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Replying To Newyorkkat: "One umpire did his job the other one did a job he was not supposed to do. That is my point." Whoever was responsible for the scoreboard should have kept his eyes on the flags for each score, a simple task really.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 257 - 09/07/2025 22:09:23
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Replying To Canuck: "This umpire had zero excuse for touching that ball. What does he think his functions are ? Back up goalie ? The game could not go on without that ball ? A brain **** for sure or a lack of knowledge to be there in the first place. His action was the trigger for the error of others that followed." In what way was his action the trigger?
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I'm reading all of this and I cant help wonder do a lot of people live in the real world.
1. Referees are in very short supply - both at club and intercounty level. Umpires are even shorter supply. The theory that effectively professional teams of paid officials should be employed just isn't going to happen and even if it did happen the idea that it would reduce the level of mistakes/errors significantly is rubbish.
2. in theory additional technology may assist - for example the strike on the tipp player on sunday. but being honest it took me a few looks at the slomo to see exactly whose hurl hit him. and VAR hasn't exactly been a resounding success in soccer. and i dont think we want regular delays for VAR reviews in GAA
It seems to me that some people just want a reason to give out and point the finger where someone makes a mistake. (And by the way the mistake on the wrong score didn't come from the officials last Sunday) But I dont see any of those same people coming up with realistic alternatives or solutions. If for example 'Professional umpires /officials were retained by the GAA at whatever costs this would ultimately lead to an increase in ticket prices maybe..
Listen to the complaints when that happens.
These people have a problem for every solution!
bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 57 - 10/07/2025 10:43:54
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Replying To bystanderbill: "I'm reading all of this and I cant help wonder do a lot of people live in the real world.
1. Referees are in very short supply - both at club and intercounty level. Umpires are even shorter supply. The theory that effectively professional teams of paid officials should be employed just isn't going to happen and even if it did happen the idea that it would reduce the level of mistakes/errors significantly is rubbish.
2. in theory additional technology may assist - for example the strike on the tipp player on sunday. but being honest it took me a few looks at the slomo to see exactly whose hurl hit him. and VAR hasn't exactly been a resounding success in soccer. and i dont think we want regular delays for VAR reviews in GAA
It seems to me that some people just want a reason to give out and point the finger where someone makes a mistake. (And by the way the mistake on the wrong score didn't come from the officials last Sunday) But I dont see any of those same people coming up with realistic alternatives or solutions. If for example 'Professional umpires /officials were retained by the GAA at whatever costs this would ultimately lead to an increase in ticket prices maybe..
Listen to the complaints when that happens.
These people have a problem for every solution!" I do believe the red had the wrong score also.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 176 - 10/07/2025 13:15:42
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "I do believe the red had the wrong score also." Apparently ex ref Gavin in the Examiner on Monday stated categorically that this was the case.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4321 - 10/07/2025 13:43:39
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I do think Cork are way too fancied for the final. Is their body of work over the course of the championship THAT impressive? I dont think it is. Drew with Clare (who were way off it this year) and could easily have lost that game in Ennis. Yes they had a man sent off, but as Tipp showed against KK and Dublin against Limerick, it doesn't mean you automatically lose. Plus they were well ahead (7,8 or even 9 pts?)
They were obviously beat out the gate against Limerick.
They beat Waterford at home but they werent particulary impressive.
The Tipp game im not sure what to make of. Cork were good but obviously had an extra man the entire game. And that was probably the game where I thought this Tipp team really have something about them. They really stuck at it and never gave up despite the margin, played lots of good hurling and worked like dogs.
The Munster final was obviously the best of Cork this year. It was a perfect storm for them coming in as underdogs on the back of a hiding to nothing. And with how Limericks form has panned out from that game onwards, how impressive was it?
