mcnally

I agree with you this would over complicate issues, straight play each other once, the only games I would set for midweek would be Fr Forde, M Surgue etc get them running in tandem with the league games so by the middle of june you'd have all league and cup games out of the way and could run the championship from mid june until the end of august.

gael2200 (UK) - Posts: 195 - 27/11/2009 16:11:30    496168

that must of been the shortest time a team had hold of the cup when macs beat egb last week?

theneutral (UK) - Posts: 164 - 27/11/2009 19:54:57    496429

We didn't even get time to fill it! It's farcical how competitions are carried over from year to year when teams go weeks without games in the Summer months. To be fair though Neutral, I thought we gave you a decent game in appalling conditions considering we were severly understrength and missing our entire forward line!

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 27/11/2009 21:09:18    496505

Well said che, our entire forward line which has to be the best in warks by miles, didnt see too many of your team missing, but then thats why u keep winning things as yous can put out a strong and nearly the same 15 week after week.

gael2200 (UK) - Posts: 195 - 27/11/2009 23:30:00    496625

just looking at fixtures on this sunday,

Warwickshire u21's playing London at 1pm.

St barnabus play Mitchels at 2-30 pm.

I understand there are up to six players from both teams involved in the u 21 team.

It' an insult to the memory of the person in whose name this cup is presented, that these players are not able to play with their clubs.
The result either way will be a farce.

Comiserations to the county chairman who is let down by his committe, they are away with the faries.

It's hard to soar like an eagle when you are surrounded by turkeys, especially ones sniping at him coming up to his last year.

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 28/11/2009 18:07:27    496980

che1959 & gael2200, glad to see that you both agree on something instead of your usual bickering. But stop harping on about missing players its up to you & your management to get them out for games.
As for the best forwards in the county not to sure about that, two Haydens,J.Dowling from Macs, D.Harkin & Cuffe from FM better than anything you have.

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 28/11/2009 22:02:47    497227

Moonshine,

i dont think you would mind a couple of our forwards in your team. I was merely stating that i thought we did pretty well against a strong Macs side considering our own inability to field a full strength team.

Millbrook,

I agree it is a disgrace that a cup final involving at least 7 potential under 21 footballers is schedueled on the day of the U21 provincial game against London. The u21 game was fixed by provincial council some months ago, and the committee were well aware of this. They agreed that no Senior football games be played, but why put on an Intermediate final instead??? What will also be a disgrace is any u21 players who chose only to play for their clubs, and the players and their clubs should be reprimanded accordingly.

Che1959 (Galway) - Posts: 56 - 28/11/2009 23:43:27    497309

Oh dear gail2200 you are still using the same old tired rhetoric 'we have the best forwards in the county' if they were the best then how come EGB don't win all our matches or at least score 15 or more points every game? Where those lads not played in the championship against macs and lost or was it because of very poor tactics indeed a complete lack of them? moonshine used that magic word most other clubs have a grasp of 'management'. It's very easy for EGB lads to mouth off here or in bars about macs but they are the best around because they put out teams whilst EGB it appears is all about the cult of the individual, mmmm I wonder who promoted that concept. Lets just see at the AGM what novel bright ideas or the same stagnant ones are raised by the old guard who claim Irish men are foreigners in a GAA club and how they look on the new structures being proposed by these lads hopefully they won't bring personal grudges into it like last year and realise it's not about whats best for them but the club that matters and indeed that some of the younger English born lads finally step up to the mark.

P_O_Neill1917 (Derry) - Posts: 16 - 29/11/2009 08:59:08    497376

che1959,as regards your comment about liking to have some of your forwards,dougie would be the only one that i would be interested in.The other lads could only make the junior team & that would have to be with a bit of serious effort put into training,not just turning up on match days.You seem to disregard that Macs were also understrenght last week,but we just get on with it.
Hman,like your suggestions for league & c`ship formats,but these need to be put to the county board & hopefully they will take on board what clubs have to say,and make some changes.

moonshine (UK) - Posts: 297 - 29/11/2009 11:24:49    497409

How did the U21's get on today??

TheMan90 (UK) - Posts: 9 - 29/11/2009 17:51:45    497657

Won by two points, the team was mainly made up of minors. Is a bit dissapointing that the management were unable to get the commitment off a few of the older lads. St Barnabus had a couple of lads who could of been on the team but decided not to tog out as they were playing Mitchels straight afterwards. As a county we need to fielding our strongest teams and the county board need to work with the clubs to do this.

