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James Tobin?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 18/09/2025 14:19:01 2636672 Link 0 |
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Rathnure: Seán Nolan; Richard Murphy, Paddy Whiteley, Brian Lawlor; Allan Ronan, John O'Connor, Peter Kennedy; Declan Foley (capt., 1-5, 0-4 frees, 0-1 '65), Shane Murphy (0-1); Seán O'Neill (1-0), Eoin Boggan, Paul Murphy (0-1); Seán Moran, Brendan O'Leary, Nigel Higgins (1-1). Subs. - Brendan Flynn for Moran (HT), Michael O'Leary for P. Murphy (45), Teddy O'Connor for M. O'Leary, inj. (52), also Michael O'Neill, Dermot Reddy, Jamie Miller, Liam Barron, Stephen Levingstone, Paddy Flynn, J.J. Redmond, Patrick O'Leary, Darragh Reddy, Anthony Fitzpatrick, Jack Butler, Shane Furlong, Francis Murphy, Anthony Westnott, Dave Guiney, Aodhán Foley, Daithí Dunne, Ben Ronan. Oulart-The Ballagh: Cathal Sinnott; Ethan Freeman, Barry Kehoe, John Roche (capt.); Micheál Doyle, Garrett Sinnott, Oisín Dunne (0-1); Aaron Doyle, Garry Murphy; Cian McCormack (0-1), Adam Nolan, Michael O'Brien (0-8, 7 frees); Ben O'Connor (0-3, 2 frees), Anthony Storey (0-1), Declan Sinnott. Subs. - Craig Davitt for D. Sinnott (HT), Stephen Davitt for Freeman (49), Darren Nolan for O'Brien (57), also Colin Browne, Adam Butler, Rob Foley, Frank Gallagher, Lee Hore, Darren Kelly, Conor Lawless, Barry Leacy, Dylan Mangan, Edward O'Dowd, Dylan O'Gorman, Matthew Ryan, Oisín Sinnott, Éanna Swords. MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 229 - 18/09/2025 14:25:50 2636674 Link 0 |
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It went through in 2017 and that hasn't happened yet. So pretty sure it wasn't part of the original plan, being as the original arrangement was only temporary to start with. It's still a temporary arrangement that has been reviewed a few times since. Last time was only recently.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 18/09/2025 14:56:41 2636684 Link 0 |
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Rathnure: Seán Nolan; Richard Murphy, Paddy Whiteley, Brian Lawlor; Allan Ronan, John O'Connor, Peter Kennedy; Declan Foley (capt., 1-5, 0-4 frees, 0-1 '65), Shane Murphy (0-1); Seán O'Neill (1-0), Eoin Boggan, Paul Murphy (0-1); Seán Moran, Brendan O'Leary, Nigel Higgins (1-1). Subs. - Brendan Flynn for Moran (HT), Michael O'Leary for P. Murphy (45), Teddy O'Connor for M. O'Leary, inj. (52), also Michael O'Neill, Dermot Reddy, Jamie Miller, Liam Barron, Stephen Levingstone, Paddy Flynn, J.J. Redmond, Patrick O'Leary, Darragh Reddy, Anthony Fitzpatrick, Jack Butler, Shane Furlong, Francis Murphy, Anthony Westnott, Dave Guiney, Aodhán Foley, Daithí Dunne, Ben Ronan. Oulart-The Ballagh: Cathal Sinnott; Ethan Freeman, Barry Kehoe, John Roche (capt.); Micheál Doyle, Garrett Sinnott, Oisín Dunne (0-1); Aaron Doyle, Garry Murphy; Cian McCormack (0-1), Adam Nolan, Michael O'Brien (0-8, 7 frees); Ben O'Connor (0-3, 2 frees), Anthony Storey (0-1), Declan Sinnott. Subs. - Craig Davitt for D. Sinnott (HT), Stephen Davitt for Freeman (49), Darren Nolan for O'Brien (57), also Colin Browne, Adam Butler, Rob Foley, Frank Gallagher, Lee Hore, Darren Kelly, Conor Lawless, Barry Leacy, Dylan Mangan, Edward O'Dowd, Dylan O'Gorman, Matthew Ryan, Oisín Sinnott, Éanna Swords. camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 18/09/2025 15:20:41 2636688 Link 0 |
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Exactly. It's been on the books all along, despite what Mr Furlong said in that column back from then (going by Viking's post, it's okay to name him!). It just doesn't come into play very often, because of how most clubs are dual, or how in Wexford town, you can join one club 'properly' for hurling and another for football. There was a lot of it back in the day all right, when clubs used to come and go in some areas for a few years at a time, like the example Furlong gives of Kilmore & St. Anne's from the 1960s. I believe that happened when Kilmore went a few years without fielding a team at all. There was similar in my own place, where a neighbouring club didn't field in hurling for a few years around late 1960s/early 70s, and some came to my own club instead. I hasten to add that was before my time! To the best of my knowledge, there's only one 'isolated player' case at adult level this year (a Rathnure clubman playing football for Duffry Rovers), and I've even heard it said he was the first one for a number of years. So, it doesn't happen very often, but that doesn't mean it wasn't always on the books, despite what Mr Furlong wrote. I go back to my point of not treating everything he wrote as Gospel! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3112 - 18/09/2025 15:52:01 2636694 Link 0 |
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Shane Reddy - U20 footballer with Wexford this year .. underage next year again (i think) .. has always played underage football with Duffry Rovers .. I am not aware of any other isolated player. I think this has been the first adult one for a while.
