Derry_ledd
County: Derry
Posts: 619

298447 You beat me to it starting this one Niamh.

Hope it is and isnt casement for a number of reasons.

If it is casement i will get to it, if its clones i wont.

Any time over the past 15 odd years if I could get to the Derry Tyrone game, Tyrone won.

Anytime I couldnt get to it, Derry have won (I think its 3 times form memory).

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This still stands:(

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 21/06/2009 22:53:37    318805

mikeyjohn County: Galway Posts: 123 318647 Niamh County: Derry Posts: 1769 318641 mikeyjohn County: Galway Posts: 115 318628 glass houses derryman ?? What did he say that could possibly insinuate any form of him 'throwing stones in glass houses?!' connacht football last night if you give it you got to take it. I could not ever say Derry played well Today. There were some positives though. However could you please point out to me where i made any comment on the state of connacht football. What i said was last night Mayo and roscommon were hard to watch, I said Mayo were good and roscommon missed goal chances, The game last night was hard to watch or do you disagree with me on this. If you have been reading many of my posts you will know that i do not generalise and do try to be honest in my comments. I certainly do not subscribe to the notion that Ulster football is better than any other province. I do believe that this tyrone team is some way ahead of the rest in their mental approach to the game. As i said last night in reply to your and other defensive comments who has the complexes here.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 21/06/2009 23:24:09    318836

Tyrone were great value for their 8 pt win and to be honest should have been more.Derry well they were beaten at midfield despite the efforts of Diver who had no real support in that area.Our half forwards were lightweight and not up to the task of tracking Harte and Jordan who bombed through regularly.we knew that this was going to happen but couldn't stop it.Derry didn't look like a team who were up for it.McGuckin was harshly sent off but to be honest that wasn't going to be a major factor.Tyrone look like the real deal again this year and it's going to take a big effort to stop them.You have to be able to run at them and so far that looks like only Cork at this stage.As for Derry they'll have to regroup get the players back and see what the qualifiers have to offer.a win or 2 with the players back and a bit of confidence who knows maybe get to the quarters.Going on that today there won't be many teams shaking in their boots at the thought of meeting them Tyrone just looked in a different league out there today and you do have to admire them.That's not easy to say but true.

northpole (Derry) - Posts: 739 - 21/06/2009 23:41:33    318864

Ok so now I have watched the game again on TV.

I think that Derry can draw some positives believe it or not from this game...

1. The full back line today was immense, Lockhart,Mc Guckin and Geard O Kane were fantastic, holding Mulligan, O Neill and Cavanagh to just 2 points between the 3 players speaks volumes.

2. Winning possession in midfield, Diver was great today he caught a lot of clean ball, unfortunately he is very much one dimensional and can't offer much with it, he runs up the field into 3 Tyrone players more often than not. In fact twice in the first half he stormed up the field and the Tyrone defence sort of opened for him, and he inevitably lost possession, however had that been Muldoon, Kielt or a Bradley it would have been top corner. Fair dues to him but he absolutely roasted Mc Ginley in there,


Also..there were a lot of things to look back on and try to figure out what went wrong.

1. I think that from today's performance the balance is the Derry team is very much in favour of the defenders, from all the forwards that were on only Eoin Bradley made any sort of positive impact, PB was marked out of the game by 2 or 3 men but unlike Tyrone Derry have no one else to step in and take responsibility when the s*** hits the fan and their main men are tied up.

2. Derry have too many players that are only club players, Eoghan Brown (who had a good enough day in comparison with Lynn who I though was awful and stayed on far too long), Lynn, Murphy etc aren't cut out for county football against the best in the country.

3. Damien Cassidy makes his subs too late, how Lynn stayed on as long as he did is beyond me. Very much a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

4. We have NO half forward line at all, I would say most minor half forward lines would wipe the floor with our's. Very much missed Muldoon and Kielt in this aspect.

