Real Louth Fan and Slayer - Great posts lads, well said !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/01/2009 18:48:19    192494

Reading these messages I am struck by the pontificating, the preaching, the egos and the hypocricy.
It takes one to know one they say.....

Who said it was only a game?

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 28/01/2009 20:02:50    192553

Liam I guess that this thread was aimed directly at my posts on subject of the rugby in Croker. I am not going to pick your post apart because slayer has already done that but also becasue I believe we have fundamental difference in our thinking on what the GAA stands for and is about. So I will explain what I believe the GAA mean to me and why I arrive at my opinion Firstly lets get the "foreign games" stigma out of the way. I call these sports foreign becasue thats what they are to this country, its only recently that this term has become offensive so please dont call me a bigot becasue I call a spade a spade. I am absolutely mortified that you would call me a bigot becasue I stand up for what I believe in. I believe that the GAA has developed into more than just a sporting organisation, it is also become a cultural organisation. While maintaing Gaelic sports is the no.1 aim of the GAA It has become the bedrock of Irish Gaelic culture and tries to promote and develop all things that are associated about Gaelic culture. Now while this includes Gaelic sports it is by no means exclusive to sports. The scor is a large feature of the GAA something that promotes all social aspects of Irish culture including music, dancing, story telling, poetry, singing and of course a quiz to find the most knowledgable people on our culture. My local club patrticpate in the scor every year and while we could only dream of the almost yearly all-ireland sucess of Omagh St Endas it is very enjoyable watching and partaking in the acts. There is also the promotion of the Irish language, I can remeber by sister getting a grant from the local club to go off to Donegal for the summer to speak Irish. The community is everything to the GAA and the GAA everyhitng to the comunity, I think it is fair to say that in modern day Ireland the parish identity is maintained and preserved more by the GAA than the church. It gives local communities a local base and focus for the community. The local club is a native cultural centre in the centre of the community, it allows everyone the chance to participate. For the very young to the very old for the music nerd and the top sportsman, for the rich and the poor. For the Catholic and the Protestant, and for the Foreigner and the native. There is a place for everyone to particate in a culture that is uniquely Irish and stauncely proud of it. Now I know that the GAA would do with some cleaning up on some of these but that is what I blieve tha GAA should be aiming for. Now when it comes to foreign sports i quite like some of them I always support Irish teams but they will always come behind the GAA. I believe that foreign sports are our competitors especially in the towns and cities so the GAA as an organisation should can have no association with these sports as far as accomodating and promoting them goes. Yes you can say that since it is a cultural organisation it should be doing the same with foreign music however I dont think that the GAA is responsible for maintaing music just promoting, after all music has less well defined boundaries than sports so is always searching for new influences Finally I believe that the GAA should be on a pedestal a beacon of light maintaining Irish sports and promoting all spects of Irish culture and it should strive to maintaing that as it movs forward in the modern world.

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 28/01/2009 21:03:14    192581

slayer and real louth fan great posts.............i dont understand how not wanting foreign games to be played at croker makes you a bigot!

Garfield (Dublin) - Posts: 55 - 28/01/2009 21:10:47    192589

Garfield et al,

Thank's for the kind words but unfortunately yet another thread has desceneded into utter nonsense thanks to Liam and his mates. They have started bringing up SHOPPING IN NEWRY MKES YOU UNPATRIOTIC!!!

It beggards belief but says a lot about them and how bigotted they actually are. Shopping in Newry...

Liam and his mates try to make out that those of us who want to promote gaelic games are bigotted yet their attitudes to such current issues shows who the real biggots are. We just want to promote and develop gaelic games. Why liam & co are you against the GAA so?

But you probably don't know as you are the real bigots!!

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 28/01/2009 21:57:37    192634

Hey Real Louth Fan.
Do me a favour, go back there and find where I ever even mentioned Newry, anywhere. I never ever commented on that side of this argument. Not once.
Find it, quote it, or shut it!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 28/01/2009 22:11:41    192649

Liam doesn't have a "Co". There are people who respect him and respect his posts but there's no Liam "fan club" that back him up with stuff.

[PS: Is there a Liam fan club? Why wasn't I invited? I'll bring Ovaltine.]

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 28/01/2009 22:12:59    192651

I have commented on this on two other threads, but will say a few things here.

In the north of Ireland, many of those who are opposed to foreign games are not opposed to foreign games, they are opposed to "British/English" games. In 2009 that is sad, and can be compared to those sad few who still want to have Orange marches in Dunloy and Bellaghy, the same mentality.

I cannot for the life of me understand why people from border counties try to be part of Northern Ireland. To the people in the north you are all still "free staters" despite the sycophantic attempts to curry favour with northerners.

Soccer as played in Ireland is not a threat. A Dublin City/United premiership team would be, and I would have reservations about that team using Croke.

And Kevin Myers is one of my favourite writers, a man who arrived in Derry in 1969 to "fight the good fight".

patrique (Antrim) - Posts: 13709 - 28/01/2009 22:51:16    192705

You know Patrique just maybe these "border counties" consider themselves as Ulstermen, I know thats what consider them as but after Irishmen.
Afterall considering that they write on this site you would presume that they would be Irish men, 32 county Irish men. And since the GAA is organised into 4 provinces prehaps they associate themselves with that province?

