bumpernut the soccer team is 32 countys and represents 32 countys. how are we ever going to get a united country with people like you willingly accepting a divide

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4124 - 31/03/2009 18:25:31    244798

FFS folks we are all gaels on this site, the amount of stereotypical slagging, no not slagging abuse, has gone too far. The argument is whether Casement is the better ground to be developed, can we not please debate this instead of personal insults. This whole culchie/ westie nonsense has gone too far.
Personally i prefer Clones, due to the ground and the atmosphere, but if Casement is redeveloped so be it. A few people have mentioned crime problems and robberies in West Belfast, yet ive never heard of anyone visiting Casement having been robbed. The only time ive ever been robbed at a game was when i was charged 12 euro for 2 burgers for my 2 lads in Clones on Ulster final day.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 31/03/2009 19:19:26    244820

samin10
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Give me a drunk Armagh or Tyrone youth anyday ahead of 15 year old West Belfast glue sniffer


Samin. Now you know there was no call for that, so I will not take issue.

I am the one who ALWAYS insists that I was raised in mainly middle class (economics) Andersonstown, home of Hollywood stars. And even today you can find 15 year old Grammer school on the way to uni members of the Legion of Mary in Andersonstown.

One thing I must point oput. The trouble in the Holyland is CONSTANT. And alas as Susan Breen pointed out you cannot believe the students. The best story was the one were the parents9from Tyrone) were disputing with an elderly resident that their son was a hood. "He doesn't drink, he is a pioneer" was the gist.

Alas the poor lad was that stupid that he thought his parents wouldn't be back that night, and alas when they arrived he was on a roof relieving himself on passer bys, drunk as a skunk. I think the parents revised their opinion.

But the trouble is nightly, if you think setting wheelie bins on fire, roaring and shouting at all hours, breaking car windows, and using the street as a toilet constitutes trouble.

Thankfully the troubles are over, otherwise there would have been serious consequences.

PS: West Belfast Hoods do not leave West Bel;fast, it is a territory thing, and fear of the unknown.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/03/2009 21:25:04    244888

been robbed in Croker plenty lately the price of the Burgers is criminal have to make do with just the 2 now :0(

williewentwell (Tyrone) - Posts: 1712 - 31/03/2009 21:35:29    244903

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PATRIQUE England should never be allowed in croke park or anywhere near it .



I doubt if Northern Ireland will be anywhere near it either but you wanted to ban Casement because there was trouble at the Northern Ireland match.

As a great man for precedent, I just thjought you might be consistent on this one.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/03/2009 21:35:33    244904

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Patrique - I know you have said before but what Béal Feirste club do you belong to if you don't mind me asking.



None.

I now live in Antrim Town and I am PRO for St Comgall's, and alas I have just been given the task of reviving hurling in the town.

In Belfast I played for Pearse, Eire Og, Gael Uladh, Sarsfields and Rossa. The family club would be Rossa, and I suppose that is where my allegiance lies.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 31/03/2009 21:38:13    244913

Jeez, Sean Og they must have been supersize burgers at that rate of going. You mentioned that you dont ever remember anyone being robbed in casement, well funny I do recall the entire match takings being stole during a championship game in the late 80's. Might have been Tyrone V Down, not sure. Anyway the last robbery relating to casement and the match takings took place when a Tyrone official was robbed in Dungannon Co Tyrone with the match takings, so where is safe I ask the question. But like you said I dont remember any individual getting robbed or having their property vandalised in or around casement. Dublin/Croke not only has the potential for car theft/pick pocketing but you also have the uniformed daylight clamper robbers to contend with never mind risking your car being washed away in a flash flood!

mugsys_barber (Tyrone) - Posts: 2160 - 31/03/2009 21:46:27    244923

dellboy polecat why

leroy (UK) - Posts: 223 - 31/03/2009 22:09:12    244949

Yeah can remember that robbery at Casement now Mugsy, but as we both stated dont recall hearing any personal stories of theft.
Even better the fella was looking 50 cents extra to put a slice of cheese on those burgers, my 2 lads had to cover their ears for the next few minutes!!
At the end of the day i think the fans are in a win win position, for if it comes to a fight between Belfast and Clones on who has the better facilities, bring it on!!