Niamh (Derry) - Posts: 2397 - 21/06/2009 23:51:20    318880

On the whole it was disappointing, had Eoin Bradley hit the onion bag thon time opposed to blasting it over the bar who knows, we might have got within touching distance but Tyrone would have inevitably upped it a gear. Derry didn't seem up for it at all, if they can't get motivates when playing the arch nemesis it makes you question what will motivate them! It wasn't a dirty match at all, bar the handbags at the end, Kevin Mc Guckin very unfortunate to get sent off. Overall the ref was ok, was quite inconsistent at times regarding minor fouls like pushing in the back, which makes you wonder when should a ref blow up a push, as I would say it happens easily 40 times in a match the rule books states this is a foul, but do you blow it up ever time? One think that did anger me was when Derry were on the attack and the Referee noticed a '45 at the other end, this was very poor communication from the officials. I thought Tyrone were fantastic, Tommy Mc Guigan, Penrose and Hughes were outstanding, and the strength of the bench can't be argued. The only worry for Tyrone would be Sean Cavanagh's form which has dipped of late, my only other criticism of him would be that he gets away with over carrying all the time, he puts the ball under his arm and takes about 7 steps! Geard O Kane kept a tight ship today, so I think it's unfair to say that Cavanagh's form is poor at the same time though as it takes a lot of credit from O Kane who did a powerful job.

At the end of the day, Derry can't be too annoyed we were outclassed by in my opinion the best team in the country and they aren't given that title lightly. Being from Derry it's painful to be slaughtered by Tyrone but it's even harder to admit that they are light years ahead of us and the rest of the province, not to mention both Connaght and Leinster. It is refreshing to see Cork come in to try and break the duopoly.

Lastly, the draw for the 2nd round qualifiers takes place next week, from the group one winners I would worry most about getting the winner of Armagh/Monaghan, I hope to get a kind draw to allow us more time to lighten the injury list. We still can regroup and have a say in the championship. I wouldn't write us off just yet, but I wouldn't be bumming and blowing about us either. With the injured players and Ulster's two most wanted back in the fold it should give us a boost, in the words of D:ream things can only better!!

Doire Abú...

Niamh (Derry) - Posts: 2397 - 21/06/2009 23:51:28    318881

Tyrone could regret taking the easy route through Ulster, just as Armagh have over the years.

Last year Armagh cruised through Ulster, but when they met a reasonable side like Wexford they were off the pace. Tyrone have usually, like Kerry, benefitted via the back door, a wise move in my opinion.

In the last 15 years or so only two Ulster winners have won Sam. Worth thinking about.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 22/06/2009 01:16:02    318932

Niamh, Sean Marty and McGuckin were roasted.
O'Neill never really go going but he was out in front of Sean Marty every time and went past him with ease.
Penrose did even more damage on McGuckin.

The ball going into their full forward was excellent.
It's hard for any full back line to be effective when quality ball is going in to quality forwards.
Sean Marty and Kevin tried hard but you are wrong to suggest that this was a good day at the office for the full back line.

Gerard O'Kane and big Diver did rightly.
Apart from that, I didn't see too many positives for Derry.
Personally I think that yesterday was a true reflection of where we are and where Tyrone are.
Geographically close but miles apart.

Hill.Farmer (Derry) - Posts: 31 - 22/06/2009 07:58:26    318965

damien cassidy is three years and 10 players short of winning ulster

reddoctor (Tyrone) - Posts: 1241 - 22/06/2009 08:11:38    318966

The main positive I can take from that game from a Derry perspective is that they are so poor that they won't be a force in Ulster for at least five or six years. With teams like Cavan and Antrim on the up they will perhaps slip down the pecking order and be regarded as one of if not the worst team in Ulster. Before anyone starts going on about how they beat Monaghan..... They only managed to do this by underhand tactics. The Farney men are a far superior team. Finally people might stop talking about this so called rivalry they have with Tyrone - a team that really are out of their league. Once again Seany from Big Brother your boys took a hell of a beating, one hell of a beating.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 22/06/2009 09:07:01    318988

Niamh to replace Cassidy as Derry manager.

