Patrick, i do not have anyone to put forward in respect of standing for election (not to say i havent spoken to individuals), if you read my posts i have been repeatedly asking if anyone new is standing for election that has been approached by other personnel, again like in previous posts i do not claim to have all the answers but am very interested in helping progress. Also as pointed out, i was too late with my proposal of having league completed before champ, but it wasnt even discussed on here! we had other suggestions but no discussions, so whos to know what people thought...good or bad I would just like to see some change, and am willing to try most things but if we cant even discuss the pro's and cons of a proposal then it will be too late and might be a terrible idea for our game in warwickshire. i will yet again refer to the proposal from St Finbars a few years ago for returning to 3 divs, this was an awful idea at the time but it was clear that the room had not thought it through and it was passed................if we had the chance to discuss it on here then maybe the proposal would have been given more thought!.....the motion was put forward.................it was countered....................."this is the system at home".........all the sheep went Baaahhhhhhh!!!!! I know this is an example that i refer to but it just shows the lack of preparation that we as menmbers of the GAA are guilty of........because we are afraid to talk to people from out side our clubs....i can pretty much guarantee that a ridiculas motion will be passed at the weekend because not enough thought will of been given. Lets hope i am wrong!

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 07/12/2009 08:17:46    505588

Bothered, the motion of 3 divisions was not put forward by St Finbarrs but it was supported strongly by one of the Finbarrs delegates. At the time you had an intermediate divison consiting of about 11 or 12 teams and a senior divison of 6. In the intermediate divison that year you had nearly 50% of the games that were not played, it was felt that by operating Senior, Intermediate and Junior divisions that you would have more chance of completting all the games. It was not voted in or agreed by delegates just because that's what they do at home, because what happens at home and what happens in Warwickshire is different due to circumstances.

As it turns out the 3 divisons haven't worked and there should be a move back to 2 divisions of equal numbers, but unless greater thought is given amongst other things to the timing of fixtures and games we will be having the same debate we have had in Warwickshire for the last 10 years or more.

No doubt we will all be playing again in March/April/October/November/December with most of the Summer off!!!

bill1 (UK) - Posts: 7 - 07/12/2009 14:10:15    505894

Patrick
I don' think you have read my post.
I am not proposing more leagues, actually reducing them.
Also the championship to stay as it is, senior intermediate and junior on knock out bases.
My reason for suggesting using the cups which are being played for at the moment, is they would have a meaning to winning them.
It is obvious that most players and clubs are not interested after the championship is finished. You only have to look at teams not fielding or just a sceleton team to fullfill the fixture.
There are so many cups at present its like Irish dancing, you can win a trophy if you are second last.
I don't believe it would be fair on junior clubs, having to play senior clubs who have an intermediate team, take John Mitchells intermediate team for example playing junior, in a two grade set up which you are suggesting.

I spoke with a club sectretrary today there are still no convention books out to clubs.
Are you joking when you ask contributers to contact the county sec. for clarification ?
I hope clubs will bear this in mind when electing a sectretrary, and explain to him or her what they are taking on.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 07/12/2009 14:47:45    505936

I see that once again, it looks as if we are going to be carrying competitions over into next year with the postponement of yesterdays Fr Taffe and Fr Forde finals. This situation is absoloutley unnecessary on a number of fronts.
I headed out to PNH yesterday looking forward to two good games to be greeted by the news they were cancelled.
Although there looked to be a bit of water about, the pitches were by no means as bad as the previous week when the U21 game and the Mulligan cup final went ahead. For the sake of finishing the season, the games should have went ahead.
That said, there is also no reason to be playing in December anyway with the amount of weekends early in the year without games.

gael2000 (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 07/12/2009 14:47:49    505937

"The Father Forde is traditionally a winter competition so are the leagues." T

These are the thoughts of a prominent board member when i questioned the logic of putting the fixtures on in Nov/Dec when my own club went nearly 3 months without a game in the summer!

It appears that whilst the current board is in place, there will be no room for positive change and the farcical scenes of yesterday will be repeated year in year out.

