realgaa I accept what you are saying is 100% correct, however the isssue we are discussing is what gave rise to the term Hun in the first place. patrique from his reply is obviously of the opinion that the term started in the North as a derogatory word for a protestant and was exported to Glasgow. I believe there was a specific event or indeed it could well have been a journalist using the term in a report, which triggered its usage in Glasgow and the term was subsequently imported into the North from Glasgow. I have e-mailed an acquaintance in Glasgow who has written books on the history of Celtic to get his opinion.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 20/03/2009 09:48:03    235475

famous football club and best fans in the world-martin o,neill during his time as celtic manager,,, interestingly i was watching aston villa v spurs on sunday and the cameras just stopped on two people in the villa end, one person wearing a mayo jersey and one wearing a celtic jersey... my point being irish people arent any less irish because they follow british football...... and where the word hun-rangers fan came from well who knows........ its just the same thing as rangers fans calling celtic fans taigs or fenians.... maybe it was the musical/journalist/man city anti celtic antrim man who came up with the hun word unwittingly as a young man..........????

sons.of.erin (UK) - Posts: 343 - 20/03/2009 11:03:21    235513

Sons of Erin.


my point being irish people arent any less irish because they follow british football..



I think everyone is agreed on that, apart from maybe the odd rabid nationalist.

I think most of the debate here has centred on how a British soccer club, founded in Britain, based in Britain and playing in Britain, are Irish.

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 20/03/2009 12:40:29    235590

sons.of.erin. Thank you for such a brilliant post, your comments re our Antrim anti Celtic friend were a classic and believe it or not, could be a lot closer to the truth then you imagined. I have been in contact with a few authoritative sources in Glasgow re the origin of the term Hun. Here is there response. The term Hun became popular all over England and Scotland after World War 1, it was a general derogatory term and was often used to describe unruly football fans of any team. In the sixties football riots were fairly common place, Celtic fans had rioted in Newcastle at a previous game before the infamous Rangers riot of 1969 which was particularly violent. As Monaghan Ultra stated a reporter commenting on the riots did use the words that Ultra said he did. It is generally accepted that the term Hun stuck to Rangers fans in particular, from that time. Accordingly if our friend was as stated singing songs pre 1969 referring to Rangers fans as Huns , which he well could have been, then he was ahead of the posse and could have been amongst the first in Ireland to label the term to Rangers fans in particular. Isn't that brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 20/03/2009 12:51:21    235603

Corkcelt some great post on here ,good to see it's a happy house,at the end of the day were all 1.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 20/03/2009 17:40:29    235846

Hail Hail One patrique, there's only one patrique. Good man Paddy my old son and to think you were hiding your light under a bushel all this time. I am going to propose you for honorary membership of our local Club for services rendered,

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 20/03/2009 17:54:31    235862

corkcelt County: Cork Posts: 360 235603 sons.of.erin. Thank you for such a brilliant post, your comments re our Antrim anti Celtic friend were a classic and believe it or not, could be a lot closer to the truth then you imagined. I have been in contact with a few authoritative sources in Glasgow re the origin of the term Hun. Here is there response. The term Hun became popular all over England and Scotland after World War 1, it was a general derogatory term If it is a derogatory term , how are celtic fans claiming to be THE BEST in the world, surely its time to get over that childish nonsense. when martin O neiil spoke those words Re celtic fans, other than being on the payroll what other criteria was he using, im sure you could find footballing directors/managers all over the world to say that

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/03/2009 20:10:49    235979

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235979 Dhorse they brought over 100,000 supporters to a match in spain with no trouble,theres is no teams in the world ,bar dublin who could to that amazing.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 20/03/2009 20:17:18    235987

and that makes them the best fans in the world????

