indecisive you are 100% correct. Barnabus should have had a few players on the county team. armstrong and french would walk on to any team in the county. who is the warkshire manager?

balancedopinion (UK) - Posts: 40 - 30/11/2009 15:24:51    498393

The Warwickshire manager is Sean Quigley from Rugby. I know of two players from my own club who were not on the original panel named on this thread who took it upon themselves to break into the County set up, so I can't understand why people are moaning that so and so was not asked. If a player is so deseperate to play for their county they should grasp the initaitive and put themselves in the frame. On another note, I agree that St Barnabas do posess some good footballers, but looking good at intermediate and performing regulary in Senior competition are two different propositions. Hopefully given a restructuring of the League format, these players will be able to test themselves against the best in the county.

As for the u21's I for one would like to congratulate the players and management on a fantastic acheivement. As a previous poster added Warks were beaten 7-15 to 2-4 last year by the same opposition. Furthermore, it must be added that the managment of the team regularly pursued the county board in order to secure floodlit training facilities for the team given that the game was set for the end of November. These requests were repeatedly denied and co-operation and assistance from the board was minimal. I'd wonder whether they will be so unco-operative should the county hurlers have made such a request??

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 30/11/2009 17:53:00    498586

Balanced opinion, Armstrong and French are good players and may get into most club sides, but the County TEAM is stretching it. French maybe good enough for the panel, but thats about it. Daly is worthy of a place though.

gael2000 (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 30/11/2009 18:12:53    498612

If London had anything near their first team it would have been a similar story. virtually all of the players from last year were still available this year, like yourselves london has been terrible in organising anything for the game which meant many of the players were either not asked/unavailable for the game as they were asked at short notice. fair play to yous in terrible conditions made the most of it, you've got some decent players for the future alright. best of luck.

Anchorman (Cavan) - Posts: 62 - 30/11/2009 18:19:27    498620

bothered At this stage it is too late to put forward motions for convention, what I feel now needs to take place is for as many as possible to lobby county board to set up a committee to look into the structure / running of league and championship. This group to hold open meeting with clubs, listen and take on board their proposals and concerns. Bring forward proposals of their own to the first committee meeting in Jan. where it can be voted on by all members. Instead of arguing about petty points, look at the bigger picture, lets put our heads together and try to improve things, it certainly can't make it worse. just for the record, there were four Mitchels players on the u21 side plus the refree, who played full back later, I am not critising barnabus for their players not taking part. Players and clubs must make up their own mind where their loyalaties lie. I personally always considered it an honour any time I was lucky enough to be selected by my own county, It should be something every player aspires to.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 30/11/2009 20:26:49    498777

Alright lads let set the record straight from the start of the year I've been going out to club matches speaking to lads for the u21s, puting info on display at the Pairc and spoke to club county delegates and different managers about potential players and tried to get training going at the start of the year but lads failed to show. Sunday was the first time I was even made aware that Barnabas had u21 lads otherwise i'd have spoken to them before the same as I did with lads from Macs, Mitchells, St Chads, Leicester, Casements (some players from whom by the way I did speak to and was told they weren't playing or were away in Ireland) and every other club I was told had u21s, and your right O Hara your game shouldn't have been put on that was not my decision at previous county board I had to argue to get other club games off to give me a chance yours wasn't even mentioned. As regards training and matches yeah there should have been some but just so people are aware i'll take responsibility for that i'd had tried to get floodlights it didn't work out number of reasons but not going to offer excuses or blame others. As for the games I had tried to sort some friendlies with club sides but with so many club games still being played the past few months that wasn't possible as we were told that county teams couldn't conflict with club stuff indeed I had it sorted for the team to play warm up games in November against University sides only for club league and cup games to be put on most weekends in October and every weekend in November. Lads let me down last minute on Sunday there should have been at least 4 other lads there, that should take nothing away from the achievement and performance of the lads who did turn and did themselves and the county proud nor should the arguments about the county setup detract from their victory. At the start of the year people wanted to scrap the u21s I took it on and put together a development plan including proposals for training and a change in format for the u21s championship to a 9s tournament to give more teams a chance to enter I didn't think this was for me to arrange maybe I was wrong there. I also proposed getting into the University leagues and championship which has been sorted as far as I'm aware. People are very quick to come on here and point out the problems that exist in the county well come to the convention on the 13th and put yourself forward for positions and bring fresh ideas to the table, if anyone wants to discuss anything with me i'll be there and more than happy to have a chat with you. Mac An Bheatha.