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 07/12/2009 15:56:47    506052

Very disappointing, and frustrating. We heard at 1.00 yesterday that the game had been called off by the Chairman, who deemed the pitch unplayable.
I think with it being the last game to be played on it this year it could have been played. Our players had to wear Snorkels to play last years Fr Taffe final against Barnabas.
We offered Macs the chance to play the game in Coventry but it was declined as they had already been informed the game was off. Not sure why it hadn't been thought of as a contingency anyway, as it is the best draining pitch around. Cant see it being played this year now.

Hman (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 07/12/2009 17:46:45    506246

A Conspiracy theorist would have a field day with yesterdays game cancellations. Surely a team ready to play a final wouldnt struggle to travel another 12.5 miles in the effort to fulfill a fixture and draw the season to an end. I have a few thoughts why they wouldnt travel to Coventry......... .....Sunday traffic on the A45 is a nightmare, i mean who wants to get in a car for another 20 minutes!!!

doire93 (Derry) - Posts: 61 - 07/12/2009 18:55:32    506339

Hman, question for you, who in Mcdermotts club did you speak to about playing the game in Coventry,and at what time did you have this conversation ????

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 07/12/2009 20:17:27    506476

Moonshine, Hman is away with the fairies he's trying to insinuate that we are afraid to play FMs, he is also the guy who wrote a match report stating cuffe, ryan and harkin done this that and the other in the cup final when any neutral at the game would see that these players played insignificant roles in the game, he then also names 4-5 FMs players in the Warwickshire select team, maybe if you had dowling lyons and bennett in your side and your keeper, thats your 4.

Hope you can bring all your talk to the field next year as Macs aren't going away.

macsforfive (Tipperary) - Posts: 164 - 07/12/2009 21:27:54    506566

Moonshine and macsforfive, I'm not trying to insinuate anything., I'm stating facts.
I didn't speak to anybody from Macs but one of our officers tried to contact Eddie but eventually spoke to Joe Dowling at about 1.10 about the possibility of moving the game to Holbrooks. They also spoke to Karl the County secretary who cleared it with the Chairman to be played in Coventry. and was to speak to eddie.
However at around 1.30 the secretary phoned back to say that Macs could not play as they had informed their Players that the game was off. All FACTS no insinuations.
Which is exactly how i put it earlier on.

Hman (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 07/12/2009 22:02:33    506623

Macsfor five, I suggest you go back and find this post that you keep referring to where i had 5 FM players in the warwickshire select because i cant recall it. The 15 was made up predominantley of Macs players, but I did include Cuffe, Dec Harkin and Marc Ryan., I don't see how anyone can dispute these choices.

Hman (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 07/12/2009 22:06:26    506627

Bill1

I stand corrected that St Finbars did not put that motion forward, tough like i have been trying to say it was strongly supported by St Finbars (amongst others) and what thought was really put into it. The St Finbars delegate did come out with "this is the system at home" quote, he is a great gael but we need modern forward thinking!!

51 games had not been played! adding a third div meant MORE fixtures, as each div would require a champ at the very least and poss cups!! absolute madness

NO thought had been given. This forum is an opportunity to discuss matters and put forward any idea's or personel that may improve GAA in warwickshire, christ you can even stay anonymous!!!! what have we to lose by getting together and discussing the problems that exist.

No one has either mentioned a motion or candidate for convention on hear? Why? not wanting to repeat myself but surely you would like to gain some support for any idea's you may have.

Again!! will the current board be re elected because they are the right candidate for the position or because they are nice people.

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 08/12/2009 06:52:07    506840

