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Clare, Limerick, Tipperary And Waterford Ruining Munster Football And All Ireland Championship?

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Replying To Viking66:  "They shouldn't neccessarily have to play a top 2 seed to reach the Final. Cork and Kerry don't have to now any year. So why should Clare every year?"
When Cork are relegated and Clare are promoted, Clare will be a top 2 seed. They won't be drawn against one as they will be one of them!! ;-)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 22/08/2025 08:31:40    2633074

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Replying To legendzxix:  "When Cork are relegated and Clare are promoted, Clare will be a top 2 seed. They won't be drawn against one as they will be one of them!! ;-)"
100 years of unfair advantages for Kerry ,give over with your nonsense !

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2884 - 22/08/2025 09:24:23    2633079

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Replying To legendzxix:  "When Cork are relegated and Clare are promoted, Clare will be a top 2 seed. They won't be drawn against one as they will be one of them!! ;-)"
Cork, like Kerry, have many times the number of Football players that Clare has. If Clare are higher than Cork in the League standings at any point in the future you and I both know it will only be temporary. Like alot of your county kin you really must believe the rest of us fell down in the last shower of rain ;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16924 - 22/08/2025 15:58:38    2633130

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It is generally accepted that home advantage is worth 3 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the great honour of winning provincial titles playing all games in the backyard of their opponents."
It is generally accepted that the advantage of being a football county in a hurling province is worth 10-15 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the shameful honour of winning 86 provincial football titles playing all games in the backyard of hurling county opponents.

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 373 - 22/08/2025 17:36:52    2633141

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Replying To Viking66:  "Cork, like Kerry, have many times the number of Football players that Clare has. If Clare are higher than Cork in the League standings at any point in the future you and I both know it will only be temporary. Like alot of your county kin you really must believe the rest of us fell down in the last shower of rain ;-)"
The Kerry hurlers aren't expecting easy access to the Munster championship or Munster final for that matter. Clare have dislodged Down 2024 and Offaly 2025 from the All Ireland Championship due to beating lower ranked league rivals. Just as the Kerry hurlers accept their tier status, if Clare are not a top 2 seed, miss out on the Munster final and miss out on league qualification for the All-Ireland - the Tailteann Cup is exactly where they need to be.
If Clare had been in the Tailteann Cup this year, they could have given Kildare a good game in the semi final. It could have been a Clare v Limerick final - with the winner qualifying for the All Ireland championship and earning the respect of the nation! They'd be well up for competing in Munster finals after that.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 22/08/2025 17:48:43    2633145

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Kerry hurlers aren't expecting easy access to the Munster championship or Munster final for that matter. Clare have dislodged Down 2024 and Offaly 2025 from the All Ireland Championship due to beating lower ranked league rivals. Just as the Kerry hurlers accept their tier status, if Clare are not a top 2 seed, miss out on the Munster final and miss out on league qualification for the All-Ireland - the Tailteann Cup is exactly where they need to be.
If Clare had been in the Tailteann Cup this year, they could have given Kildare a good game in the semi final. It could have been a Clare v Limerick final - with the winner qualifying for the All Ireland championship and earning the respect of the nation! They'd be well up for competing in Munster finals after that."
League hasn't really got anything to do with championship at the very top level. In hurling or football. Ask any current players from your own county.
So why do you think it should determine championship seedings? It doesn't in any other province.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16924 - 22/08/2025 19:52:56    2633156

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Replying To Viking66:  "League hasn't really got anything to do with championship at the very top level. In hurling or football. Ask any current players from your own county.
So why do you think it should determine championship seedings? It doesn't in any other province."
League is determining the 7 league qualifiers. Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan, Derry, Dublin, Cork and Roscommon all qualified through that route. Offaly missed out because Clare only had to beat Tipperary or Waterford.
All provinces have their own leeway for seeding etc.. It is a matter for the other provincial councils. Far be it from the Munster council to dictate what other provinces should or should not do.
Sligo beat London and New York years ago to qualify for the Connacht final, and All Ireland Championship. That's a Connacht matter if they want a provincial final that is a provincial final in name only.
The Kerry v Clare Munster final this year was a Munster final in name only. That's being directly honest. People can give out about that if they want. It was awful stuff. The Connacht final between Galway and Mayo after is what you'd expect from a provincial final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 23/08/2025 06:50:42    2633176

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Replying To legendzxix:  "League is determining the 7 league qualifiers. Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan, Derry, Dublin, Cork and Roscommon all qualified through that route. Offaly missed out because Clare only had to beat Tipperary or Waterford.
All provinces have their own leeway for seeding etc.. It is a matter for the other provincial councils. Far be it from the Munster council to dictate what other provinces should or should not do.
Sligo beat London and New York years ago to qualify for the Connacht final, and All Ireland Championship. That's a Connacht matter if they want a provincial final that is a provincial final in name only.
The Kerry v Clare Munster final this year was a Munster final in name only. That's being directly honest. People can give out about that if they want. It was awful stuff. The Connacht final between Galway and Mayo after is what you'd expect from a provincial final."
Over100 years of advantages playing in a Hurling province winning a ridiculous 86 Munster titles and you want it even handier for Kerry !!