irb1916tal (Antrim) - Posts: 24 - 30/11/2009 21:32:46    498867

irb1916tal

Thanks for coming forward and clearing a few things up. Praise is too often in short supply and your hard work and dedication is commendable. However, I have to ask why you did not look to Barnabas earlier in the year to find out whether they had any u21 players, a quick phone call or a glance at the website would have told you they did? Maybe you thought you had enough quality already in the squad - which it proved you did on sunday last - but it concerns me that players, or potential players were being overlooked. I just wanted to highlight that lack of communication between clubs and county managers seems to cause unnecessary problems (amongst alot of other issues I grant you) but one that can easily be rectified. This extends to the senior team aswell.

indecisive (Cavan) - Posts: 34 - 01/12/2009 00:34:29    499095

Paragraphs are your friend irb1916.

dowchabiy (UK) - Posts: 204 - 01/12/2009 05:14:46    499135

antrim guy i get your point but the fact of the matter is i agree playin for the county should be a honour but this has to be put across by the county board and promote playin for the county. And Im sorry but if you didnt know the intermediate league champions hads players u21 then perhaps ya need to start researchin the pool of players a bit better. A county panel needs to be selected, not whoever wants to show show up. At the end of the day when the barnabas players turned up on sunday they's have seen the mulligan cup final was better organised than the u21s and the barnabas setup was more organised than the county setup, whether this is the fault of u21 management or county board but its a shame this is a case bacause as I say I agree it should be a proud moment pullin on the county jersey, but unforttunately its not, whoever turns up can do it. I personally wud have said if they cant make an effort to contact you's then they dont think much of you. Unfortunately the county has done barnabas absolutelty no favours this year. Good win for barnabas, its a credit to them they can still get 20 players out in the last week in november with squad not at full strength!!

Lance (Tyrone) - Posts: 33 - 01/12/2009 10:24:10    499196

Well lads by the sounds of it we should be getting the lads from Barnabas to manage the county teams they sound like they know how to sort everything out that's wrong in the county, are they putting anyone forward for county committee positions so they can put their ideas into action? Considering how successful they have been at Intermediate this year and how much they have been messed around i'm sure they must also be going to put themselves forward to go back into Senior then they can show everyone how much they have improved. Best of luck to them and all the other people getting criticised yet doing savage work behind the scenes which is going un-noticed.

P_O_Neill1917 (Derry) - Posts: 16 - 01/12/2009 21:55:51    500022

Barnabas have 4-5 county players who would walk on any team on the county is this turning into a comedy section? If they had how were they and another team beaten by FMs in the semis was out at the game and no players on either side looked like county material. I hope they do go up and then they will see the difference between inter and senior. St Marys had 4-5 players on the county panel and 3-4 of them were starters in key positions they should also be able to hold there own in the senior next year. With regards u21s the manager has tried his best in hard circumstances all year round, but just like the senior county panel because the county board dont back him it turns into a farce.

gael2200 (UK) - Posts: 195 - 01/12/2009 22:41:45    500083

I hear Warwickshire are recruiting some good hurlers for 2010. They have shane o hanlon from wexford again. A rumour has it that they are getting Conor Delaney from the St Patricks, Ballyragget club in Co Kilkenny. He captained Napier to win the british championships 2 years in a row and he also captained them to win the Fergal Maher cup back in Ireland in 2008.....Anyone heard anything?