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 799 - 22/06/2009 09:10:33    318992

Thought it ironic cassidy insinuating derry didnt play to their gameplan, it was obvious to me they played to their normal gameplan. off-theball cynical negative football, the only diff between this and the derry-monaghan match was the other team didnt lower thyemselves to it. if i was a derry man and travelled and paid to watch that rubbish, i'd be ragin. the derry team didnt lick it off a stone cass, you took the credit when derry beat monaghan and you talked about not caring bout the nature of the performance, take it now when it backfired. on a separate note, i hope to god caement never sees another match outside of an antrim home game. what a waste of an ulster semi final. poor parking, poorly thought-out diversions or plans for match traffic and a terrible ground, who on earth thought it would be a good idea to have the pitch above eye level of the front few rows? the only people this match helped were the spides toppin up their sat-nav collection. one hour from sprucfield to stockman's lane and they delay the match by ten minutes! what a joke!

milo (Tyrone) - Posts: 238 - 22/06/2009 09:43:30    319010

OK, firstly well done to Tyrone on a fantastic performance, injuries and suspensions are not an excuse for Derry display. I think it was Jayo who said Tyrone won pulling up, well i totally disagree with that comment as to pull up they would have to have been under pressure. Tyrone dominated the game from 10 minutes on and simply only gave Derry small snippets.

Starting with some positives, the Diver/Hughes battle was simply great to watch, ok Hughes won hands down in the end but Diver for me was Derrys best player by a mile. He simply never gave up and that's what i expect from a Derry player in a Tyrone game. Eoin Bradley is another Derry player who i thought had a good game, not the best but he tried like mad and was certainly the best of the 3 Bradleys on the pitch.

Now, have Derry improved from last year? In simple terms no. This year from me is already a failure as the main goal was an Ulster Championship, that would have shown Ireland that we had a damn good side and that were ready to compete and if truth be told we got stuffed by easily the best side in Ireland at the moment.

The players that Tyrone have at their disposal are just wonderful, when you can take Mulligan off and bring on Dooher it just tells you the difference between us. I must say, Muggsy looks as good as he has in years - i feel with his display yesterday and the one against Armagh that he could be an '09 All Star in waiting.

In my eyes what Derry have to do now is write off 2009 and come up with at least 3 different styles of play. We are too easy to beat and STILL too reliant on PB, who i must say done ok considering there were 2 players on him. Tyrone dropped a player back to cover the supply into Bradley, and what did Derry do? Kept playing the same ball in. We looked dangerous when we ignored Bradley rather than try and feed him and it's something that we'll have to do more if we are to succeed in the future. When teams put an extra man back on PB, we have a spare man elsewere and we have to utilise that, especially against Tyrone and other sides a level below them (which we are not)

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 22/06/2009 10:53:30    319080

We were supposed to see the tactical genious against the young pretender yesterday, unfortunately the master didn't even have to scratch his beard. I have no doubt that in DC we have a brilliant manager, now we need to have the players to step up to the plate. I was really disappointed with some of his moves and switches yesterday, can someone tell me what was the point in putting on young O'Boyle for the last few minutes in the full forward line when we were getting eat alive? What did DC think he would learn from that? Mark Lynch is a player who has been touted for years in Derry and the next this, the next that, but on the county side i feel he has never produced and would feel a lot happier if he was no longer in the side. He is without doubt the most over hyped player in Derry in my opinion. Kevin McCloy sat on the bench all game, now tell me why he did not get put on when we needed shoring up? I hoped we would see a clean, hard Derry against Tyrone, and that no-one would have the chance to slate us like they did in the QF, but i was saddened to see some of the things i did. Young McGuigian in my eyes is a very lucky boy he didn't see red for what he done to Dooher and should've got lined. He's not the only one, there were others that should've walked also in my view. I cannot abide a team getting dirty when they are getting stuffed, and yesterday i was really ashamed looking at the antics of some of our players in the latter stages. That reminded me of the great Lavey club sides of the 90's and early 2000s, if they were losing with 10 to go, they got cute and cynical in a hope the opposition would lose their disipline and get a man lined or that they would lose their focus and let Lavey in to steal the victory. The big difference though is that Lavey never lost their composure or a player, they knew what they were at and they were damn good at it. They didn't win friends but they won plenty of Championships for it because they were a good team, Derry on the other hand are not a good team. What Derry done in the latter stages was cowardly and borne out of frustration. We were outclassed in Casement, and will be quite rightly dubbed as underachievers. I do not think we are underachievers, we do net deserve that tag as in my honest opinion we are over-rated and over-hyped. Derry will not achieve anything until they get forwards and midfielders that can pick scores off from over 40 yards and , as Jarlath Burns said, do the dirty horrible work of running back and defending when you don't have the ball. I always tell my players that is much easier to run when your team has possession, it shows how much you want a game when you don't have it that matters. I expect my Derry teams to run through walls when they play Tyrone, truth be told we wouldn't have broken polystyrene in Casement yesterday. Now i'm going to see the real character of this Derry team, and just who is up for the fight! Che, i really hope you learn something about Football soon, 'cos that post was probably the stupidist thing i have ever read!