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2884 - 23/08/2025 08:47:41    2633181

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Replying To legendzxix:  "League is determining the 7 league qualifiers. Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan, Derry, Dublin, Cork and Roscommon all qualified through that route. Offaly missed out because Clare only had to beat Tipperary or Waterford.
All provinces have their own leeway for seeding etc.. It is a matter for the other provincial councils. Far be it from the Munster council to dictate what other provinces should or should not do.
Sligo beat London and New York years ago to qualify for the Connacht final, and All Ireland Championship. That's a Connacht matter if they want a provincial final that is a provincial final in name only.
The Kerry v Clare Munster final this year was a Munster final in name only. That's being directly honest. People can give out about that if they want. It was awful stuff. The Connacht final between Galway and Mayo after is what you'd expect from a provincial final."
The Provincial Final is the Provincial Final. If you take out the randomness of the draw, the romance of an underdog doing well, the blood tears and guts involved, etc etc, basically the whole story behind it, it's a pretty second rate competition to the League. Why not do away with it altogether?
Everyone in the country remembers Tipp winning it in 2020, or the good Limerick team reaching finals in the noughties, if they had of had to beat Kerry and Cork in a SF in those years they might not have reached the finals in 2009 and 2010 and they only lost those finals by 1 point and 3 points, or the good Tipp team of the 90s. Noone around the country really remembers which of Cork or Kerry won in any other particular year. If it came up as a quiz question I'd answer Kerry, but it would be a guess based on the balance of probability, I wouldn't know for sure.
As regards this years Final was it really any worse than the last Kerry Cork Final in 2021, when Kerry beat Cork by 22 points?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16924 - 23/08/2025 09:51:44    2633186

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Provincial Final is the Provincial Final. If you take out the randomness of the draw, the romance of an underdog doing well, the blood tears and guts involved, etc etc, basically the whole story behind it, it's a pretty second rate competition to the League. Why not do away with it altogether?
Everyone in the country remembers Tipp winning it in 2020, or the good Limerick team reaching finals in the noughties, if they had of had to beat Kerry and Cork in a SF in those years they might not have reached the finals in 2009 and 2010 and they only lost those finals by 1 point and 3 points, or the good Tipp team of the 90s. Noone around the country really remembers which of Cork or Kerry won in any other particular year. If it came up as a quiz question I'd answer Kerry, but it would be a guess based on the balance of probability, I wouldn't know for sure.
As regards this years Final was it really any worse than the last Kerry Cork Final in 2021, when Kerry beat Cork by 22 points?"
It was worse, again to be directly honest. This year's final outcome was predictable. 2021 was revenge. Cork blow hot and cold. Ask Donegal who lost to them last year or ask Dublin who utilised earning home advantage in the preliminary quarter final this year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 23/08/2025 18:16:12    2633235

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It was worse, again to be directly honest. This year's final outcome was predictable. 2021 was revenge. Cork blow hot and cold. Ask Donegal who lost to them last year or ask Dublin who utilised earning home advantage in the preliminary quarter final this year."
It is generally accepted that the advantage of being a football county in a hurling province is worth 10-15 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the shameful honour of winning 86 provincial football titles playing all games in the backyard of hurling county opponents.

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 373 - 23/08/2025 19:18:26    2633243

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Replying To legendzxix:  "League is determining the 7 league qualifiers. Tyrone, Cavan, Monaghan, Derry, Dublin, Cork and Roscommon all qualified through that route. Offaly missed out because Clare only had to beat Tipperary or Waterford.
All provinces have their own leeway for seeding etc.. It is a matter for the other provincial councils. Far be it from the Munster council to dictate what other provinces should or should not do.
Sligo beat London and New York years ago to qualify for the Connacht final, and All Ireland Championship. That's a Connacht matter if they want a provincial final that is a provincial final in name only.
The Kerry v Clare Munster final this year was a Munster final in name only. That's being directly honest. People can give out about that if they want. It was awful stuff. The Connacht final between Galway and Mayo after is what you'd expect from a provincial final."
It is generally accepted that the advantage of being a football county in a hurling province is worth 10-15 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the shameful honour of winning 86 provincial football titles playing all games in the backyard of hurling county opponents.

