Cheers Millbrook,

You explained the procedure very clearly. The Club committe element could provide a stumbling block considering my club don't actually have one!!

Hopefully another club, given the opinions of others on this forum will forward a motion promoting the restructuring of the adult league competitions. Even such backward thinking individuals which exist in this county have to realise that this is highly neccessary.

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 03/12/2009 12:14:20    501790

che

if your club does not have a functioning comitte, you may need to look at your clubs constuition and take it from there. see what options there are,
also request club chairman or sectretrary to send you to convention as a delegate.

motions can always be amended by the chair with the agreement of proposer and other clubs,

patrick.


what clubs are trying to do is avoid the shamble of fixtures and adminstration of this past this year and put something or sombody in place for devolepment of g.a.a in future years.
I am sure any club putting forward motions will have checked out if they are at variance with rules and bylaws.

you are looking for perfection in an imperfect world, there will always be people who will look to nitpick.
Does this mean we should continue as we are at present and do nothing?
There is a momentum in place for change now, which hopefully will continue after convention. This is going to take more than just talk. It will need committment from all parts, county board, clubs, players, managers to work together for the promotion / running of games.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 03/12/2009 13:23:13    501855

Patrick, you sound like a committee member ? This is exactly the point i am trying to make in regards to forward thinking and disscussion. You are saying that this and that need to be adheared to, and i totally agree, but why can we all not come up with idea's and then see and disscuss how this can be put forward to comply with the rules and bye laws, rather than if its not worded properly then throw it out. I know you are trying to get the information out there but lets have the idea's first.

As we are aware, it is too late for further motions for this year, so lets discuss the motions that have been put forward, clubs will have either been given the agenda and if not then individuals from clubs should at least know their own proposals.

Also are there any candidates for positions

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 03/12/2009 14:06:57    501893

Has the agenda for the meeting being distributed yet?? And whose responsibilty is it ensure that this is distributed to the club delegates who are to be in attendance? Please forgive my naiveity and lack of information as my club isn't the best when it comes to communicating!

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 03/12/2009 15:04:09    501956

well done to warwickshire on winning the u21s.. but if london had any sort of a full team out, they would have walked that game on sunday, so i wouldnt start getin carried away that you have the stars of the future on your hands there lads!... would def agree that it is a ridiculous time of year to be playing these games with the amount of lads away at univeristy, and with the season, its very difficualt to keep lads stayin in the night before.. well done to warwickshire all the same.

munsterboyo (Cork) - Posts: 7 - 03/12/2009 17:13:57    502074

Che are you on here again chatting to yourself? Who has brainwashed you into thinking our club has problems? If we don't have a committee then how are we running? One man can't do it all on his own or the club would be a joke on the verge of folding. Don't worry though i'm only back on here as I hear the lads are going to take over management and sort everything out at the agm and get the only successful team in EGB back on track, once again the grand old duke of york will march at Holly Lane. Che your welcome to come and join us any time or are you boldmere in disguise?

egbhardcore (UK) - Posts: 25 - 03/12/2009 22:02:06    502441

Bothered
County: Leitrim
Posts: 13

"Patrick, you sound like a committee member ? This is exactly the point i am trying to make in regards to forward thinking and disscussion. You are saying that this and that need to be adheared to, and i totally agree, but why can we all not come up with idea's and then see and disscuss how this can be put forward to comply with the rules and bye laws, rather than if its not worded properly then throw it out. I know you are trying to get the information out there but lets have the idea's first."

Bothered - there is little doubt that Patrick is an "insider".

Box13 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 04/12/2009 13:12:50    502911

Millbrook & Bothered, I am just keen to see that things are done in such a manner that they cannot be scuppered and for that reason the proposer of a motion should try hard to get it right. My post is intended to be helpful to anyone considering putting a motion in. Everyone talking about it doing it should be pesting their own club secretary with their ideas and I applaud those who are asking questions here. The quality and volume of motions submitted by clubs over the years would suggest that the clubs themselves are not really interested in changing things. We are the members of clubs and it is our responsibility. If your club officers arent doing their job, well you know where to start. They have known about the closing dates for nominations and motions for weeks. Despite all the cribbing, the structure of the GAA is democratic in that an ordinary member of a club can in theory start something off. In a small county like Warwickshire it should be that much easier. If you are able to put your proposal forward but it gets voted down, either in your club or at county convention, at least it has been heard. If other delegates dont agree with you and you are in a minority, either you need to rejig your proposal, seek to explain it better (if you feel it has not been understood) or just accept that most of the people dont want it. Even if the closing date for motions has passed, think about what you want to change. It may be that a motion to convention is not needed, just a proposal at a County Board meeting at the appropriate time, so dont give up on your idea/s.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 04/12/2009 14:50:09    502993

