and was presented to the newly created Mourne Parish by the people of Urney and was housed in the original St. Mary's church which was once located in the graveyard opposite. Technically speaking and based on historic parish boundaries Urney GFC could draw upon players from Mourne parish, Sion Mills etc. With regards to Owen Roes drawing players from the townside of Strabane (north-bank), I stand corrected but I believe the Leckpatrick Parish begins at Strabane Courthouse on the Derry Road and as such Owen Roes can draw upon players from this area of the town. Prior to 1985 / 1986 (again I stand corrected) Strabane Sigersons always played in the townside of the river at roundhill (now Glenside) and it was only in the latter part of the 20th century that they played their football in Melmount area. Prior to the formation of Sigersons, previous Strabane GAA clubs played in Park Road (near the cricket park) and indeed county games were played here. But on the discussion of "poaching." I have never known any club to take a player against his will!! If a Strabane lad wants to play for Urney, Owen Roes etc then that is gonna happen and vice versa! No club committee will ever stand in the way of a player wanting to "transfer" to another parish. Many, but not exclusively, Strabane born and reared footballers will naturally chose to play for the club of their fathers, uncles, grandfathers etc

lamhdearg (Tyrone) - Posts: 25 - 17/06/2009 11:12:03    314463

Thanks for backing me up on that one lamhdearg

In regards to the player poaching, it does go on and the rules state you play with the parish you are born in or living in!

I know players go to other clubs because of family connections but at the end of the day it shouldnt be allowed and the clubs that are doing it should be brought into question as its against the rules!

At the end of the day their playing illegal players

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 17/06/2009 12:57:36    314605

I take your point dergboi re: poaching, but perhaps I can be devil's advocate in this one.

I dont think its quite as simple as born / live in Strabane, play for Strabane or born / live Castlederg play for Castlederg,etc etc.

It comes down to affinity to one club or another. I'm sure that you, just as I was when I was a lad, were regaled of tales of the exploits of your father / uncles / grandfathers etc and their prowess on the field of play and dreamt of growing up to emulate them! My grandfather was one of the founders of the present Urney incarnation - St. Columba's - back in the 1940's, his sons, grandsons, nephews have all togged out for Urney since then. I was born and reared in Strabane, but my affinity and affection was and is to Urney, there is a "blood" connection with that club. Its the sense of belonging, of history!

Also the social and economic problems in North Tyrone for example, between the 1960s and late 1980s led to a "muddying of the waters" so to speak. There was little or no social housing built in Clady which left many young people having to move out of the village / parish to make a home in Strabane and its environs.

In an ideal world, I agree 100% with you. But unfortunately this is not an ideal world.

lamhdearg (Tyrone) - Posts: 25 - 17/06/2009 13:31:03    314663

Dergboi, sir, the clubs can't be brought to order after the transfers have been sanctioned by the powers that be. The only way to prevent such under the counter transfers is for the clubs to to object on the correct technical grounds. - namely the player involved having fake addresses and/or fake work credentials.. It's too late to start crying about it once the transfer has been completed.

Mick O Connell (None) - Posts: 1231 - 17/06/2009 13:56:18    314698

I fully understand were your coming from Lamh, i know myself had i of been born in the aghyaran parish theres no way i could have played with them and i dont think theres anyway my family would have been allowed to play with them!

I imagine its Central council and not the county board that these rules have come from, so the GAA or the County board should enforce these rules or else aboloish them altogeather!

I understand were you are coming from also mick but its not the transfers i am having a rant about, in castlederg, alot of young boys maybe 9 or 10 going to play football for the first time playing with aghyaran and being born and rared in castlederg and having no connection with aghyaran but yet travelling up the road to play with them! I agree this is when clubs such as my own should be doing somethin

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 17/06/2009 15:11:59    314817

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istorically the parish of Mourne (Melmount) was part of the much larger Urney parish, which extended from the south bank of the river mourne up as far as Victoria Bridge (I believe) and all along the east bank of the river finn (within county Tyrone) to Doneyloop / Castlefinn. This ialso ncludes Sion Mills, Glebe etc.


Like he said all in the urney .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 17/06/2009 17:22:00    315017

dergboi- the recent u-21 win over your local rivals must have been extra sweet considering the competition for players, sir

Mick O Connell (None) - Posts: 1231 - 17/06/2009 18:21:41    315099

Wasnt bad dell considering one of the aghyaran fellas played with us at that age group but defected to aghyaran after he finished minors. And a few of their players are playing with aghyaran even though they have no connection with it. Drawing 2 players from as far as pettigo in Donegal sir!

Done a bit of diggin last night and Sion is a completely different parish from both melmount and urney!!! Taking in Sion, The glebe, Victoria Bridge and Camus. Therefore This allows them to play with urney, strabane or Newtonstewart!

Still doesnt excuse players from urney road and castlegrange goin to play with urney dell!

And dell arnt you the one who doesnt even know your own club history

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 18/06/2009 07:48:58    315557

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I do know my histrory as i read all about the book urnai mc nulty wrote few years back and urney had players from every where .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 18/06/2009 17:25:06    316199

Thats how you knew so much about derg boys playin with urnai then when i brought it up! Bit of bluffing goin on me thinks dell!

dergboi (Tyrone) - Posts: 373 - 19/06/2009 07:48:33    316704