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/03/2009 20:50:57    236021

Dhorse if there not who are.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 20/03/2009 21:01:57    236029

dhorse County: Laois Posts: 1501 when martin O neiil spoke those words Re celtic fans, other than being on the payroll what other criteria was he using, im sure you could find footballing directors/managers all over the world to say that _________________________________________________________________________________ Martin O'Neill when giving a lecture at Áras an Uachtaráin for the Presidential Lecture Series on what it meant to be Irish, spoke glowingly of Celtic and the Celtic support. By the way this was at the start of the year when he was the manager of Aston Villa.

monaghan_ultra (None) - Posts: 213 - 20/03/2009 21:07:40    236032

They certainly have a huge amount, with money to travel, for sure. It depends on what you mean by the greatest. im sure the smallest of clubs have loyal supporters who steadfastly support their team even though its not part of the TV soap that pro soccer has become. could be manortown boys or boca juniors.. Why does one set of supporters have to be better than the other. its especially curious in relation to celtic , most of whom that i know profess to be republican, which is a philosophy based on equality

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/03/2009 21:11:28    236035

Maybe horse it's built out of loyalty,amazing numbers support them without much success outside of scotland.

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 20/03/2009 21:23:33    236042

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when martin O neiil spoke those words Re celtic fans, other than being on the payroll what other criteria was he using, im sure you could find footballing directors/managers all over the world to say that
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Martin O'Neill when giving a lecture at Áras an Uachtaráin for the Presidential Lecture Series on what it meant to be Irish, spoke glowingly of Celtic and the Celtic support. By the way this was at the start of the year when he was the manager of Aston Villa.


Yes, and my point still is, he was connected to Celtic, and speaking to the converted,but thats still a long way off from being the best in the world. theres a big world out there beyond ireland

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 20/03/2009 21:24:55    236043

Dhorse It is an established fact that though they play in a relatively minor league by world standards, Celtic have one of the biggest fan bases in the world. Visiting teams from all over the world have consistently stated that Parkhead is the most atmospheric stadium they ever played in. Compare the home attendance figure any Saturday with the EPL or even most Continental Leagues, only Man Utd regularly have higher attendances. They are the most sought after team for friendlies and benefit matches. All over Europe in the past 10 years at every venue in which they have played , the Civil Authorities and Police have made a point of complimenting Celtic Supporters. EUEFA took the unprecedented step of awarding the entire Celtic fan base the European Fair Play Award after Seville. To really understand it you have to be part of it, it is a universal brotherhood and there is a bond between Celts the entire world over. I well know there are a few out there who will mock and snigger at this post but you can't understand what you do not know. The History of the Club makes it special, it was born from famine and oppression,yes that's in the past and we must live in the present but we should never forget our history and Glasgow Celtic is part of Irish History

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 20/03/2009 23:57:35    236120

Interesting statistics came out in scottish media. In Glasgow there was 550 arrests throughout the city after the last celtic V rangers game. It was also reported that wife beating rose by 85% on the evening after the match. It was apparently only a 60% rise after the previous fixture. Rangers lost both. They must be getting angrier. I wonder is their any records kept in the aftermath of big GAA events. I suppose the cows not being milked in clare is the closest, but I wonder if it was reported in the Kerryman at the time of noticable rise in cattle being assaulted ?

realgaa (UK) - Posts: 128 - 23/03/2009 13:02:41    237048

If 'hun' is a sectarian term surely any self respecting person wouldnt use it?

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 23/03/2009 13:49:59    237094

bad.monkey I explained the origins of it above. I suppose its sectarian in that the vast majority of Rangers supporters are Protestant. Its a matter of opinion of whether its insulting or not., They call Celts Tague's or Tims, personally that doesn't offend me, some of their own supporter websites have referred to themselves as Huns and certainly Celtic supporter sites refer to themselves as Tims. Maybe in the North where things would be a lot more sensitive then the South it might cause offence.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 23/03/2009 15:32:53    237185

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it,s a bit of banter

chalkie (Derry) - Posts: 312 - 23/03/2009 22:24:21    237666

I cant believe that this thread has now extended to 13 pages long, congrats tomaoo7 my old sparring partner, for engineering the most pointless thread ever, one which seems to have completely veered off its original intended message, now what was it again?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 23/03/2009 22:30:27    237672