It shocks me how so many people have such strong anti-Israel feelings in this country. I dont know if its anti-semitism or what.

Hamas have been firing rockets at random into Israeli towns and villages for the past few years. They have been sending suicide bombers into crowded places. When children are killed by these attacks what happens? Palestinians dance in the streets celebrating the death of children.
Hamas are funded by Iran, a country who have a stated aim of destroying Israel, and yet Israel should sit by and let Hamas continually attack its people?

Israel's incursion was certainly heavy handed, and they were wrong in how they went about things. But for people to suggest that this issue is as simple as the evil Jews bullying their innocent little neighbours is utter BS

caveman (Dublin) - Posts: 77 - 10/02/2009 19:06:05    203559

AH, typical israeli cry, if your anti israel your anti jew
perhaps you should retrace the history palestine at least to 1946. it might help to understand where its coming from

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 10/02/2009 19:32:31    203591

Caveman, You are easily led son !! Typical propaganda like Iraqs "weapons of mass destruction". You believe everything the U.S. backed Israelis tell you. What did the almost 500 children who were murdered know about Israel or Palastine, feck all !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 10/02/2009 19:35:48    203598

Fair play Tyronetogaza- have a mayo jersey but its way too precious to give away, but will donate!!!!

Mayo1951 (Mayo) - Posts: 167 - 10/02/2009 19:39:54    203599

Folks, I started this thread about a trip i'm taking to Gaza in order to bring aid to some of the 60,000 people who have been left homeless in the recent war. This thread has turned into a bit of a political debate which is NOT what this trip is about.
There has been 100's of people from all over Ireland, the UK, USA, and from all walks of life who have taken time to pack some clothes, pack a few blankets, throw a few coins in a bucket, send a donation from afar, braved freezing weather, and made their way to Dungannon to send it to Gaza.
Rocwell have shown great generosity by providing a lorry, I am prepared to drive it 5,000 miles over 3 weeks, my friend Greg has sold his car in order to buy fuel to get us there. We will guarantee everyone that we will do our very best to make sure this aid gets to the homeless people in Gaza.
So please dont bring politics and the rights and wrong of the war into it. Start another thread and it can be discussed there. This trip is about doing something for the people of Gaza, not politics. Since George is the only person who has organised a convoy of aid, I am only too glad to be a part of it.
So, please keep to the topic about the trip, and i will keep an update going along the way.

Tyrone To Gaza

TyroneToGaza (Tyrone) - Posts: 7 - 10/02/2009 19:51:02    203605

Here Here TyroneToGaza. Getting very political on this thread and missing the main point which is charity. Rememeber guys charity begins at home. Respect for others efforts and your own ignorance.

grammer (Tyrone) - Posts: 17 - 10/02/2009 22:22:31    203727

JOHN

No harm but where were the people of Gazza and Palestine for the last 800 years or more when the Britts were taking over Ireland????????????????
Hey?

Tyrone0305 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 10/02/2009 22:41:26    203749

I have appealed for this thread not to be political.
It this persists, I will refuse to post anything else.

John

TyroneToGaza (Tyrone) - Posts: 7 - 11/02/2009 01:14:06    203824

Sorry to be getting too political tyronetogaza, i was just responding to some of the previous posts on here. And to cavan_slasher and dhorse, I've never said Israel was justified in its response, I said they were heavy handed, and their actions were carried out in completely the wrong way. It still does not mean that the Palistinians are blameless in the incident. I notice how you seem to ignore anything about suicide bombers, or dancing in the streets to celebrate the deaths of children. I don't think too many Israelis were dancing in the streets after the UN school was hit. The Palestinian people elected Hamas, who stood on a platform of destroying the state of Israel. Since election Hamas has oppressed (a.k.a. murdered) any political opposition, and continually launched rockets and sent suicide bombers into Israel. Hamas do not deny this, and are quite proud to boast of it. What should Israel do, bend over and take it? How they went about things was completely wrong, but some response was always going to happen. Finally, its interesting to see how people were quite happy to ignore Palestine when it was only their fellow muslims who oppressed them. But once Israel (or America) is mentioned, everyone is quick to throw on the humanitarian hat. Palestinian refugees are treated like rats in most other Arab states.They are forced to live in refugee camps, with only limited food, water and medical supplies. But because its other Arabs doing this to them, nobody seems to care.

caveman (Dublin) - Posts: 77 - 11/02/2009 09:32:31    203906

I agree this thread shouldn't be political, simply because most people have little idea what they are talking about. The Sun isn't the gospel when in comes to this conflict

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/02/2009 10:59:39    203972

I think its a good cause! Its not about who's right or who's wrong, who started it or who finished it ITS ABOUT INNOCENT MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN who need help! So please leave the politics in the changing room and just wish this project a great success .