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 229 - 18/09/2025 16:42:32 2636702 Link 0 |
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Was Sean Nolan sub keeper last year?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 18/09/2025 16:59:33 2636706 Link 0 |
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In 2017 Kilanerin weren't even a Senior Football club.- correct and Kilanerin didn't like this..... and there were a couple of excellent footballers playing with TR at the time that did get them back up Senior in 2017. Its well known this was the main reason that amalgamation at adult level happened. Only ones that didn't seem to realise this were Tara Rocks and chances are they will never field on their own again.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 186 - 18/09/2025 18:09:30 2636713 Link 0 |
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No Paddy Whitley was a sub on the team
camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 18/09/2025 20:39:26 2636718 Link 0 |
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The great Phil Wilson not alone won three SFC in a row with Ballyhogue in 1962-64, but also a SH medal with Oylegate in 1963 and with Rapparees in 1978. Was he an isolated player for the hurling successes? A record unlikely to be broken all the same, across the entire country.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1507 - 18/09/2025 21:18:34 2636725 Link 0 |
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They were one of the favourites to win Intermediate Football that year anyway, with or without the couple of lads from Tara Rocks. And in what way has the adult "amalgamation" put off young lads from Gorey playing with the Rocks? They'd of been playing as Ballynastragh Gaels with the Kilanerin lads anyway even if the adult arrangement hadn't been entered into. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 18/09/2025 22:34:43 2636728 Link 0 |
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Five Tara Rocks men on the Kilanerin team that won the County Intermediate Final that year, according to Alan Aherne's report of the time: https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/sport/gaa/kilanerin-back-in-big-time-after-thriller/36233585.html And in fairness to Alan Aherne, his reports are far more 'Gospel' than the other man mentioned a while back. Kilanerin went on to win Leinster that year. Maybe there was indeed more to their desire to join with Tara Rocks at the time than they let on publicly. And a real cynic or someone of a suspicious nature might suggest it could also explain why rumours are that they're not quite so keen on it any longer. They got the good of it at the time, Rocks are really only giving them one or two players now, and they reckon they'd probably do just as well without them. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3112 - 19/09/2025 00:26:35 2636732 Link 0 |
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Are you saying that kilanerin did nt benefit or they were just being accommodating to help a fellow club . I knuw i got a call from a kilanerin clubman asking to get my club on board at the time to help push it through in the vote . . I m quite sure it was nt for the benefit of tara rocks he was putting his time into the promotion of the temporary well being of tara rocks . As has been mentioned here they had been relegated from senior and could do with a few new players to get them back up . Their underage were starting to make headway so a temporary measure would help them in the short term until their underage filled the gap again . Of course tara rocks were in favour it meant survival and few years to try build again. There were potntially huge benefits for both clubs why else would you agree to it . Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 449 - 19/09/2025 01:20:20 2636733 Link 0 |
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No Paddy Whitley was a sub on the Leinster winning team
camánouttathat (Wexford) - Posts: 85 - 19/09/2025 08:12:10 2636737 Link 0 |
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I remember reading an article about Oilgate when they were last in their senior hurling final documenting their last senior hurling final win and I think from memory there was 5 or 6 players from Ballyhougue, remember thinking it was unusual at the time. Had a quick look at the roll of honour titles there and Ballyhougue won Intermediate hurling in 66 so I wonder what the situation was back then? Did they go from no hurling to senior hurling in 2 years? tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1564 - 19/09/2025 10:15:12 2636751 Link 0 |
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This is only anecdotal as it's just something I heard many years ago from an uncle who has since passed away, but the way he told it was this - - Ballyhogue had a few good hurlers around 1960/61, but were "only" soldiering away in Junior, while their footballers were becoming real contenders for the senior championship. - So, they decided to stop hurling altogether for a couple of years, so that their own club could concentrate on football, and their better hurlers could have a chance to play at a higher level as "isolated players" with another club if they wanted to. - This worked out far better than they could have dreamed, as Ballyhogue won SFC 1962 to 1964, and five of their players helped Oylegate to the Senior Hurling title in 1963. - Ballyhogue then decided to resume hurling in 1965. They won Junior that year with the five who'd played for Oylegate in '63, and went on to win Intermediate hurling in '66 with four of them. Phil Wilson - mentioned above - was one of these four men who therefore won medals in all three grades in the space of just four seasons. I don't know how exactly they fared in Senior, but I do see from the Dominic Williams "Bible" that they won Junior again in 1971, so they must have been relegated twice in the years in between. Meanwhile, they remained strong in football: - Beaten finalists in 1965 (after a second replay v Castletown) - Again finalists in 1966 (another draw, before Castletown awarded the title due to some sort of dispute over a venue for a replay) - Beaten finalists in 1969. Interestingly, appear to have been amalgamated with Davidstown/Courtnacuddy for this one! - Beaten finalists 1970, again after a second replay - Winners 1971 & 1972 - Beaten finalists 1973 Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3112 - 19/09/2025 11:14:23 2636756 Link 0 |
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I'm not saying Kilanerin didnt benefit, or want to benefit. I was just responding to the implication that they were the driving force behind it, when they weren't.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 19/09/2025 11:18:52 2636758 Link 0 |
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Ah ok may think again!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 19/09/2025 11:23:03 2636760 Link 0 |
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Again only anecdotal but I think we got up to Senior amalgamated with Ballyhogue in the late 40s/early 50s maybe?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 17083 - 19/09/2025 11:55:47 2636762 Link 0 |
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Don't know. Don't recall the uncle ever speaking about that one! Back to the 'Bible', though. There was no Intermediate Football at the time. It gives Junior titles to Ballyhogue in 1941 & 1955, and to your neck of the woods in 1945 (as Taghmon), in 1949 (as Camross), and in 1954 (as St. Munn's). No indication that there was any sort of a Ballyhogue/Taghmon/Camross combination for any of them, but that's not to say that it definitely didn't happen. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3112 - 19/09/2025 13:19:57 2636775 Link 0 |