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Dell

Remember the Love Ulster riots in Dublin in February 2006? Will that put you off attending Croker if Tyrone get to another All Ireland semi final or final?



But that parade will never be in dublin again boss .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 30/03/2009 00:13:02    242938

Indeed Dell but you used the Windsor riot as an excuse for the anti-Casement argument. Are you saying that trouble in ANY major city should be an arguement NOT to stage large sporting and non sporting events there? With respect Dell that is weak, VERY weak.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 30/03/2009 00:17:00    242940

the point is the polish went there to cause a fight and they didnt in dublin. they like the irish so took the nationalist side and thats why they caused trouble in and around windsor. the unionist just responded and their response was pretty poor.

soccer hooliganism never really took of on this island the same way as in places like italy and argentina and also the fights ever only took place around the stadium or the close by on match day. they wouldnt come out specially to a GAA stadium to cause trouble. so all arguements of GAA fans safety are irrelevant

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4124 - 30/03/2009 00:23:46    242947

So Dell should London NOT be the Olympic city in 2012 because there will be anti-G20 protests this week and more than likely trouble?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 30/03/2009 00:24:59    242948

and yes there is talk of holding another love ulster march in dublin. gardaí have already said yes to it so expect another one in the next few years

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4124 - 30/03/2009 00:26:03    242951

I would prefer Clones. Its just because of the fond memories I have from there.

Plastic Paddy (Tyrone) - Posts: 664 - 30/03/2009 00:31:47    242953

Firstly Omaghjoe, I was not insulting you, I even put the first sentence in to reassure you. I just think you are out of date with the current status of Belfast. I wouldn't walk up the Donegal Road in a GAA top, but hundreds of students walk from Queen's to town in GAA tops, skirting the Donegal Road and running parallell top Sandy Row. Some of them even use Sandy Row. So things have changed a bit. As for promoting GAA in Belfast, we already have two clubs who are current all Ireland champions, St Galls and Rossa, and we wouldn't want to be too greedy and dominate the sport. From 1920 to 1950 Belfast did dominate GAA in the six counties so there is valid history there and a vast potential.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/03/2009 00:57:25    242963

people are seriously missing the point, clones is not an option for NI government funding, for obvious reasons. So Its between casement, cross, the marshes, brewster, celtic park and healy park. In that case, as much as i dont like it i would say casement.

In regards to the holylands issue, i would class myself as a resident as I live there with my gf and work full time. St Patricks day is only a small part of the problem, if you are coming home from a night out and decide to sing a song or just shout and scream randomly, you are waking up people who ahve work, children who have school, etc etc. For 4 nights of the week students think they own the place, then at the weekends they go home so there mammy can do there washing, and to say it is not gaa folk is laughable, the number of times ive been woken by "cmon tyrone, cmon tyrone, cmon tyrone tyrone" is unbelievable. Saying that tho i was once a student and realise now i was not as mature as i thought i was back then.

Derry_ledd (Derry) - Posts: 2093 - 30/03/2009 10:02:56    243036

proves my point that currently Casement is a dump and not worthy of hosting any big games. People calling for Ulster finals to be held there saying its a better venue than clones look pretty stupid now.

samin10 (Armagh) - Posts: 2434 - 30/03/2009 13:07:51    243306

Eh patrique...OK you know infinitely more about Belfast than I and I do agree that some of the perceptions of Belfast from some posters are about 10 years out of date. But find me a Queens student who will walk down Sandy Row on his own in a GAA top and Ill show you a very brave man..

spudenator (Laois) - Posts: 1052 - 30/03/2009 13:54:52    243369

Have no fear whatsoever of going to Casement, the problem i do have is the lack of atmosphere, big match days in Clones are very hard to beat.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1072 - 30/03/2009 14:45:35    243443

the tradition of clones was killed when they started playing ulster finals outside of ulster. clones certainly has better atmosphere but no money will be given to a county outside the 6

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 30/03/2009 16:08:46    243591

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proves my point that currently Casement is a dump and not worthy of hosting any big games. People calling for Ulster finals to be held there saying its a better venue than clones look pretty stupid now.