Mick83 (Wicklow) - Posts: 67 - 29/11/2009 19:10:33    497742

U21s beat London today by a point to reclaim the title after getting hammered last year by over 20 points, hopefully these lads will progress onto the Senior side over the next couple of years to bring more silver ware to the county. Well done to all the lads who played and mentors from the differing clubs who where there supporting.

irb1916tal (Antrim) - Posts: 24 - 29/11/2009 19:25:13    497755

U21's won 0-8 to 0-7 against a good London outfit. Congratulations to all the lads who put in a great performance.
London were 2-1 up at the break and looked to be pulling away shortly after when they went 5-1 up. But Warwickshire got their 'bigger' players more involved to turn things around. Gilbride at the back was awesome, M hayden dictated things at centre half back and Declan Harkin from Masters did most of the scoring, i think he kicked 6 of the points. WELL DONE BOYS!!

gael2000 (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 29/11/2009 20:12:34    497796

u 21's won

st. barnabus won mulligan cup to add to league cup already won.

We were short players for various reasons, no excuses you were the better team on the day. well done

millbrook (UK) - Posts: 103 - 29/11/2009 20:20:10    497802

Millbrook, what was the score? did either team lose many to the u21's,

Most posts seem to agree with revised league formats and the idea of completing the league programme before championships, can we put our idea's to convention (it doesnt matter if 2 or 3 clubs propose it rather than none) this is a far better system.

Any ideas for progressive change to the committee?

Bothered (Leitrim) - Posts: 20 - 30/11/2009 07:12:29    498020

Barnabas won 3-7 to 0-3. We didn't lose any players to U21, we had 2 players eligible who didn't want to play (they were asked 15 minutes before throw in so I think that's fair enough). Mitchels had a couple of lads playing who played in the Mulligan Cup game which isn't really on, however they are young and fit and having done it myself before I wouldn't imagine it made a huge difference.

On the point of missing players, we were missing Daly, Melvin and French, 3 players who have started every game this year for us so we were far from full strength either. Was a good game, tough given the conditions, just think we wanted it more than Mitchels.

james_ohara (UK) - Posts: 33 - 30/11/2009 10:53:32    498101

O'Hara, Were the 2 lads in question, encouraged to go and play for the county by your club? It may not be ideal to be asked 15 minutes before, but all the same if they are asked to represent their County should they not be honoured to do so, and encouraged by their club. They could now be siiting with an All Britain winners medal in their pocket, to go with their Mulligan Cup one, which they were always going to win. Fair play to John Mitchels though, who do actually support the County.

gael2000 (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 30/11/2009 11:12:40    498118

Gael2000, don't try and have a dig by saying we don't support the county. Let me put you straight. If you want to have a 'County' team then you need to tell people about it. There needs to be training, there needs to be organisation, commitment, effort. You don't start asking people at 2pm to come and play in a game. Both the lads said words to the effect of "I wasn't asked to play before, I'm only been asked now because they're short". The whole thing has been a farce for years. I can remember a couple of years ago getting a phone call telling me there was county training on. I went down from Notts to Brum, not a soul there; 3 times I went and the same story every time.

We have supported the county, I've always turned up when I've been asked to play, which is more than can be said for a hell of a lot of players. Other lads from Barnabas have showed up as well, knowing that they would be on the bench but still going so as not to let other people down. Finally, on your point of supporting the county; why schedule our game with Mitchels to be played on the same day as the U21. Missing a number of important players already, if one of them lads would have got injured we would have been seriously struggling.

james_ohara (UK) - Posts: 33 - 30/11/2009 11:31:28    498132

O'Hara i agree with you that a lot of things surrounding the Warwickshire set up are shambolic, but when lads are asked to play for the County they should want to. You did not answer whether you encouraged them to do so or not. The reason they were probably not asked before is because there were no previous games.
you say that the lads had the hump, but i bet this attitude was reflected by many of the senior members of your club who proabaly agreed with their line of thought. Young lads need to be set a positive example or else nothing will change. This is a general statement to all clubs before you get on your high horse again.
I notice their was no representation on the panel from Roger Casements who probably have one of the best underage set ups in the County. That is just wrong.
People will say they weren't asked bla, bla, bla but everyone knew there was an U21 game on.

gael2000 (Mayo) - Posts: 81 - 30/11/2009 12:00:17    498156

Something needs to be done at a higher level I think for clubs like Barnabas to want to put out their younger lads for underage county football. Underage managers need to make the effort to be in contact regularly with managers to talk it over - if nothing else playin underage football is a good level to bleed in some of the younger players in with fewer rogue challenges likely. How without regular contact with club managers they expect to put together a good team of players (ignoring perhaps stupidly that they beat london), I don't know - but the if you've got ur boots u've got a game attitude at county level is embarassing to say the least. Further, for younger players to aspire to play for the county - a club has got to have players playing for the county's full team. I don't know the reasons behind it, perhaps it was Barnabas management, perhaps it was individuals lack of desire but there were a good 4 or 5 players in the Barnabas team who could add quality to the Warwickshire squad. I truly hope it wasn't county's lack of knowledge of the players. In Mulhern, Daly, Armstrong, French there are some fine footballers who are not in the countys sights. County management needs to talk to clubs managers to build relationships and make an effort to build bridges

indecisive (Cavan) - Posts: 34 - 30/11/2009 14:35:12    498333