bothered I have not been to a convention here, as I am only in the uk 8 months. Just reflecting on the points you make. 51 games not played in a senior junior set up. Why were games not played ? Was it not because some clubs were out of their dept, and unable to compete? Were they League or championship ? Don't fix the one that is not broke. If teams are not able to win ocassional games, players lose interest and move on or just give up. More grades, does not mean more games, if you have the same number of clubs you should have same number of games, in a two grade league system you will have more games. While I know you cannot compare here with at home, and I'm sure no one wants to. My county is ran in four districts. My own district has 12 clubs which field grades in: senior hurling, senior football, intermediate hurling football and hurling, junior a,b, and c in both hurling /football as well as u 21. My own club has 5 players on the county football panel panel and 2 on hurling panel. All league games are played except semi and final with or without county players as available and was finished in Sept. All championship games were finished in time for the start of the club championship. So what I am saying is, if there is a will there is a way. I thought that the football championships here were competative this year, senior intermediate and junior, no team put up a cricket score in any game which I attended. For the winners of intermediate and junior you would have got great odd's at start of the year. Of all the games which were cancelled this year how many were in the championship and how many were league? And equally how many cup games were conceded? Hopefully someone will have the statistics available, when you want to change it is important that you have all the facts, no hearsay. Think long and hard befor changing championship to senior / junior. I believe the league should be brought to 2 divisions, and yes more games, no player wants to hang aroun for 6 to 8 weeks without a game.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 08/12/2009 11:29:20    506994

Millbrook,

I cant give you a breakdown of why the games were not played, it was a stat that was given at convention but it was league games as far as i know an basically some clubs pulled out as they were struggling to field.

It was a shambles!!

I would like to see why we cannot organise a fixture list, obviously ther are issues with regards to county (all age/grades has an effect) but surely provisions can be made for that? All please let me know other reasons as i may be missing something!? there must be more to it as we have failed to do one up to now.

Everyone wants regular games! there are periods of 6-8weeks with no games then straight into a championship, trust me it has happened. Clubs ask for free weekends, this is fine but one club asked for 8 this year!?!? fairly sure they didnt get them but all the same what is to stop them asking.

Games need to be fixed..........played..........enjoyed.........simple as. If you are missing your star player/s, then tough! A few years ago games were played on thursdays and sat evenings......Personally i loved the sat eve games as it was a good start to the night with no work in the morning, but enough of my lack of professionalism.

I just want regular GAA and all clubs firing!! as it does improve the interest and enjoyment for all

Let me know your thoughts.

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 08/12/2009 14:13:00    507170

hman.......... looks like moonshine and macsforfive have gone on their christmas holidays early!!

doire93 (Derry) - Posts: 61 - 09/12/2009 00:45:56    508071

hman, looks like macsforfive and moonshine have gone away on their christmas holidays early

doire93 (Derry) - Posts: 61 - 09/12/2009 08:16:06    508089

moonshine? Macsforfive?.................are you there?

Hman (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 09/12/2009 08:30:33    508090

Was at the provincial meeting in Birmingham there a couple of weeks ago and there was a club from another county granted permission to apply to play in the Warks league, i asked some of the Warks delegates why this team applied to play there as well as their own league and they told me it was because they wanted more games!!! I hope some of the members of that club read this and realise what a shambles the league they wish to enter is!!!!!

Bald Eagle (None) - Posts: 1009 - 09/12/2009 09:13:57    508099

Hman,still here. As Macs4five says `Macs arent going away`. You said in your second post that you stated facts,well if you take a look at your first one you will see that you only stated half of them,you just said that Macs declined the offer to play the game in coventry, Just wondering why you didnt state all your facts first time around.
Macs players were told the game was off by the time your club offical made contact with joe dowling.
It would not have bothered Macs to play in coventry,because as far as we are concerned would have the beating of you.

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 09/12/2009 18:41:04    508755

Moonshine, I did only state facts in my first post, but you and Macs4five were trying to say i was making insinuations. Go back and have a look at the post, It says we offered Macs the chance to play in Coventry but they declined as they had alresdy been told the game was off. This is exactly what yo are saying now.
Did it matter that i didn't include a call log.
however even after you were told the game was off, it would have only taken a few phobe calls to get it back on again if you really wanted it, bearing in mind this all took place at 1.00pm and the game was not due to start until 2.30pm, but i guess with you's all being the nice guys you are you had all arranged to take your Grannys out for Sunday lunch by then.
Its alright saying on Thursday night 'we would have played'.
p.s You were dead on with your predictions for the semi final results, perhaps you saw into the future again.

Hman (Donegal) - Posts: 111 - 09/12/2009 20:10:11    508913