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Replying To richiepmurphy: "" we're just a little more successful " please tell me you're joking. Wexford have 1 senior all Ireland in the the last 50 years, 0 u21 or 0 minor.
Galway have 4 senior in last 50 years, plus have multiple u21 and minor all Irelands. Must have won 9 or 10 minor since 2000 alone. Add in being the top of the roll of honour at all Ireland club titles" Not talking about understand. We have more senior all Irelands than Galway. Why set the measure at 50 years? To suit your argument.
Ok lets measure both counties on Leinster senior titles........The difference is I know that's nonsense.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 10/04/2026 18:02:30
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Nobody said there was any correlation, let alone a strong one, between minor and senior success. On the other hand, there is strong correlation between u21 and senior success, as I've already outlined. This is very obvious in the last 10-15 years even, with the Munster takeover of the u21 allireland series 2012-2025 (KK pipped one), and now this is bearing fruit in the senior championship, with the current jibing about Leinster being a bit of a B championship, compared to the real GAA jewel in the crown, the MHC.
There's exceptions too. Offaly 1994-98 won 3 minors, no u21s, and 2 seniors, even if they needed a monumental Limerick collapse, and some unfortunate time keeping from the late Jimmy Cooney to pull it off." Waterford had arguably one of the best u21 teams in that period, and didnt win a Senior. Maybe you need at least 2 seperate u20/1 AI winning teams to win Senior AIs? Although we won in 1996 with no u21 success, and none of the Clare teams of the 90s had won one either. Limerick won 3 u21 AIs in a row in the noughties and none of those lads won a Senior AI either. Although Kilkenny had a generational team.
Agree though u20 success is a better indicator of coming Senior success than minor success is.
I also think intercounty minor and u20 should go back to u18 and u21.
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Replying To foreveryoung: "That's true. They care and their parents care also.
But Viking is right. All Ireland senior titles won is the yardstick by which counties are judged. Nobody keeps count of titles in minor or U-21 or whatever it is now.
So, to settle matters. In senior hurling Wexford has 6 titles, Galway has 5. They are almost even, but Wexford is the more prominent hurling county with a stronger hurling history. Who can ever forget all those great battles with Kilkenny over the years, some won, some lost, with great names like Quigley, Doran, Jacob, and Storey?
It is different story in Galway, being isolated in Connacht for years, and the allowing them a free ride into the AI semi-final for years and years, militated against the development of a comparable hurling psyche and culture to Wexford. We don't hear of titanic battles like The Diamond Heyden versus Nicky Rackard. We got it in the 1980's alright, with the exploits of Sylvie on Nicky English, and Bredan Lynskey on just about anyone. The 1980's laid a good foundation for a hurling culture in Galway, but by the 1980's a hundred years of hurling had already been done in places like Kilkenny, Wexford, Limerick, Cork, and Tipperary. There is a hurling culture there in Galway, but it never ignited after the 80's in a way that many anticipated.
So, when I think of Galway, I think of Gaelic football: 9 AI football titles, the great teams of the 1960's, the terrible twins, Purcell and Stockwell from the 1950's, but going back even to the 1930's through the Donnellan's, with AI titles won by the family in the 1930's, the 1960's and the 1990's. When Galway football is mentioned, names fall off the tongue, just like the Rackards, Dorans, and Quigleys of Wexford hurling.
Wexford has 5 AI senior football titles, yet few of us consider it to be a footballing county. Five, the exact same number as Galway has in senior hurling. So, can you see my drift?" Nailed it.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 10/04/2026 19:46:50
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Replying To foreveryoung: "That's true. They care and their parents care also.
But Viking is right. All Ireland senior titles won is the yardstick by which counties are judged. Nobody keeps count of titles in minor or U-21 or whatever it is now.
So, to settle matters. In senior hurling Wexford has 6 titles, Galway has 5. They are almost even, but Wexford is the more prominent hurling county with a stronger hurling history. Who can ever forget all those great battles with Kilkenny over the years, some won, some lost, with great names like Quigley, Doran, Jacob, and Storey?
It is different story in Galway, being isolated in Connacht for years, and the allowing them a free ride into the AI semi-final for years and years, militated against the development of a comparable hurling psyche and culture to Wexford. We don't hear of titanic battles like The Diamond Heyden versus Nicky Rackard. We got it in the 1980's alright, with the exploits of Sylvie on Nicky English, and Bredan Lynskey on just about anyone. The 1980's laid a good foundation for a hurling culture in Galway, but by the 1980's a hundred years of hurling had already been done in places like Kilkenny, Wexford, Limerick, Cork, and Tipperary. There is a hurling culture there in Galway, but it never ignited after the 80's in a way that many anticipated.
So, when I think of Galway, I think of Gaelic football: 9 AI football titles, the great teams of the 1960's, the terrible twins, Purcell and Stockwell from the 1950's, but going back even to the 1930's through the Donnellan's, with AI titles won by the family in the 1930's, the 1960's and the 1990's. When Galway football is mentioned, names fall off the tongue, just like the Rackards, Dorans, and Quigleys of Wexford hurling.