Patrick, as i have said in my earlier post i know that you are trying to get the information out there and agree that all clubs should have the right structure, but guessing from some posts i am not sure egb secretary is talking to all egb members? (sorry if this is wrong but cant be blamed for building a picture) so lets talk on hear at the very least! yes all clubs should talk amongst themselves and come up with idea's and put them forward, but why cant we talk to other clubs (i.e on here for a start) to be prepared for convention. Yes things can be brought to county meetings but too many things are ignored put off or reffered to provincial council. people dont want to go to county meetings because we all know that basically nothing really happens. Convention is where it should start!

Yet again i will ask!!!!! will the present committee be re elected because they are the right people for the position, or because they are popular people?

Not a which hunt! a genuine question.

Facts are we are not progressing as a county!

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 04/12/2009 19:45:14    503345

Undoubtedly the club secretary will tell whom he wishes to attend the meeting. Without airing our dirty linen in public, a lack of communication between club members is the tip of the iceberg in relation to the problems at our club!

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 04/12/2009 21:08:24    503442

convention book should be with clubs at least seven days prior to convention. The reason for this is common sense, to alllow clubs to discuss with members what their mandate will be for convention. I have just been told that last year, delegates were given the book as they arrived at convention, the excuse being offerred was that clubs did not return motions in time to be circulated. I understand that there are only about ten clubs in Warwickshire, so the sectretrary can't complain of being overworked. This is unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also that motions from 2008 were put back to Janurary Was this a ploy by county board to circumvent convention and as Patrick alludes to matters dealt with in a closed shop environment later in the year? If this is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then the people clubs are electing as officers, are at the very least, incompettent and should be asked to resign. Patrick also points out that clubs may not want change, I agree, but at least give clubs the opportunity to debate with members , nominations and motions which if passed will effect every member, of every club. Let's have deomcracy for all, not the chosen few. Well done to U21's You beat the best team London had to offer on the day the rest doesn't matter, every club should be proud and congratulate you on a great achievment.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 04/12/2009 21:28:18    503479

I wouldnt get to carried away with winning the 21s title it was an off day for london and really the game shouldnt have gone ahead with the conditions but i must congratulate yous on your win but im sure on a a good pitch possibly ruislip nxt year im sure london would win no problem.

kerryykerryy (Kerry) - Posts: 85 - 05/12/2009 05:30:33    503756

Che are you trying to say we won't be having an AGM but some sort of audience with .... catch a grip if we didn't have a committee how would we be able to function and not be a joke, who has brainwashed you into thinking our club is in such a bad state? What position are you going for on the committee this year to put forward your ideas or are you just some foreign outsider coming on here to undermine the name of EGB if so we don't need you. We have the vision and leadership in our club that will silence and isolate negative individuals such as yourself, if there was such problems surely our chairman, secretary and other club members would have sorted it by now, I bet you don't even know the current committee members.

egbhardcore (UK) - Posts: 25 - 05/12/2009 18:24:52    504149

Millbrook,

I agree with some of your points, although I dont think there was anything particularly suspicious about certain things being put back to a January meeting at last years convention. Two Board posts were not filled, despite nominations being sought from the floor and after all, the same people were entitled to attend. If anything it gave people more time to consider some proposals and consider new nominations.

It was a chance for new people to get on the Board, but for all the talk here I dont think there was a great deal of interest.

One of the points I am trying to make is that in terms of grading and playing structures (senior, intermediate & junior) as the gradings committee (i.e. the whole board) does not consider gradings until early in the new year, a motion to convention may not be required if people want to change the present structure, unless a by-law to the contrary is tabled and passed at the convention.

Consider - If no teams are graded intermediate for example, does the grade not cease to exist?

Anyone who is thinking of this may be advised to speak to the County Secretary for clarification.