williewentwell (Tyrone) - Posts: 1712 - 11/02/2009 11:18:13    203991

i am sure tyrone to gaza when you started this thread that you hoped to be non-political, but the fact is your very act of humanitarian relief is a political act, and in my book a political act of the very best kind, bringing aid and relief to innocent people, who were caught up in an appalling act of aggression, which we now know was aimed at getting the ruling party back into powere in israel.
Unfortunately, you were a little naive to think that by posting on here you would not encounter reactions from some eejits on this site. some people have very short memories of what happened in this country, and we have not suffered as much as the people of the gaza strip, AND the people who border it.
By giving your valuable time and effort to this convoy, you are indeed carrying out a much needed act of solidarity and compassion, so please don't listn to people like pullhard and hurlingdub..they really are wrapped up in their own small worlds, and obviously can't differentiate between the people of Gaza and Hamas...but then they probably think everyone living in the north in the seventies and eighties were active members of paramilitary organisations....
good luck with your mission and safe journey

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 11/02/2009 17:03:04    204470

Hurling Dub ae you Jamie Heaslip or something?

Whats Barbarians? Living in the Dark Ages? Do you even see these people as human?

Wait until you hear somehting about those people under European colonial rule all Arabs lived in relative peace and had similar ways of life that is Jew, Christian and Arab. It wasnt until those same colonial powers decided to divide them up into sectarian countries that the brown stuff hit the fan.

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 11/02/2009 21:02:32    204620

Caveman, dancing in the street ? Goes to show how oppressed these poor people are !! They were herded like sheep into pens and abused by the Israelis all their lives. Did you expect them to do anything else. If you treat people like dogs you can expect to be bit the odd time !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 11/02/2009 22:12:10    204672

Folks, i'm sorry. I have asked twice for this thread to be keep free of politics. Therefore I have decided to stop posting.
I'm sorry for those of you who have wished me good luck, and if you still wish to follow the journey from Tyrone To Gaza, you can follow it on another gaa site.
Any of you people who want to talk about the politics of the situation, therre is a thread there too that has been running discussing the war.
Sorry for this folks, but you will understand my reasons.

Tyrone To Gaza

John

TyroneToGaza (Tyrone) - Posts: 7 - 12/02/2009 01:06:31    204796

Mayotyroneman, if you knew anything about the history of the successful part of the Irish freedom struggle (ie the 1916 - 1922) period and indeed of the 1950s, you might know something of the role played by 'Zionists' in accessing weapons and that the Hagannah had contacts with the IRA. As for my use of the term 'barbarians' maybe you can think of a better term to describe people who refuse education to girls, who conduct mutilation, who suppress all other religions and political parties, and so on. Which is what happens in EVERY state controlled by the likes of Hamas and the Taliban and Al Quaada.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 12/02/2009 09:41:01    204853

Cavan_slasher I supposed the entire muslim world was being continually oppressed when they all celebrated the Sept 11 attacks. Celebrating the murder of innocents is wrong, no matter what, and there is no justification for it. We didn't see any of the Nationalist communities in the North celebrating in the streets when ordinary people were killed in IRA attacks, no matter how much oppression was suffered at the hands of the British. As I have already said, neither side can claim moral high ground in this conflict, my original posting was about how people in this country show appalling double standards when it comes to Israel, acting as if it's plain black and white - Israel bad, Palestine good. Both sides are equally responsible, and both sides have suffered greatly. Yet many people only seem to have a problem when Israelis are the aggressors. Suicide bombers and rocket attacks for God knows how many years - they're fine. But as soon as Israel reacts, all the "liberals" are out in force telling us about big, bad Israel. And I repeat one more time, where has the concern been for the Palestinians living other Arab countries like Jordan and Syria? For years they were herded into refugee camps, denied basic medical care and even proper food and water in some cases. These countries were quite happy to use Palestinians for anti-American and anti-Israeli hate-mongering, just not willing to treat the Palestinians properly themselves. Nobody seems to care when its other Arabs, but throw Israel into the mix and hear the howls of indignation.

caveman (Dublin) - Posts: 77 - 12/02/2009 10:01:15    204865

Caveman, Why do you think the Palestinians behave like that ?? Is it because they are well looked after by the Israelis ??
What causes young men and women to become suicide bombers or to celebrate bomb attacks ? Please dont use the old "brainwashing" excuse !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 12/02/2009 10:47:32    204901

Best of luck with what is after all a noble venture. As Depeche Mode once sang ....''people are people'' and children in particular are not to blame for starting any wars. Best of luck to the organisers and I hope that peace prevails for ALL the people of that troubled region.

dubupnorth (Dublin) - Posts: 1897 - 12/02/2009 11:45:04    204960

tis a noble cause Tyrone to Gaza,dont mind them who belittle your charity,800 years me **** I wish u well John,and if ya stop off at Wexford Town on the way to Rosslare Harbour,i'd be more than happy to give a a few jersies

Duffy89 (Wexford) - Posts: 3320 - 12/02/2009 12:51:05    205058