The Dublin game...... they would have better A vs B games at training. The same Dublin team who Galway were cruising against with 5 mins to go and 10 points up. And we all know full and well how bad Galway have been this year.
mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 10/07/2025 16:43:23
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Replying To Canuck: "This umpire had zero excuse for touching that ball. What does he think his functions are ? Back up goalie ? The game could not go on without that ball ? A brain **** for sure or a lack of knowledge to be there in the first place. His action was the trigger for the error of others that followed." Relax a little bit. Umpire did nothing wrong. Why is he in the firing line? Other people erred significantly but blaming an innocent party is simply wrong. Go for a walk or watch some relaxing tv if you're that agitated.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2266 - 10/07/2025 20:51:56
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Replying To mr305: "I do think Cork are way too fancied for the final. Is their body of work over the course of the championship THAT impressive? I dont think it is. Drew with Clare (who were way off it this year) and could easily have lost that game in Ennis. Yes they had a man sent off, but as Tipp showed against KK and Dublin against Limerick, it doesn't mean you automatically lose. Plus they were well ahead (7,8 or even 9 pts?)
They were obviously beat out the gate against Limerick.
They beat Waterford at home but they werent particulary impressive.
The Tipp game im not sure what to make of. Cork were good but obviously had an extra man the entire game. And that was probably the game where I thought this Tipp team really have something about them. They really stuck at it and never gave up despite the margin, played lots of good hurling and worked like dogs.
The Munster final was obviously the best of Cork this year. It was a perfect storm for them coming in as underdogs on the back of a hiding to nothing. And with how Limericks form has panned out from that game onwards, how impressive was it?
The Dublin game...... they would have better A vs B games at training. The same Dublin team who Galway were cruising against with 5 mins to go and 10 points up. And we all know full and well how bad Galway have been this year." Only thing that can stop Cork is Cork. Its all in the top two inches
MrPBoylan (Monaghan) - Posts: 265 - 11/07/2025 08:55:25
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Replying To mr305: "I do think Cork are way too fancied for the final. Is their body of work over the course of the championship THAT impressive? I dont think it is. Drew with Clare (who were way off it this year) and could easily have lost that game in Ennis. Yes they had a man sent off, but as Tipp showed against KK and Dublin against Limerick, it doesn't mean you automatically lose. Plus they were well ahead (7,8 or even 9 pts?)
They were obviously beat out the gate against Limerick.
They beat Waterford at home but they werent particulary impressive.
The Tipp game im not sure what to make of. Cork were good but obviously had an extra man the entire game. And that was probably the game where I thought this Tipp team really have something about them. They really stuck at it and never gave up despite the margin, played lots of good hurling and worked like dogs.
The Munster final was obviously the best of Cork this year. It was a perfect storm for them coming in as underdogs on the back of a hiding to nothing. And with how Limericks form has panned out from that game onwards, how impressive was it?
The Dublin game...... they would have better A vs B games at training. The same Dublin team who Galway were cruising against with 5 mins to go and 10 points up. And we all know full and well how bad Galway have been this year." It's fair to question, however you comment that having a man sent off should not be an excuse and then proceed to excuse Tipp for having a man sent off.
You say that a point in Ennis, after such a fall of momentum with 14 men to snatch a pint is not impressive.
Waterford were not that impressive to you, so beating them is s not a great result. I'd fancy Waterford against most teams this season.
Cork performed well against 7 in a row chasing Limerick in an epic Munster final, but their subsequent collapse to Dublin shows they're not very good apparently? No credence for the mental drain of losing a game like that and how that contributed.
You can paint it whichever way you like. It's fair to question, but I do feel if Limerick or kilkenny had a similar route, there wouldn't be any questions. I feel there's a bit of bitterness in your post.