05010405 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 6 - 02/12/2009 12:55:02    500530

Listen p o neill, i aint puttin any1 forward for county manager, i aint puttin any1 forward for county board reps, im makin an observation. No one within barnabas are sayin we are riddled with county players, but there are players in the panel who are worthy of a place on the county panel. I aint repeatin myself but the county setup is a joke, at each level. The organisation is so amateur its scary, i know at home an u12 wouldnt be sent into a game without training or a get together but warwickshire see fit to send there u21s in in these circumstances!! I cant believe gettin the management reigns of a county team just involves ringin a few clubs, gettin a few players out for a game and play the game. I dont no on wat basis they select the team on matchday, im presumin the managers club wud get preference as they are the players the manager knows best. Do they know each others names on matchday. Give me a break.
Birmingham see fit to charge into each game (players and supporters) and they have a bar that thrives on matchday which is virtually every sunday. Why not spend a little of that money on the u21 team in the form of t shirts or somethin, tracksuits, whatever. Make them proud to be on the team and give them something to take away from there day out. No offence to know1 but the way the county setup is run i wud rather achieve something with barnabas than achieve somethin with warwickshire. I wouldnt like to waste my time and effort on something that is so badly organised. Thats lucky cuz i aint good enough anyway but i can see wats goin on!!!

Lance (Tyrone) - Posts: 33 - 02/12/2009 13:10:15    500546

I know it may be too late, but how do you go about forwarding motions for convention??

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 02/12/2009 15:21:11    500678

These remarks about County Team Managers and others are getting a bit personal and aren`t really helping. Lets be constructive here.

County team management, County Board officers, club secretaries and club team managers all have a role to play.

Lets put in place a structure that will set us right for next year and the years that follow. I am sure we can get it right with better communication. It would be a shame if anyone who is currentlt involved or would like to take on a County Team is put off by the vitriol that has followed on this Message Board.

Assuming that it will be us & London again next year in under 21 football, it will be away from home, against a County with more resources than us so preparation will need to be top notch and every player available needs to be put forward if we are to retain the title.

If everyone falls out it will be difficult for us to be competitive.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 02/12/2009 16:10:33    500740

Why get defensive Lance? I was merely making an observation as these posts all seem to make it out that Barnabas have the answer to the county's problems forgive me for misunderstanding, the same way it seems the management of the u21s has actually admitted mistakes were made this year and that preparations were not like they should have been yet people are still on here moaning maybe as patrick says he shouldn't bother anymore. Although considering the county team won why are we on here mouthing off about negatives which it would seem people know about and are working to change. Maybe i'm misunderstanding it again but is this not the only football team to win a title this year maybe the people in charge did do enough research to have a winning team but then again in Warwickshire it seems it doesn't matter who is in charge there are even more people determined to create problems and criticise than stick their neck on the line and try to move the county forward I know the lads involved in the u21s do a lot of work behind the scenes to improve the standard of GAA in the county and are regularly frustrated like yourself by the way things are and the obsticales placed in front of them but then again maybe i'm misunderstanding things again.