Wexford has 5 AI senior football titles, yet few of us consider it to be a footballing county. Five, the exact same number as Galway has in senior hurling. So, can you see my drift?" I wouldn't agree with that. Wexford haven't been a hurling county of any renown at all on this third millennium. It's a bit like 'Cavan Football Syndrome' to be suggesting that they still have some cache that hasn't been worn out by too many wilderness years.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4687 - 10/04/2026 23:41:44
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I wouldn't agree with that. Wexford haven't been a hurling county of any renown at all on this third millennium. It's a bit like 'Cavan Football Syndrome' to be suggesting that they still have some cache that hasn't been worn out by too many wilderness years." There you go again setting totally subjective timeframes to suit your narrative.
I will meet you on your level though. Since 00 we've been in 7 all Ireland semi finals (most counties have to qualify for those historically) , two league semi finals, 10 provincial finals (winning 2).
We're only discussing senior inter county of course. It's not great, but not terrible either.
I'd have liked to have at least been in an all Ireland final in that time but we're very much a hurling county still.
In the same period Galway have won one all Ireland. A powerhouse you're suggesting?
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 11:23:24
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I wouldn't agree with that. Wexford haven't been a hurling county of any renown at all on this third millennium. It's a bit like 'Cavan Football Syndrome' to be suggesting that they still have some cache that hasn't been worn out by too many wilderness years." Now to play you at your own game.
In my lifetime:
All Ireland senior titles
Wexford 1
Galway 1
Leinster titles
Wexford 4
Galway 3
As it has been throughout the history of gaa, in my lifetime, Wexford are marginally more successful than Galway.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 11:28:26
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I wouldn't agree with that. Wexford haven't been a hurling county of any renown at all on this third millennium. It's a bit like 'Cavan Football Syndrome' to be suggesting that they still have some cache that hasn't been worn out by too many wilderness years." We have won 5 AI hurling titles since Cavan last won a Football one. Which is more than Galway have won in that period. And we have reached 5 AIHSFs this millennium which is alot more AISFs than Cavan have reached in Football this millennium.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19408 - 11/04/2026 11:41:15
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Replying To Viking66: "We have won 5 AI hurling titles since Cavan last won a Football one. Which is more than Galway have won in that period. And we have reached 5 AIHSFs this millennium which is alot more AISFs than Cavan have reached in Football this millennium." I said 7 semi finals because of two replays just to be clear
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 13:58:46
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "I wouldn't agree with that. Wexford haven't been a hurling county of any renown at all on this third millennium. It's a bit like 'Cavan Football Syndrome' to be suggesting that they still have some cache that hasn't been worn out by too many wilderness years." I spoke about Wexford and Galway hurling. Cavan football has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's like saying a bear is like a pigeon. So, please stick to the relevant topic.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2507 - 11/04/2026 16:14:40
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Replying To foreveryoung: "I spoke about Wexford and Galway hurling. Cavan football has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's like saying a bear is like a pigeon. So, please stick to the relevant topic." Which is?....
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 282 - 11/04/2026 16:40:49
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Replying To Doylerwex: "There you go again setting totally subjective timeframes to suit your narrative.
I will meet you on your level though. Since 00 we've been in 7 all Ireland semi finals (most counties have to qualify for those historically) , two league semi finals, 10 provincial finals (winning 2).
We're only discussing senior inter county of course. It's not great, but not terrible either.
I'd have liked to have at least been in an all Ireland final in that time but we're very much a hurling county still.
In the same period Galway have won one all Ireland. A powerhouse you're suggesting?" Not a powerhouse, just a more relevant hurling force at all levels for the last 50 years or so.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4687 - 11/04/2026 18:20:39
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "Which is?...." It started as a discussion about where teams are at. Then a Galway lad took exception to an accurate but fairly trivial observation
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 18:25:58
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Replying To Doylerwex: "It started as a discussion about where teams are at. Then a Galway lad took exception to an accurate but fairly trivial observation" Accurate......in your head maybe
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4687 - 11/04/2026 18:32:39
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Not a powerhouse, just a more relevant hurling force at all levels for the last 50 years or so." Easy enough when you enter the competition at the semi final for the majority of those
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 18:38:07
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Not a powerhouse, just a more relevant hurling force at all levels for the last 50 years or so." Bald men? Combs?
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Replying To Doylerwex: "It started as a discussion about where teams are at. Then a Galway lad took exception to an accurate but fairly trivial observation" I know, I can read...
Im merely pointing out the silliness of it given the title of the thread. But it was amusing in some way....
Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 282 - 11/04/2026 19:01:02
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Accurate......in your head maybe" That you never know what you're going to get? Yes you've convinced me Galway are really consistent........
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 19:26:18
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Easy enough when you enter the competition at the semi final for the majority of those" Exactly. Since Cody took over in 1999, Wexford seemed to enter a disturbing hurling wilderness, where they seemed to fall into the backwoods, a mile off the pace.....only my opinion.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4687 - 11/04/2026 19:55:32
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Exactly. Since Cody took over in 1999, Wexford seemed to enter a disturbing hurling wilderness, where they seemed to fall into the backwoods, a mile off the pace.....only my opinion." You're not wrong there. The same amount of championship silverware as Galway in that period. Just not the big one for us sadly.
I am pleased that you joined our championship and managed to increase your standards to the level of Leinster counties to get Joe his medal though. Fair play.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4484 - 11/04/2026 20:15:21
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Replying To Tadhg2020: "I know, I can read...
Im merely pointing out the silliness of it given the title of the thread. But it was amusing in some way...." Its the lull before the storm, no info getting out of any camps. Lads have to fill in the time Tadhg ;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 19408 - 11/04/2026 21:01:04
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