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 373 - 23/08/2025 19:18:56    2633244

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Kerry hurlers aren't expecting easy access to the Munster championship or Munster final for that matter. Clare have dislodged Down 2024 and Offaly 2025 from the All Ireland Championship due to beating lower ranked league rivals. Just as the Kerry hurlers accept their tier status, if Clare are not a top 2 seed, miss out on the Munster final and miss out on league qualification for the All-Ireland - the Tailteann Cup is exactly where they need to be.
If Clare had been in the Tailteann Cup this year, they could have given Kildare a good game in the semi final. It could have been a Clare v Limerick final - with the winner qualifying for the All Ireland championship and earning the respect of the nation! They'd be well up for competing in Munster finals after that."
It is generally accepted that the advantage of being a football county in a hurling province is worth 10-15 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the shameful honour of winning 86 provincial football titles playing all games in the backyard of hurling county opponents.

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 373 - 23/08/2025 19:19:19    2633245

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2021: "Dublin's unprecedented dominance will see them seek a 16th title in 17 years - as well as 11-in-a-row - which has taken iron-fisted provincial rule to a new level. Their record surpasses Kerry's run of 11 Munster titles in 12 years."
Dublin 2011 to 2024 of course enjoyed Leinster semi finals and finals in Croke Park, there home league ground. When Dublin didn't have home league ground advantage in the 2025 Leinster semi final, low and behold they were beaten!

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 23/08/2025 22:41:27    2633279

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Replying To legendzxix:  "2021: "Dublin's unprecedented dominance will see them seek a 16th title in 17 years - as well as 11-in-a-row - which has taken iron-fisted provincial rule to a new level. Their record surpasses Kerry's run of 11 Munster titles in 12 years."
Dublin 2011 to 2024 of course enjoyed Leinster semi finals and finals in Croke Park, there home league ground. When Dublin didn't have home league ground advantage in the 2025 Leinster semi final, low and behold they were beaten!"
It is generally accepted that the advantage of being a football county in a hurling province is worth 10-15 points at least. Possibly more under the new rules. Kerry have achieved the shameful honour of winning 86 provincial football titles playing all games in the backyard of hurling county opponents.

Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 373 - 24/08/2025 18:52:05    2633359

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It was worse, again to be directly honest. This year's final outcome was predictable. 2021 was revenge. Cork blow hot and cold. Ask Donegal who lost to them last year or ask Dublin who utilised earning home advantage in the preliminary quarter final this year."
Over the last 10 years Kerry have met Cork 4 times in Munster Football Finals. They have won these by a massive 53 points, all under the old scoring system when games typically had lower scores. That's over 14 points per game. Hot and Cold? Just Cold in Finals.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16924 - 24/08/2025 21:41:48    2633411

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Replying To Viking66:  "Over the last 10 years Kerry have met Cork 4 times in Munster Football Finals. They have won these by a massive 53 points, all under the old scoring system when games typically had lower scores. That's over 14 points per game. Hot and Cold? Just Cold in Finals."
The administrators are sending me a message to leave the Dubs alone. Fair enough! I'll hold my fire!
@ Viking66, if there was a provincial round robin, the top 2 would be in the final on merit. In the absence of time in the split season, league ranking 1 to 32 is balanced and fair. All provincial councils should embrace it for balanced draws.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9160 - 25/08/2025 08:43:54    2633458

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The administrators are sending me a message to leave the Dubs alone. Fair enough! I'll hold my fire!
@ Viking66, if there was a provincial round robin, the top 2 would be in the final on merit. In the absence of time in the split season, league ranking 1 to 32 is balanced and fair. All provincial councils should embrace it for balanced draws."
There is actually plenty of time to have provincial round robins, especially if setup like U20 championship.

Munster 2x groups of 3, A(Kerry, Cork, Clare) & B(Limerick, Tipp & Waterford) - A winner have 3 matches for title and B winner has 4 matches (same as A runner up). 4 games for Waterford to win (currently set at 3)

Leinster : 2x groups of 3 and 1x4 (A( Dublin, Kildare, Meath, Louth), B (Offaly, Kildare, Westmeath) and C(Wexford, Wicklow, Carlow, Laois) - 4 games for Carlow to win (currently set at 4)

Connacht : (2x groups of 3) - A (Mayo, Galway, Roscommon), B (Sligo, Lietrim, London) - 3/4 games to win - currently 2/3

Ulster - 3 groups of 3 = A(Tyrone, Donegal, Armagh), B (Monaghan, Derry, Cavan), C(Down, Fermanagh, Antrim) - 4/5 games to win - instead of 3/4

So extra weekend needed for the above

Simply change the league into 4 x groups of 6 and 1 x 7 - then extra weekend created for provincial round robins

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1569 - 25/08/2025 13:55:53    2633522

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