P_O_Neill1917 (Derry) - Posts: 16 - 02/12/2009 19:03:28    501012

I agree that there are always people who want to b*t*h and moan, some will say that all GAA clubs have these individuals ???? the problem is and i have posted before, we are always reverting to "this is the way it is at home" type of attitude. We do not have the same number of members as clubs at home, which in turn usually means less individuals to take responsibility which will then make these people easy targets for the bitter and twisted individuals who want to cause problems. We do not have the infrastucture as at home, so need to re adjust to our surroundings, all clubs need to work closer together and be more in sync with each other. Now dont get me wrong i am not trying to say we should all hold hands and dance around as i love the rivalry and love beating whoever we may be playing but i also love going to the pairc and having a bit of craic and then playing a game and being involved with people who may not be the most talented of players, but are proud to go out and play their national game. Even more satisfaction comes from seeing people play GAA with no irish connection at all. I have only recently started posting on here, and get the feeling that deep down that most of us are on here to promote and progress our sport, rather than b*t*hing,(still want rivalry though) yet we are not organised amongst us and without even going to convention i know what will happen, board as is, maybe a change in fixture committee or assistant sec but by and large if ther are any changes it will be someone who was already there at some stage or other. Any controversy will be put off until the first meeting of the new committee when there will be 20 at best in attendance. same old same old! As an example and not a slant on the current chairman, will he be voted in because he is the best for the position or because he is a nice man in his final year of tenure as possible chairman??? Again i am not slagging these individuals as a lot of time goes into these positions, but as a whole i feel we are going backwards as a county.....at very best standing still! we need new positve vibrant individuals who deal with issues that may arise and have some forward thinking...........if an individual is voted off or out voted for a position then they should not turn their back they should offer their advice and experience to whoever has the position. There is nothing wrong with helping out a rival if in turn it means helping promote our game in a foriegn land. There are a few posts regarding Barnabus alleged theory's about how clubs/teams should be run, this is a club who has turned around dramatically in the last couple of years, so why not listen.........................in turn St Barnabus, have you put any motions or individuals forward to convention? Now again! has anyone put any motions/individuals forward that may be discussed here in preparation?

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 03/12/2009 07:18:11    501613

p_o_neill, i salute them for winning, congratulations and yes its great to see and a credit to the team. Im sorry but if you are arguing that a management team who do not call a training session or challenge game and presumes that a club has not got u21 players is well prepared, then im sorry but I aint arguin wit u anymore, its a waste of time. Wat I am tryin to get across is ways we need to improve, and how the current setup is unacceptable. Its not a personal attack or character assination and i apologise if it seems this way. Jarlath Burns wrote an article in an irish paper about teams who prepare professionally. He talked of Armaghs crossmaglen team gettin a coach to an u12 blitz in donegal. All the other guys were in awe immediately and automatically felt an inferiority complex and sure enough crossmaglen romped the tournament. This is an extreme I know but all ive been trying to get across is if you give off an aura of professionalism in your approach then you the opposition will sit up and think twice about you. Again apologies if you's feel im being hard on people by no way want to take anything away from the incredible achievements of our u21s!!

Lance (Tyrone) - Posts: 33 - 03/12/2009 08:11:44    501622

bothered

the procedure that is required for putting motions before convention.

Firstly discuss your ideas generally with other interested parties and if you find they are on the same wavelenth, bring it to your club committe. they will have been notified of the date of convention and have a format for putting motions to convention, along with proposals for election of officers of the board.

At convention, after election of officers and committe, motions are then put forward.
To have a motion discussed, a speaker on behalf of the club, ''which may be you'', will propose the motion, chairman of the meeting will then ask for a seconder to the motion.
when the motion receices a seconder, the club will be given a set time ( normally 2 mins in most conventions) to put forward what they are promosing to to all delegates present.
After this all other clubs are allowed to respond to the proposal, again a set time for discussion, at descression of the chair.
The motion will then be voted, on either by show of hands or private ballot.
Will be won or lost. if lost that is it for another year, if won then it becomes part of the rules under which competitions are ran for the future.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 03/12/2009 09:01:26    501640

It is essential that any motions proposed at convention are made with regard to the rule book and are worded properly so that there is no ambiguity or grounds for mis-interpretation. Badly worded motions that are passed can cause more problems than they seek to address.

The consequences of passing a motion should be considered by its proposers and the clubs when it is put before convention. eg What affect will it have on overall participation and clubs ability to field teams?, Will it restrict the making or playing of fixtures?, Is there any flexibility?, What is the penalty for non-compliance?, Does the Official Guide allow such a motion/by-law and how does it fit in with the overall rules?, If a motion is passed, does it come into affect immediately or after the forthcoming season is completed? etc etc

Good motions are worth their weight in gold, but lets not get carried away here. Most of what becomes policy of the County Board is decided by clubs delegates at County Board meetings other than the convention. Thats why attendance at County Board meetings is important.

Motions at Convention are not required for a lot of things, which are can be agreed at the first or 2nd meeting of the new board early in the new year.

patrick (UK) - Posts: 52 - 03/12/2009 11:51:31    501771