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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Why was the 2 point rule needed? Because all players were being discouraged from attempting (and learning) a fundamental skill of the game.
Does anyone remember Derry being afraid to shoot at all, when one point behind in one match a few years ago.
Donegals "low block" defence (and their copy cats) have been sitting inside 40m from goal, forcing long range kicks (at 50% accuracy) or waiting to smother a forward trying to get inside, for 14 years.
We all have had enough of watching that tripe.
Donegal sat in again in the final and were punished by a team who had more skills than they did (long range shooting).
They sat in for so long, they let Kerry kick a two pointer after the buzzer in the first half and let Paudie Clifford have 76 possessions (mostly unopposed). They were 7 points down and let Kerrys half forwards have the freedom of Croke Park. If your U8's refused to go out and tackle like that, you'd go off the head.
At times, the Kerry lads were dropping balls and messing up solo's and no one came out of the low block to pressure them.
What are people doing complaining about Kerry taking their time to execute a score while Donegal sat in afraid to come out and tackle them.
The slow build up play in yesterdays game is on McGuiness tactics, not the two point rule. Why should Kerry be forced into the low block, they should be rewarded for being skillfull enough to shoot over it. No one else was able to do it all year.
Saying that, I was all for the 4 point rule for a goal. Pity it never got tried out - would love to see it in the provincial club championship.
I don't think we should be wedded to the 40m arc though. It could be more of an half oval shape. 35m at the endline and 45m infront of the posts.
I think the bringing a technical infringement back out should be to the 45m as a minimum and there needs to be a 60s time limit so we dont have to wait all day for a goal keeper to step up.
In the NBA, the moved the 3 pint arc back, but the players just got better. the new obsession with 3 pointers means you can win without long range shooters.
In the GAA we didn't need long range shooters for the past 10 years. Now we do. Get busy practicing on the training field. The two Clifford are probably out there this evening." I'm not suggesting getting rid of it entirely.
Its just not worth DOUBLE a normal point.
Basketball is 50% more for three pointer.
100% is too much. Also 66% of a goal.
Goal to 4 is not the answer either.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 421 - 28/07/2025 19:04:13
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I don't like the 2 pointer. I think our game is becoming centred around that. But I think it will be kept, so yeh, bring on the 4 point goal!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8815 - 28/07/2025 19:33:37
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Replying To Green_Gold: "I think we need a few years with the new rules and then make a decision. Overall the new rules have improved the game. Would it be sensible to get rid of 2 points for a free outside the arc?
The only downside of the new rules that I can see is that you might get a lot more one sided games." Be sensible just to get rid of all two pointers. Without them yesterday it was a one score game before Joe O'Connor hits the net, not a one sided game then with the match in the balance keeping all watching interested until the final few moments. The amount of people looking down at their phones yesterday in Croke Park was not a good sign for the so called improved game under these new rules.
Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 548 - 28/07/2025 19:36:57
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Replying To yew_tree: "Well it's clear now that if you don't have players that can kick 2 pointers your not going to win an all Ireland." And if you don't have players who can defend against 2 pointers, you are not going to win an All Ireland.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2566 - 28/07/2025 19:41:12
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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer: "Be sensible just to get rid of all two pointers. Without them yesterday it was a one score game before Joe O'Connor hits the net, not a one sided game then with the match in the balance keeping all watching interested until the final few moments. The amount of people looking down at their phones yesterday in Croke Park was not a good sign for the so called improved game under these new rules." It wouldn't have been a one score game yesterday if there were no two pointers. Both teams would have adapted their tactics for one pointers if there were no two pointers. It was a one sided game because Kerry were the better hungrier team. If they played under 2024 rules on yesterday's form they would still have won.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8189 - 28/07/2025 23:08:21
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Why is it when a team is successful in GAA, fans try to come up with new "rules" to try and remove that team's supposed "advantage"?!
Kerry have the best long range point kicker in the game, therefore we must remove 2 point rule!
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1258 - 29/07/2025 12:39:51
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I've been on record from the start about the 2 pointer, sort of similar to what Conor McManus has been saying all year about it, it feels like a very big reward for what is a pretty easy kick for the top players. But at the same time, Clifford's 2 pointers in the final were sensational and felt like they deserved the two in a way.
When the ground is solid and the ball travels further in the summer, it feels like it's a bit much especially when a goal is only worth 3. It's an easy strike for the likes of Rian O'Neill, Michael Murphy, and of course Clifford and Sean O'Shea. I would like the 2 points for a free looked at, it's tough because you don't want fouling to be happening out the field but sometimes a soft enough free is given and next thing there is 2 points on the board.
I'd say I'm in the minority with it as overall people are very positive about the new rules and the 2 pointer. maybe they will look at the 4 point goal again now
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 262 - 29/07/2025 13:40:03
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I said I would wait until the championship was over to give my own opinion on the two pointers.The obvious reason is I did nt want posters thinking it was sour grapes if we lost.
However as we won its now easier to give my view.I do not like tbe two pointers tbh.
Altho I know Kerry benefitted hugely from them Its not for me.
The better team might lose alot of the time but i suppose its the same for the team scoring more goals.
Maybe outside the 45 could be a two pointer but not tbe arc.
Obviously delighted to watch Clifford score them but think they have too much influence on a game especially with a strong wind.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 4053 - 29/07/2025 19:53:12
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Replying To CCFabu: "I've been on record from the start about the 2 pointer, sort of similar to what Conor McManus has been saying all year about it, it feels like a very big reward for what is a pretty easy kick for the top players. But at the same time, Clifford's 2 pointers in the final were sensational and felt like they deserved the two in a way.
When the ground is solid and the ball travels further in the summer, it feels like it's a bit much especially when a goal is only worth 3. It's an easy strike for the likes of Rian O'Neill, Michael Murphy, and of course Clifford and Sean O'Shea. I would like the 2 points for a free looked at, it's tough because you don't want fouling to be happening out the field but sometimes a soft enough free is given and next thing there is 2 points on the board.
I'd say I'm in the minority with it as overall people are very positive about the new rules and the 2 pointer. maybe they will look at the 4 point goal again now" Folks face facts.
Its totally too generous for some of the scores that are being scored compared to goals and tight angle shots and will be even worse next year. Rory Beggan scored how many this year just tapping it over the bar.
It cannot be 100% more than normal score.
It should be 50% more and half of a goal. Therefore its either 1.5 points or we change scoring to 2-3-6
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 421 - 29/07/2025 20:25:27
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