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Our league finale was butchered by the impending championship - with those facing tougher games in early rounds, pulling back to avoid league finals.
To solve the problem why not use the league to properly seed the championship.
As it is this year - Connacht have 3 teams in the top 8, but only 2 will get home draws in the All Ireland. Leinster will have 2 counties with home draws but only 1 team in Div 1. - As long as the All Ireland seeding rewards weaker provinces, it will always be a flawed competition
Keep the current 4 leagues - (i would advocated changing that to 4 groups of 6 + a group of 8, but thats for another day)
Remove league finals - top of league wins.
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner
Seed 2 = Provincial winner
Seed 3 = Provincial winner
Seed 4 = Provincial winner
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry would be seeded 3 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds are decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th,
4th place play off = 4th v 5th.
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off
Seed 9 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off
Seed 10 = Loser of 4th place play off
Seed 11 = Loser of 3rd place play off
Seed 12 = Div 2 winner
Seed 13 = Div 2 R up
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1
Seed 14 = Play off 1 winner
Seed 15 = Play off 2 winner
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Add reality to that and instead of a league final (which always has either Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in it)
So for 2026 we would have got
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner -
Seed 2 = Provincial winner -
Seed 3 = Provincial winner -
Seed 4 = Provincial winner -
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner - Donegal
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions - Kerry
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup - Kerry (but already qualified as All Ireland Champions)
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry seeded 2 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds would have been decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th, (Mayo v Armagh)
4th place play off = 4th v 5th. (Roscommon v Galway)
Seed 7 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off (Armagh)
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off (Galway)
Seed 9 = Loser of 4th place play off (Roscommon)
Seed 10 = Loser of 3rd place play off (Mayo)
Seed 11 = Div 2 winner (Cork)
Seed 12 = Div 2 R up (Meath)
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1 (Louth v Monaghan)
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1 (Derry v Dublin)
Seed 13 = Play off 1 winner (Louth)
Seed 14 = Play off 2 winner (Dublin)
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser (Derry)
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser (Monaghan)
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner (Kildare)
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Tyrone (19), Cavan (20), Down (21), Wexford (22)
So using the bookies odds to forecast provincial winners - the final seeding would be (seed 1-4 out of a hat)
Seed 1 - Galway
Seed 2 - Dublin
Seed 3 - Donegal
Seed 4 - Kerry
Seed 5 - Armagh
Seed 6 - Roscommon
Seed 7 - Mayo
Seed 8 - Cork
Seed 9 - Meath
Seed 10 - Derry
Seed 11 - Monaghan
Seed 12 - Kildare
Bottom 4 out of a hat
Seed 13 - Down
Seed 14 - Wexford
Seed 15 - Tyrone
Seed 16 - Cavan
1st round of All Ireland championship
Galway v Cavan
Dublin v Tyrone
Donegal v Wexford
Kerry v Down
Armagh v Kildare
Roscommon v Monaghan
Mayo V Derry
Cork v Meath
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1720 - 25/03/2026 11:43:58
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Our league finale was butchered by the impending championship - with those facing tougher games in early rounds, pulling back to avoid league finals.
To solve the problem why not use the league to properly seed the championship.
As it is this year - Connacht have 3 teams in the top 8, but only 2 will get home draws in the All Ireland. Leinster will have 2 counties with home draws but only 1 team in Div 1. - As long as the All Ireland seeding rewards weaker provinces, it will always be a flawed competition
Keep the current 4 leagues - (i would advocated changing that to 4 groups of 6 + a group of 8, but thats for another day)
Remove league finals - top of league wins.
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner
Seed 2 = Provincial winner
Seed 3 = Provincial winner
Seed 4 = Provincial winner
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry would be seeded 3 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds are decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th,
4th place play off = 4th v 5th.