Glad to see you and Gregory are in agreement Samin.

Mind you, sports stadiums are updated on a regular basis, doesn't mean they are a dump, such as Old Trafford (the football stadium).


Alas Spudenator it is usually students from the South who do this, dandering down the road in a Clare/Cork jersey.

And, how many of you have experienced the "big match" atmosphere at Casement, the atmosphere you are quick to condemn.

Now in the 1960s all the finals were at Casement, jam packed, and a wonderful atmosphere. The last time that happened was in 1992, Down V Derry Ulster semi final. Now unless you were at that game, or you are over 50, you haven't experienced big match atmosphere at Casement so how can you compare it to Clones?

Clones might have atmosphere in the pubs, but Casement is still the better ground, and better pitch.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/03/2009 17:27:53    243752

Maybe its just me but the argument is done the people we elected chose casement so all the Armagh, Monaghan, Donegal etc anti belfast brigade can just shove off.

West belfast probably has more Irish Language speakers than the whole of monaghan, it has loads of gaa clubs and gaa members in the area of casement and the atmosphere would be better if the stand was at pitch level which im pretty sure will happen with this money.

The people on here maybe arent gaa members there idea is that because belfast "is more concerned with the celtic score" they should get it -but surely under the ethos that the games need promoted this is something the gaa should be working on ie provide proper stadia for one, give that stadia proper matches. This would be good promotion to show the glamour of big matches in belfast might make kids not travel accross the irish sea for the plastic paddy brigade in glasgow.

Looking forward to seeing the new casement hopefully it goes ahead and lads give it a chance.

As for the arguement that it should be an all seater why isnt croker? Dont give me the cock n bull about the hill it could have been built up and a terrace left at the bottom.

North Side Gael (None) - Posts: 1076 - 30/03/2009 17:48:17    243783

North Side Gael, I'm not exactly sure what the numbers of Irish speakers in Monaghan has to do with this debate. Does that determine the atmosphere for a match? As far as I'm aware Drumcondra isn't a hot-bed for Irish speakers. In fact there've been a couple of new Irish schools opened across the county in recent years so I think we're doing grand in that regard considering we're not exactly in a Gaeltacht area. And what if west Belfast has more Irish speakers, is that not a result of the vast difference in population? Big deal in fairness.

I'm by no means one of the "anti-Belfast brigade" that you talk of, Casement is a grand spot and a good place to go to games, I just prefer Clones. That's obvious, as is the fact that you'll always prefer Casement. I've no problem with Belfast, I've never had any trouble but I do know people who've had a bad experience and don't like the place because of that.

mid-mon man (Monaghan) - Posts: 1680 - 30/03/2009 18:23:30    243821

ULSTERMAN

So Dell should London NOT be the Olympic city in 2012 because there will be anti-G20 protests this week and more than likely trouble?

I do see your point and i believe the olympics be different but no international soccer cups should be held in england and polish fans i am not big fans off find it hard to believe they went to belfast for fighting ,

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 30/03/2009 18:33:44    243827

croker cant be built up as there are loads of houses under hill 16 and they would be completely shaded. so it cant be built any higher. the original plan was to build the whole thing the same as the other stands, all joining and seated. but its better the way it is at the moment. although they ruined the canal on meath fans

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4124 - 30/03/2009 18:43:01    243836

30/03/2009 18:33:44
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So Dell should London NOT be the Olympic city in 2012 because there will be anti-G20 protests this week and more than likely trouble?

I do see your point and i believe the olympics be different but no international soccer cups should be held in england and polish fans i am not big fans off find it hard to believe they went to belfast for fighting ,



And what about Republic V England at Landsdowne, the riot? Does that rule out Croke?

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 30/03/2009 23:19:34    244096

PATRIQUE England should never be allowed in croke park or anywhere near it .

Dellboypolecat (Tyrone) - Posts: 15069 - 30/03/2009 23:23:50    244100

Patrique - I know you have said before but what Béal Feirste club do you belong to if you don't mind me asking.

Dubinmeath (Dublin) - Posts: 1123 - 30/03/2009 23:29:34    244112