I'm looking forward to a great final and expect to see Tipp on top form. I just hope Cork put in a performance and then whatever happens the day should hopefully see the best team win, whichever of the two it turns out to be.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 321 - 14/07/2025 15:59:04
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Replying To mr305: "I do think Cork are way too fancied for the final. Is their body of work over the course of the championship THAT impressive? I dont think it is. Drew with Clare (who were way off it this year) and could easily have lost that game in Ennis. Yes they had a man sent off, but as Tipp showed against KK and Dublin against Limerick, it doesn't mean you automatically lose. Plus they were well ahead (7,8 or even 9 pts?)
They were obviously beat out the gate against Limerick.
They beat Waterford at home but they werent particulary impressive.
The Tipp game im not sure what to make of. Cork were good but obviously had an extra man the entire game. And that was probably the game where I thought this Tipp team really have something about them. They really stuck at it and never gave up despite the margin, played lots of good hurling and worked like dogs.
The Munster final was obviously the best of Cork this year. It was a perfect storm for them coming in as underdogs on the back of a hiding to nothing. And with how Limericks form has panned out from that game onwards, how impressive was it?
The Dublin game...... they would have better A vs B games at training. The same Dublin team who Galway were cruising against with 5 mins to go and 10 points up. And we all know full and well how bad Galway have been this year." I'd be worried for you on Sunday if Cork do end up winning. However, I've no doubt you'll be able to logically explain how it happened, based on your in depth synopsis to date...
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 428 - 14/07/2025 16:20:46
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "I'd be worried for you on Sunday if Cork do end up winning. However, I've no doubt you'll be able to logically explain how it happened, based on your in depth synopsis to date..." It's very hard to see Cork not winning next weekend, they've been the team to beat all year.
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Replying To BaldyBadger: "It's fair to question, however you comment that having a man sent off should not be an excuse and then proceed to excuse Tipp for having a man sent off.
You say that a point in Ennis, after such a fall of momentum with 14 men to snatch a pint is not impressive.
Waterford were not that impressive to you, so beating them is s not a great result. I'd fancy Waterford against most teams this season.
Cork performed well against 7 in a row chasing Limerick in an epic Munster final, but their subsequent collapse to Dublin shows they're not very good apparently? No credence for the mental drain of losing a game like that and how that contributed.
You can paint it whichever way you like. It's fair to question, but I do feel if Limerick or kilkenny had a similar route, there wouldn't be any questions. I feel there's a bit of bitterness in your post.
I'm looking forward to a great final and expect to see Tipp on top form. I just hope Cork put in a performance and then whatever happens the day should hopefully see the best team win, whichever of the two it turns out to be." Tipp have a great record in All Ireland Finals. The best of the big 3 when they get there. Cork should win on Sunday but I'd expect Tipp , despite their inexperience, to put in a performance.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2532 - 14/07/2025 18:11:32
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Replying To endgame: "Tipp have a great record in All Ireland Finals. The best of the big 3 when they get there. Cork should win on Sunday but I'd expect Tipp , despite their inexperience, to put in a performance." Neither of the 2 teams are particularly young teams. Think neither have more than around 5 lads u24.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16566 - 15/07/2025 08:14:39
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Replying To Viking66: "It's very hard to see Cork not winning next weekend, they've been the team to beat all year." To be honest Viking, I don't agree with that. Tipp have tradition, confidence and class and a young hungry team to boot. What Cahill has done with this team is nothing short of a miracle from where they were last year. Yes, they have a lot of youthful inexperience in their side but sometimes that can work in your favour, and defeating KK in the semi-final will give them huge confidence.
Cork have the pain and hurt from last year to drive them on, but we've been here before and have been burnt on many occasions, with many false dawns. However, I do believe this team are a bit special, and they definitely have the tools to take Tipp down. I give us a tentative nod on Sunday, in what will be a very close game with lots of goals, I'm sure. I'd love it especially for Hoggie - for all he has given to Cork hurling, for all the years of dedication and constantly dragging us over the line when the need was greatest.