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off
Seed 9 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off
Seed 10 = Loser of 4th place play off
Seed 11 = Loser of 3rd place play off
Seed 12 = Div 2 winner
Seed 13 = Div 2 R up
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1
Seed 14 = Play off 1 winner
Seed 15 = Play off 2 winner
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Add reality to that and instead of a league final (which always has either Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in it)
So for 2026 we would have got
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner -
Seed 2 = Provincial winner -
Seed 3 = Provincial winner -
Seed 4 = Provincial winner -
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner - Donegal
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions - Kerry
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup - Kerry (but already qualified as All Ireland Champions)
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry seeded 2 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds would have been decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th, (Mayo v Armagh)
4th place play off = 4th v 5th. (Roscommon v Galway)
Seed 7 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off (Armagh)
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off (Galway)
Seed 9 = Loser of 4th place play off (Roscommon)
Seed 10 = Loser of 3rd place play off (Mayo)
Seed 11 = Div 2 winner (Cork)
Seed 12 = Div 2 R up (Meath)
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1 (Louth v Monaghan)
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1 (Derry v Dublin)
Seed 13 = Play off 1 winner (Louth)
Seed 14 = Play off 2 winner (Dublin)
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser (Derry)
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser (Monaghan)
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner (Kildare)
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Tyrone (19), Cavan (20), Down (21), Wexford (22)
So using the bookies odds to forecast provincial winners - the final seeding would be (seed 1-4 out of a hat)
Seed 1 - Galway
Seed 2 - Dublin
Seed 3 - Donegal
Seed 4 - Kerry
Seed 5 - Armagh
Seed 6 - Roscommon
Seed 7 - Mayo
Seed 8 - Cork
Seed 9 - Meath
Seed 10 - Derry
Seed 11 - Monaghan
Seed 12 - Kildare
Bottom 4 out of a hat
Seed 13 - Down
Seed 14 - Wexford
Seed 15 - Tyrone
Seed 16 - Cavan
1st round of All Ireland championship
Galway v Cavan
Dublin v Tyrone
Donegal v Wexford
Kerry v Down
Armagh v Kildare
Roscommon v Monaghan
Mayo V Derry
Cork v Meath" Trip to Ballybofey would be great for the kids ok!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 18981 - 25/03/2026 12:17:34
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Our league finale was butchered by the impending championship - with those facing tougher games in early rounds, pulling back to avoid league finals.
To solve the problem why not use the league to properly seed the championship.
As it is this year - Connacht have 3 teams in the top 8, but only 2 will get home draws in the All Ireland. Leinster will have 2 counties with home draws but only 1 team in Div 1. - As long as the All Ireland seeding rewards weaker provinces, it will always be a flawed competition
Keep the current 4 leagues - (i would advocated changing that to 4 groups of 6 + a group of 8, but thats for another day)
Remove league finals - top of league wins.
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner
Seed 2 = Provincial winner
Seed 3 = Provincial winner
Seed 4 = Provincial winner
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry would be seeded 3 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds are decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th,
4th place play off = 4th v 5th.
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off
Seed 9 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off
Seed 10 = Loser of 4th place play off
Seed 11 = Loser of 3rd place play off
Seed 12 = Div 2 winner
Seed 13 = Div 2 R up
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1
Seed 14 = Play off 1 winner
Seed 15 = Play off 2 winner
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Add reality to that and instead of a league final (which always has either Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in it)
So for 2026 we would have got
Round of 16 in All ireland
Seed 1 = Provincial winner -
Seed 2 = Provincial winner -
Seed 3 = Provincial winner -
Seed 4 = Provincial winner -
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner - Donegal
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions - Kerry
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup - Kerry (but already qualified as All Ireland Champions)
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry seeded 2 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds would have been decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th, (Mayo v Armagh)
4th place play off = 4th v 5th. (Roscommon v Galway)
Seed 7 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off (Armagh)
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off (Galway)
Seed 9 = Loser of 4th place play off (Roscommon)
Seed 10 = Loser of 3rd place play off (Mayo)
Seed 11 = Div 2 winner (Cork)
Seed 12 = Div 2 R up (Meath)
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1 (Louth v Monaghan)
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1 (Derry v Dublin)
Seed 13 = Play off 1 winner (Louth)
Seed 14 = Play off 2 winner (Dublin)
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser (Derry)
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser (Monaghan)
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner (Kildare)
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Tyrone (19), Cavan (20), Down (21), Wexford (22)
So using the bookies odds to forecast provincial winners - the final seeding would be (seed 1-4 out of a hat)
Seed 1 - Galway
Seed 2 - Dublin
Seed 3 - Donegal
Seed 4 - Kerry
Seed 5 - Armagh
Seed 6 - Roscommon
Seed 7 - Mayo
Seed 8 - Cork
Seed 9 - Meath
Seed 10 - Derry
Seed 11 - Monaghan
Seed 12 - Kildare
Bottom 4 out of a hat
Seed 13 - Down
Seed 14 - Wexford
Seed 15 - Tyrone
Seed 16 - Cavan
1st round of All Ireland championship
Galway v Cavan
Dublin v Tyrone
Donegal v Wexford
Kerry v Down
Armagh v Kildare
Roscommon v Monaghan
Mayo V Derry
Cork v Meath" I like the league being use to seed things.
I don't really know what the playoffs are adding though. I'd say they are unnecessary.