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 22/06/2009 10:53:48    319081

Once again Seany from Big Brother your boys took a hell of a beating, one hell of a beating.

Ha ha - classic wind up!

Stoopid Seany!

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 22/06/2009 10:54:26    319085

The only problem I have with the strength in depth that Tyrone have is that I have to accept the fact I will never get to pull on the iconic White Jersey. Perhaps I should move to Ballinderry and whilst still residing in the beautiful wooded county of Tyrone might get a run out for Derry. I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to make the cut given some of the limited players that have pulled on the derry geansai in recent times. Then again at the age of 24 and with six years maximum left at the top level i would probably only get 12 games including the qualifiers. Would it be worthy selling my soul to get beaten by the likes of Antrim and then Carlow year on year?

Can you hear me Seany? Can you smell what the HUB is cooking?

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 22/06/2009 11:55:16    319185

24 Chefinny? Could have fooled me, I would have said more like 8.

Niamh (Derry) - Posts: 2397 - 22/06/2009 12:05:30    319204

derry simply didn't have the players today. muldoon, mc cusker(for most of the match), kielt, doherty etc . it says it all. a tyrone team without o'neill, mc ginley, mc menamin and cavanagh would struggle also so derry can look at it that way for some sort of positive. diver was the only one on the team with the will to win. it's time for a good think about who's to remain on the team. enda lynn is absolutely woeful, eoghan brown well somebody please tell me why he's there, he has no composure or footballing brain at all. derry need to get rid of the tactic to use a two man full forward line because in crunch games it fails miserably. i personally think they need a big man in there to win some sort of ball. kevin hughes played well but to be honest he wouldn't have touched leather if doherty and muldoon were there to eat up everything. tyrone were fully deserved of their win and all i can say is good luck to them.

ballinderryman (Derry) - Posts: 98 - 22/06/2009 12:14:28    319229

For me the best player on the Derry team yesterday was Gerard O'kane. He man marked last years player of the year out of the game. Anytime cavanagh got near the ball O'kane was there on him. Diver had a good game but was beaten by hughes. The stats show Hughes won more clean ball in the middle but the player who won the most breaking ball of the 2 teams was O'Kane. We were actually 50/50 in the midfield battle.

When the game was really lost for Derry was in the first ten -15 minutes of the second half. If we were going to make a game of it, it would have been here, we had all the possession and alot of promising moves but we failed to register a score to bridge the 3 point gap. Tyrone then got the frist point of the second half after about 15 minutes and they didnt look back.

Paddy Bradley wasnt double markled, Conor Gormley just played in front of the back 2 and sweeped up everything. Eoin Bradley played half forward which allowed him to get alot more possession.

I think it was a day when everything that could have went wrong went wrong. Tyrone has a very good team and are undoubtedly favorites, it is toop early eyt though ot write their name on sam.

Dont think Derry hould be writing of 09 either Bald Eagle. You sound like some of the Tyrone fans who were calling for Harte's head last year. We'll not win Sam but their is some pride to be salvaged. there is alot taht can be learned from yesterday and the qualifiers is the place to do it.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 22/06/2009 12:35:27    319248

So disappointed with Derry and was a routine day out for Tyrone in the end. Fine trademark point from Harte which i got a glorious view of standing behind the goal to the right. I think Derry will show their footballin ability in the qualifiers if they avoid ulster opposition.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 22/06/2009 12:53:24    319275

ballinderryman, I never really rated him that highly before but I would Raymond Wilkinson have made a difference? I know he is on a sabbatical but I think Gilligan could have took a few scores today as well.

Niamh (Derry) - Posts: 2397 - 22/06/2009 13:13:42    319309