Bring it on!
bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 428 - 15/07/2025 08:36:26
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "To be honest Viking, I don't agree with that. Tipp have tradition, confidence and class and a young hungry team to boot. What Cahill has done with this team is nothing short of a miracle from where they were last year. Yes, they have a lot of youthful inexperience in their side but sometimes that can work in your favour, and defeating KK in the semi-final will give them huge confidence.
Cork have the pain and hurt from last year to drive them on, but we've been here before and have been burnt on many occasions, with many false dawns. However, I do believe this team are a bit special, and they definitely have the tools to take Tipp down. I give us a tentative nod on Sunday, in what will be a very close game with lots of goals, I'm sure. I'd love it especially for Hoggie - for all he has given to Cork hurling, for all the years of dedication and constantly dragging us over the line when the need was greatest.
Bring it on!" Very balanced and sensible contribution. Supporters over blowing the Team are absolutely no help.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4517 - 15/07/2025 10:52:50
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It's a hard one to call..cork have looked brilliant at times and scoring goals is a speciality.both teams drew with limerick..can't read much into round robin game with tipp playing with 14.
Tipp have introduced some very good under 20s who have had huge contributions..cork seem to have got the starting team right now and are very strong at midfield.
Cork must decide on whether to start harnedy if fit..tipp have McCarthy,does Cahill go with him??I would but o donohue is a great option.
I think both counties full back lines can be got at and I'm expecting goals at both ends..the 2 keepers have excellent puck outs so nothing to seperate either..
Dalton could be the main man for cork,he can score from any range..
I'm giving cork the benefit by a couple of points because I feel they'll score more goals..I'm hoping they don't open a huge gap in first half and that we have a great final again.
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Replying To bloodandbandage: "I'd be worried for you on Sunday if Cork do end up winning. However, I've no doubt you'll be able to logically explain how it happened, based on your in depth synopsis to date..." What don't you agree with? Give me some details and ill happily discuss with you although I've put my reasonings out there clearly already. No need to be sarcastic and worried for me. You are taking it as some anti cork rhetoric but I do think Cork are too heavily fancied. The same way 17 out of 19 hurling pundits picked Kilkenny for the semi final. I think people are sleeping on this Tipp for whatever reason. You think as a Galway man I have love for Tipp haha?
mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 76 - 15/07/2025 11:49:05
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Replying To Viking66: "It's very hard to see Cork not winning next weekend, they've been the team to beat all year." Not a squeak out of Cocknykat ever since his beloved Kilkenny got put back in their box by Tipp!
I predicted a Tipp v Cork All Ireland Final once Galway buckled in the QF.
I've been watching Tipp v Cork games for years and there is no other game of hurling in Ireland to match it......the el classico of Irish hurling, Really looking forward to this one.
I'm slightly swinging towards a Tipp win!!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2667 - 15/07/2025 12:27:34
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Replying To katser: "Not a squeak out of Cocknykat ever since his beloved Kilkenny got put back in their box by Tipp!
I predicted a Tipp v Cork All Ireland Final once Galway buckled in the QF.
I've been watching Tipp v Cork games for years and there is no other game of hurling in Ireland to match it......the el classico of Irish hurling, Really looking forward to this one.
I'm slightly swinging towards a Tipp win!!" Probably should get someone to check in on poor old cockney
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2430 - 15/07/2025 13:34:17
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What Cork have developed under Pat Ryan is a much higher tempo than they previously played with. If they start a game with that tempo they just come at you in waves. We stopped that in the first Limerick v Cork game this year, but they got that tempo back for the Munster Final & have continued since.
The thing about Tipp this year is their forwards are playing with a similar pace. I was very impressed with Tipp v us - hard tackling, direct running and they got rewards in goals. I was at the Clare v Tipp game in Ennis and while some might say Clare were off the boil in 2025, the movement of the Tipp forwards in the first 25 minutes was mesmerising.
Safe travels to all & enjoy it. All Ireland hurling final day is a sight to behold with the noise, colour & atmosphere.
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