I also think the double elimination at the All Ireland series planned for this year is unnecessary.
We should either do group stages or straight knockout and streamline things while we are at it.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4616 - 27/03/2026 13:53:44
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Replying To Whammo86: " Replying To tirawleybaron: "Our league finale was butchered by the impending championship - with those facing tougher games in early rounds, pulling back to avoid league finals.
To solve the problem why not use the league to properly seed the championship.
As it is this year - Connacht have 3 teams in the top 8, but only 2 will get home draws in the All Ireland. Leinster will have 2 counties with home draws but only 1 team in Div 1. - As long as the All Ireland seeding rewards weaker provinces, it will always be a flawed competition
Keep the current 4 leagues - (i would advocated changing that to 4 groups of 6 + a group of 8, but thats for another day)
Remove league finals - top of league wins.
<b>Round of 16 in All ireland</b>
Seed 1 = Provincial winner
Seed 2 = Provincial winner
Seed 3 = Provincial winner
Seed 4 = Provincial winner
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry would be seeded 3 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds are decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th,
4th place play off = 4th v 5th.
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off
Seed 9 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off
Seed 10 = Loser of 4th place play off
Seed 11 = Loser of 3rd place play off
Seed 12 = Div 2 winner
Seed 13 = Div 2 R up
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1
Seed 14 = Play off 1 winner
Seed 15 = Play off 2 winner
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Add reality to that and instead of a league final (which always has either Kerry, Dublin or Mayo in it)
So for 2026 we would have got
<b>Round of 16 in All ireland</b>
Seed 1 = Provincial winner -
Seed 2 = Provincial winner -
Seed 3 = Provincial winner -
Seed 4 = Provincial winner -
Seed 5 = Div 1 winner - Donegal
Seed 6 = All Ireland Champions - Kerry
Seed 7 = Div 1 Rup - Kerry (but already qualified as All Ireland Champions)
if there is a double up above (i.e Kerry seeded 2 times). The teams below them move up in the seeding.
The remaining seeds would have been decided by play off.
Div 1 play offs
3rd place play off = 3rd v 6th, (Mayo v Armagh)
4th place play off = 4th v 5th. (Roscommon v Galway)
<u>Seed 7</u> = Winner of Div 1 3rd place play off (Armagh)
Seed 8 = Winner of Div 1 4th place play off (Galway)
Seed 9 = Loser of 4th place play off (Roscommon)
Seed 10 = Loser of 3rd place play off (Mayo)
Seed 11 = Div 2 winner (Cork)
Seed 12 = Div 2 R up (Meath)
Div 1/2 play offs
Play off 1 - 3rd Div 2 v 8th Div 1 (Louth v Monaghan)
Play off 2 - 4th Div 2 v 7th Div 1 (Derry v Dublin)
Seed 13 = Play off 1 winner (Louth)
Seed 14 = Play off 2 winner (Dublin)
Seed 16 = Play off 2 loser (Derry)
Seed 17 = Play off 1 loser (Monaghan)
Seed 18 = Tailteann Cup winner (Kildare)
Bottom seeds
5th Div 2, 6th Div 2, Winner of Div 3, Rup Div 3
Tyrone (19), Cavan (20), Down (21), Wexford (22)
So using the bookies odds to forecast provincial winners - the final seeding would be (seed 1-4 out of a hat)
Seed 1 - Galway
Seed 2 - Dublin
Seed 3 - Donegal
Seed 4 - Kerry
Seed 5 - Armagh
Seed 6 - Roscommon
Seed 7 - Mayo
Seed 8 - Cork
Seed 9 - Meath
Seed 10 - Derry
Seed 11 - Monaghan
Seed 12 - Kildare
Bottom 4 out of a hat
Seed 13 - Down
Seed 14 - Wexford
Seed 15 - Tyrone
Seed 16 - Cavan
1st round of All Ireland championship
Galway v Cavan
Dublin v Tyrone
Donegal v Wexford
Kerry v Down
Armagh v Kildare
Roscommon v Monaghan
Mayo V Derry
Cork v Meath"</div>I like the league being use to seed things.
I don't really know what the playoffs are adding though. I'd say they are unnecessary.
I also think the double elimination at the All Ireland series planned for this year is unnecessary.
We should either do group stages or straight knockout and streamline things while we are at it." Two Extremes: Groups - lose 3 games and advance KO - Lose 1 game and out Better: 2026 AIC Win 2 of 3 (Rds 1,2,3) and advance to AI KO QFs Lose 2 of 3 (Rds 1,2,3) and out
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3381 - 31/03/2026 17:00:31
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