Maybe I dont it was just a thought you might consider?

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 28/01/2009 23:20:20    192745

Patrique, this is not about whether Irish soccer is a threat or not. I want Croke Park for our own sports only as i believe that they are the only sports that should be played there. I am not living in the past as has been suggested as we are competing with these other sports for players. If this makes me a bigot then i AM a bigot. I have said on many occasions that i do not like Soccer as a sport. It is a "pansy" game imo. The players are overpaid and they roll around at the slightest little contact as if hit by an express train. I dont understand Rugby and have no wish to. What other game do you get cheers and applause for kicking the ball over the sideline. Cant get my head around that at all !!

I am quite content watching my own sport and dont worry about other sports except golf which i also play !!

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 28/01/2009 23:20:23    192746

Sorry Tomas and Jayo for the mistyping,or was it? cant trust hs at the moment!

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 28/01/2009 23:43:50    192770

And by he way the main reason it should not be allowed,nothing to do with 'foreign games' etc, is he damage to the pitch.
Well half of it wont be played on but the remainder?

Real Kerry Fan (None) - Posts: 2957 - 28/01/2009 23:53:23    192776

Lads, it's pointless trying to debate with liam & co. they just don't understand, they don't want to understand and they want to oppress all other opinion...i.e. BIGOTS. They prefer to rant and want to drag those of us interested in promting gaelic games into some pointless arguement. Name an issue and I could easily predict what liam and his mates will say... They are predictable liam introduced this rant on "foreign games" nobody else did. He and his mates are trying to bring all sorts of nonsense into this debate to side track and then point fingers. Either they are deluded or trying to curry favour with God knows who by stating that there is no competition between sports!! DID YOU EVER HEAR SUCH NONSENSE!!! Simple facts is that they are bigots. I mean just look at the most recent nonsense from particia in antrim. They are just taking the first insult that comes to their heads and putting it on the board. The moderator needs to take greater control of thse rabble rousers. Newry shopping... :-0 :-0

Real Louth fan (Louth) - Posts: 3157 - 29/01/2009 00:37:54    192794

Hey Cavan Slasher
Your a bigot
That is all
Liam :)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/01/2009 09:49:39    192877

29/01/2009 09:49:39
Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
Posts: 1278

Hey Cavan Slasher
Your a bigot
That is all
Liam :)

WTF is this Liam? The message board is drowing in rubbish and you come out with this kind of pathetic trolling. Lazy-assed insults instead of debate.
We need more from everyone.

RMDrive (Donegal) - Posts: 2202 - 29/01/2009 10:00:17    192882

RMD, if the show fits, I may as well wear it!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/01/2009 10:05:26    192887

RMD, whats your angle here? I mean I get called every name under the sun, abused from a height and not a word. I retort, and you go on the attack....??
I am well able to fight my own battles and am well used to it, but if your gonna get involved, at least have a proper look
That is all
Liam

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/01/2009 10:19:24    192905

Liam

I am with you on this one. I personnally have no interest or liking for cricket. Can't understand the logic behind the game at all. However two years ago when Ireland played and beat Pakistan in the World cup I was roaring my head of for them. I remember once a soccer man with no love for GAA who told me he had been to Croke park to watch the International Rules games. His reason was simply "any man/woman in an Irish jersey". As for Real Louth Fan and others well it's just par for the course. Remember ultimatly it's the reasonable who inherit the earth. Were nearly there.

The real Árd Rí (Meath) - Posts: 990 - 29/01/2009 10:28:37    192920

Liam please remember to take your tablets in future. Worst post i've ever seen on HS.

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 29/01/2009 10:29:03    192921

Hold your horses there boys and girls, if you don't want foreign games played in Croke Park then by all means explain why. Saying that "I don't like those games" isn't really a reason now is it. I'm not one for telling people what to do but come on, bringing debates about newry shopping into this isn't really staying in the argument. Whether people like it or not, there is a certain degree of snobbery within some Gaels mindset as to that Croke Park is GAA only and no one else is allowed use it. Foreign games are evil and they'll take away all our best players is another paranoid mindset that seems to do the rounds as well. And yes as a Dublin fan I get labelled in the same group as the sunshine supporters who go to Dublin matches just to get ****** and slag off people from outside Dublin. I've seen enough posts on this message board knowing full well that certain posters have a certain mindset (sometimes joking and sometimes being very serious) of Dublin supporters regardless of our knowledge of gaelic football or how we conduct ourselves on match days. Supporting gaelic games shouldn't be a competition to prove how much more irish I am than the next man. But like RMDrive said, if you've got a reason as to why non gaelic games shouldn't be played in Croke Park then by all means debate it in a constructive way. Don't go with the usual cheap shots and throw out the usual chestnuts. Doesn't matter if Liam does throws the topic out there ala Liam Hayes. The man still has a point regardless of how sensationalist it is made.

holymoly (Dublin) - Posts: 757 - 29/01/2009 10:29:30    192922