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 31/03/2009 22:41:14    244987

hopefully this will improve interest among young lads in belfast to play the gaa sports if they see big games between the big teams in their backyard!! maybe im wrong....

premierman21 (Tipperary) - Posts: 429 - 01/04/2009 00:20:58    245074

patrique "One thing I must point oput. The trouble in the Holyland is CONSTANT" This is very much true. I have a brother living in the Holylands and he says St Paddys Day was pretty similar to what goes on any other night( bar the riots) Wheeley bins set on fire, ******* on the street coming home from nightclub. Just wrecking the place in general. Its an everyday thing in the Holylands. So I dont think you should relate this (violence/thuggery) to Casement park.

Plastic Paddy (Tyrone) - Posts: 664 - 01/04/2009 00:21:28    245075

The "robbery" at Casement in the 1980s was more of a donation.

The second one, where the gate man from Casement was robbed somewhere near Dungannon, well that was my oul mate Mid Mon Man and accomplices from Tyrone and Armagh in a bid to discredit Casement.

They used to the proceeds to set up their own burger van in Clones.

Elementary my dear Sean Og.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 01/04/2009 00:44:19    245087

Sorry but have to disagree with you about personal lose at casement the McKenna cup final a couple of years ago Tyrone v Monaghan after the match a Castlederg woman was approaching her car to her amazement a couple of wee hoodies were inside and trying to drive off with her car even with the intervention of a couple of burly men couldn't prevent the motor being taken, The Women had 4 children with her that day and was left to spend the rest of the day reporting the incident to the PSNI we did offer her and the kids a lift as far as Dungannon on our bus but it was taken ages for her to be able to make a statement. Terrible end to the day for that lady. This would never happen in Clones. But the Sports Minster will not give money to Clones so looks like we will be stuck with Casement! But I would never take my car there in the words of Big Ian NEVER!NEVER!NEVER!

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 01/04/2009 03:08:21    245101

The thing that annoys me about Casement Park is the delay in getting off the motorway. You get to within 5 miles of Casement on C/ship days and spend an hour or more sitting in your car in a line of traffic. Clones wins hands down because of the craic in the pubs beforehand. The bit of friendly banter adds to the day win or lose !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 01/04/2009 10:04:31    245161

Its becoming clearer now Patrique, and the diesel used to run the burger van was from...... :)

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 01/04/2009 10:13:02    245166

fortyfive you must spend your whole life wrapped in cotton wool. See if you were to spend your whole life not doing things because of what MIGHT happen you would NEVER do anything. You wouldn't drive or walk on a country lane, that would be well too dangerous. certainly would play sport incase you dropped dead. 'Oh I might get my car nicked in West Belfast I am never going' how sad are you? I tell you one thing you are missing out on visiting a great place because the atmosphere round our second city is fantastic right now. Personally I love a big day out in Croke because you get to take in a bit of Dublin with all its facilities. Belfast COULD in time replicate that to an extent Clones couldn't. Fella from Tipperary you don't need to hope that any developments get the fellas from Belfast playing the GAA those that want to will and always have. The GAA is thriving in the city google St Galls son. At the end of the day it is a city and that foirin sport will always be a pull just as it is in Dublin I don't want converts I want Gaels. At the end of the Day the Ulster Board know better than us so I will wait on their decision.

CheFinny (UK) - Posts: 1358 - 01/04/2009 10:13:15    245167

Ive been to casement countless times over the years and parked everywhere from andytown rd, shawsrd, kennedy centre, glen rd without ever having an issue with safety or ever witnesssing any car crime. The bars Ive been in are always good craic and the locals very welcoming - its patently obvious that many west of the bann are letting their prejudices about belfast cloud their judgement

come on lads - wise up - casement is a great ground and brilliant surface - it has been under-used and needs this funding and development and the big games to show you doubters how good it is!!!!

Pairc Mhic Asmaint Abu!!!!

stranmillis29 (Antrim) - Posts: 788 - 01/04/2009 10:53:57    245202

Hey lads, its simple:

Casement:
- 3 lane motorway
- parking
- great pitch

Clones:
- stands
- size

If money goes into Casement stands then there's no comparison. Clones will always be a pain to get to/out of.

Saffron_in_Dub (Antrim) - Posts: 85 - 01/04/2009 11:11:59    245211

Right.

People seem to have been ignoring my point so maybe im wrong. So please correct me if i am.

Is this debate not irrelevant as the NI government will not be funding a stadium south of the border.

And just to add, some of the commenst regarding west belfast are disgraceful. Surprised some have been posted.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 01/04/2009 11:28:58    245233

Its funny that, Derry_ledd, isn't it? You'd nearly think some posters were discussing a different topic entirely.

pearsesabu (Antrim) - Posts: 663 - 01/04/2009 15:30:17    245476