The "insider" remarks from 2 other posters are pretty cheap really, as nearly all of us are posting under dodgy aliases. The Official Guide can be viewed via the GAA.IE website and is available to anyone with internet access. If you want to be in a position to influence & change you have to demonstrate some element of understanding of rules & procedures as a starting point, as some of the other posters are doing.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 05/12/2009 18:28:53    504153

Patrick, have you put any motions to convention? if so can we have a chance to discuss and possibly back it rather than waiting for the day......as milbrook pointed out happened last year , allegedly.

That goes for all !

Still no actual motions or nominations, surely if any of ye have put either forward you would like to recieve some support????????????????????? i tell ya what lets just wait for the day and hope the right people turn up and things go well.

Best of luck

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 05/12/2009 22:05:00    504397

kerrykerry,you were beaten fair & square on the day. Less of your excuses,the game shouldn`t have been played,wait until next year in ruislip. Just accept your loss. Warwickshire can only beat what is put in front of them.

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 06/12/2009 00:13:01    504515

Im sure you will remind me Hardcore who holds offices within the club??? Better still, would you be prepared to reveal your real identity??

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 06/12/2009 10:54:45    504612

partick

No the intermediate grade will not cease to exist.
You are just speaking hypatetically.

Junior, intermediate and seinor grades will exist for championship.

I believe what contrubitors to this forum are seeking is, a senior and junior league with a third section kicking in when all group games are played.
Top 4 in league 1 playing semifinals and finals for league cup. (Say Fr Ford cup). Bottom four play semifinals and final for say (Mullihan cup)

The same could apply for junior.
And yes the grading comittee would place teams, based on previous results and other criteria which may apply, into relevant league 1 or 2.
For this to happen a motion should be put before convention, so that when the gradings are done in the new year. It is democratically done.

On the point of convention you do not have the same people at county board meetings.
There will be many people at convention with their clubs delegates and can influence debate.
This is what makes convention special, everything is transparent.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 06/12/2009 14:05:06    504765

Why my dear Che are you telling me that given all your postings here about EGB you don't even know who is on the committee that you complain about!!! are you even an EGB man or some joker brainwashed into coming on here to slate our club and cause problems? As to who I am well i'm the Batman to your Joker, the ying to your yang. I had retired but reading your posts made me feel you were searching for someone to blame instead of trying to help solve the problems you raise, as such can I ask what motions you propose for our club AGM?

egbhardcore (UK) - Posts: 25 - 06/12/2009 19:47:18    505211

Bothered, I have lobbied for and proposed motions in previous years. Given all the talk on this message board there should be no shortage of motions this year. I may be stating the obvious, but if you want to change individuals who are on the County Board and dont fancy having a go yourself, then you need to have been talking to alternatives to find out whether they will accept nomination (a courtesy that is not always extended) and then getting your club to do the business with the nomination. If you or they dont get in then I`m sorry but I dont control who votes at convention or who they vote for. Something like 30 out of 40/45 of the voting strength is held by the clubs so it is the clubs that generally decide who gets in. If your favoured person has not been nominated then thats down to you. In relation to convention motions, I dont know specifically what your ideas are, but as they are your ideas I assume that you have made sure they are on the agenda this year. Some clubs are very good at getting this done. Others not so good. I wish you good luck in having your proposals heard. Millbrook, Yes, I am talking hypothetically but am of the opinion that trying to keep things as simple as possible would be a good starting point. I do not have a copy of the Warwickshire by-laws but would suggest that if they do not specifically refer to the intermediate grade, then we don`t need a convention motion to do away with it. I am not aware of anything in the Official Guide to say we must have that grade As always, I am open to correction or clarification in the case of any by-law that may exist. For what it is worth I do think we have ended up with too many grades & cups that take too long to run off in Warwickshire. I agree with other posters that we should go back to 2 playing grades. The SFC has been tried with league groups without distinction and should remain knock out. We already have a league, so why have 2? Some of the lesser cups should be made regional and played off at the same time as the county team/s is/are due to play. Others could be played for as 7 or 9 aside tournaments at Pairc Na h`Eireann in August when teams struggle to get 13 or 15 out. The County GAC or whatever could be given an outline and asked to go away and come back with a proposed structure for the clubs to consider.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 06/12/2009 21:41:54    505341