Replying To Pikeman96:  "I think it's time to seriously consider scrapping U21 altogether. People say it's an important grade in bridging the gap between underage and adult. That might have been true years ago, when players of that age would probably only have had a handful of games a year without it. But now, there are more adult League & Championship games than there ever were in those days, and things are very different.

As previously pointed out, problems with running U21 are:
- Can't play it in early part of the year due to inter-county competition
- Can't play it in May/June due to Leaving Cert & college exams
- Try run it midweek at this time of year, and you get all the problems we're seeing now.
- Leave it until November to start, and you've two other problems. You're still trying to work around adult fixtures as three hurling teams and three football will be competing in Leinster. And you're facing complaints of "leaving lads waiting all year and now expecting them to play on bad pitches and in bad weather".

Even the Oulart suggestion of using the Wednesdays in the run-up to the two free weekends wouldn't have solved things. There are four rounds of U21 this time of year (two hurling, two football), so you'd still have the same problems in two of those weeks. And that's leaving aside altogether how on one of the dates that Oulart suggested, lads with Intermediate 'A' football clubs would also be playing championship 24 hours later.

As I heard somebody else say a year or two back - if we'd never had U21 in the first place, nobody would be suggesting it now. Nobody would be saying: "Know what we really need? Another age grade between Minor and adult, because there simply aren't enough games in the calendar without it".

Finally, side note - and still, some people want U18s to be able to play adult as well. Look at what's happening the U21 championships, and imagine what the Minor championships would be like too."

Replying To zinny:  "Are you telling me that every u18 goes into adult? There is no player dropout at this level?
What is odd is that somewhere else Viking was arguing that U21 was a better indication of future All Ireland success not minor but yet we think that 18yr olds can be sprung straight into Senior Club teams. Perhaps if clubs looked at the long term and focused on development of groups of players together, rather than break them up into different terms in adult the minute they can play, they may eventually have more senior success. Clubs have enough older players still capable of contributing but there is a rush to bring young lads in and these lads give up.
Rather than allow u18s to play adult how about stopping u21s from doing it and create a proper u21 championship? Would clubs still have enough players for all their adult teams? Would it mean adult players would play longer and u18s play longer? If all the clubs played all their u21s how would the winners compare to an adult team? Intermediate ?

Nothing will change in Wexford but we believe that somehow we will win an All Ireland by doing the same things we have been doing all along (sorry not even that but worse) ."

Replying To Pikeman96:  "On your first line - I don't know where you got that idea from what I wrote.

All I meant is that we see now that in a week with U21 fixtures, there are all sorts of issues with those fixtures, because some of the same lads are playing adult both the weekend before and weekend after as well.

If you allowed minors to play adult, you'd have the same issue with every round of Minor fixtures as well, and they're almost every week. Even if a club only had one or two minors good enough to play with the adult teams, they'd still have concerns over them having to play midweek as well as weekend.

And for what it's worth, fixtures for minor quarter-finals were issued yesterday. Football mainly Wednesday August 13, and hurling mainly Monday August 18. So if some of these lads were also playing adult, the schedule they'd be looking at would be this:
- Wednesday August 13: Minor Football
- Weekend of August 15 to 17: Adult Football
- Monday August 18: Minor Hurling
- Wednesday August 20: U20 Football
- Weekend of August 22 to 24: Adult Football

Basically, five matches in somewhere between 9 and 11 days."

Replying To Pikeman96:  "I think it's time to seriously consider scrapping U21 altogether. People say it's an important grade in bridging the gap between underage and adult. That might have been true years ago, when players of that age would probably only have had a handful of games a year without it. But now, there are more adult League & Championship games than there ever were in those days, and things are very different.

As previously pointed out, problems with running U21 are:
- Can't play it in early part of the year due to inter-county competition
- Can't play it in May/June due to Leaving Cert & college exams
- Try run it midweek at this time of year, and you get all the problems we're seeing now.
- Leave it until November to start, and you've two other problems. You're still trying to work around adult fixtures as three hurling teams and three football will be competing in Leinster. And you're facing complaints of "leaving lads waiting all year and now expecting them to play on bad pitches and in bad weather".

Even the Oulart suggestion of using the Wednesdays in the run-up to the two free weekends wouldn't have solved things. There are four rounds of U21 this time of year (two hurling, two football), so you'd still have the same problems in two of those weeks. And that's leaving aside altogether how on one of the dates that Oulart suggested, lads with Intermediate 'A' football clubs would also be playing championship 24 hours later.

As I heard somebody else say a year or two back - if we'd never had U21 in the first place, nobody would be suggesting it now. Nobody would be saying: "Know what we really need? Another age grade between Minor and adult, because there simply aren't enough games in the calendar without it".

Finally, side note - and still, some people want U18s to be able to play adult as well. Look at what's happening the U21 championships, and imagine what the Minor championships would be like too."

Replying To Viking66:  "I think lads should be able to play adult as soon as they turn 18. That gets rid of the need to get adult panels/managements Garda vetted, and having to do Safeguarding courses. And at the same time it would be a massive boost to our county u20s. Of the team that started against Kilkenny only 4 I think had played any adult hurling, and that for just 1 year, while near enough all the Kilkenny lads had played adult, most for 2 full seasons. They played with way more physicality than our lads, and won nearly all the broken ball."

Replying To zinny:  "The first line was in reference to getting rid of u21.
Getting rid of it would be going backwards and if people were really interested in what was the best for the game they would be looking at what the causes are and not blaming fixtures. I agree with you if you allowed minors to play its just moving the problem further down the age groups.
The county board has to have all the data on players in U21 playing adult and those that don't play anything once they leave minor - why is nothing being done with it?
Anyone interested in how the game needs to change to grow would be horrified by the suggestion of minors playing adult."

Replying To Formertownie:  "As good as Lee chin is to me it looks like everything and I mean everything is going through him with harriers. There seems to be a sense within the team that sure lee will pull us through and they are riding the comfort zone train feeding off chins scraps . They better wake up before its too late .
If he gets held there does nt seem to be a plan b or a plan at all at times . I know missing couple others through injury etc but still need more leaders on the field than just chin Richie kehoe went off injured in first half . Big loss for them
Looks like jippo done decent job on chin last night and broke a lot of ball. Rest of harries looked to be found wanting when it came to winning breaking ball .
Kevin Foley gave an exhibition .
Down to 14 men 2 minding chin mostly
Extra defender for harriers and still could nt negate the foley influence .
Ps wishing Richie Kehoe speedy recovery form what looked like a season ending injury . Been some warrior in fairness .
Could be a very interesting the last round of games aftr rest of group
Would ve been more interesting if 2 teams exited championship proper after round Robin organ least one team . Takes the bite off the tension of last round . Ah sure we still have a chance .
Expect martis and shels to win but you never know."

Replying To StoreysTash:  "What is being done about players leaving minor and quitting? Well creating a free weekend when every young lad wants to go to the biggest music festival of the summer instead of being dictated to by GAA Club Ltd is one, yet some people still argue how dare they want to enjoy life in the Summer and nothing other than GAA Club Ltd should be important to a young man.
You must sign the contract of 100% commitment to the club for the best summers of your life and nothing else matters from July to October.
Indeed, I wonder why players quit and find other things to do with their lives."