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Kk teams over the past 10 years have been good but not great and we had a great lk team to deal with, cork on the other hand are a much better team and have underachieved especially over last 3 years.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 22/07/2025 14:35:09 2627178 Link 0 |
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I don't recall Tipp's issue 1972-1986 being fragility. I recall it being widely reported as stupidity. They were changing the manager/selectors every year back in those days, based on who the county champions were. Half the team was changed year after year for the same reason. Once Babs arrived, and brought stability and organisation to the management and the team selection, the results came through by degrees 1987-1989.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4352 - 22/07/2025 14:43:10 2627180 Link 0 |
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Care whether you win another AI or not? No. Why would I?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 14:48:42 2627181 Link 0 |
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That's exactly my point. The narrative around a team and a county can change drastically. Nobody was calling Cork a team of chokers for decades. They were a team who played with confidence and a swagger. They've now gone 20 years without an All-Ireland and are seen mentally fragile by some. When Kilkenny won in 2015, you'd have got long odds on Cody's next 7 years not producing an All-Ireland. We've had a few more years since. Nobody saw Limerick's dominance coming when they broke through in 2018. They became known as ruthless winners. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2474 - 22/07/2025 14:51:09 2627183 Link 0 |
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They bet us by 3pts in 2001, and there are biased Galway fans including myself who'll tell that Pat O'Connor had a hand in that.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4352 - 22/07/2025 14:53:00 2627187 Link 1 |
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Apologies Pope - that indeed was a nail biter. Mister Rabbitte came in for a lot of 'treatment' that day.
slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6526 - 22/07/2025 15:06:57 2627192 Link 2 |
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24 years later and that song is still being sung. I do recall the referee not applying the advantage when Kevin Broderick was in for a goal, but later he allowed Healy (Niall or Fergal?) take about eight steps before scoring a goal. Outside of those two incidents, I thought Pat O'Connor had a decent game and it is stretching things to claim he was the reason that Galway lost. Some of Galway's big names failed to perform that day, and that's the reason why a far from brilliant Tipp team won.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 620 - 22/07/2025 15:15:27 2627196 Link 0 |
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I remember 1981 when they led Limerick at half time by 13 points. They hung on for a draw but were well beaten in the replay That Tipp team had fine hurlers like Pat McLoughney, Tadgh O Connor, Eamonn O Shea, John Grogan, Pat Fox. Mossy Carroll had switched allegiance that year. So they had fine hurlers but couldnt win a game And other teams knew that. Even 13 down to Tipp you knew you had a chance as once they thought they were going to win the nerves would hit I dont know if it was prep, coaching, team selection, confidence but likely it was a combination but whatever it was they always found a way to lose. And they lost that natural swagger and confidence that Tipp had, and which has come back again probably since the noughties Cork are different as in terms of pure hurling skill they are as good as if not better than any team out there. Or maybe they have more better hurlers than most. I would put Limericks best as good as Corks skill wise, but I think Cork have more of skillful hurlers. But it has to be in their heads now that they lack something that turns skill into winning And as somebody who grew up on a diet of losing to Cork, even when you were better then them, its an odd thing to see. Pat Ryan has done a great job with this team, and seems like a thoughtful, decent and intelligent man. But he must be wondering now if he is the right man to bring them on again. For his sake I hope he stays, but he will have to make changes to his backroom team, and to his squad. Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 171 - 22/07/2025 15:47:05 2627208 Link 1 |
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We shouldve beaten Tipp the 1st day in the Semifinal. Only started playing as the 2nd half went on. Paul Codd was ready to score the winner when the ref blew full time early.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 16:32:13 2627217 Link 0 |
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Over the last 20 years 2 of the greatest teams ever to play the game were making life harder for everyone
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 22/07/2025 17:08:46 2627225 Link 0 |
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Dead on bud.Totally over confident. Was talking to a fella that was at the match as a neutral and he said Cork fans around him just thought it was a matter of turning up.He said they were completely silent for last 15 minutes.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 258 - 22/07/2025 17:54:48 2627236 Link 0 |
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And that's the truth. 3 including Tipp to be fair.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 22/07/2025 20:50:28 2627287 Link 0 |
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Well no. Two, to be fair. Tipp never beat that Limerick side, and only beat that KK side once, in 2010, even though they gave it a great shake in 2009 and 2014 as well. So two is the answer imo.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4352 - 22/07/2025 23:57:57 2627327 Link 0 |
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When kk dominance came to a end 2006 to 2015. Lk came the next year and are not done.
Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 183 - 23/07/2025 02:10:26 2627330 Link 0 |
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It appears a few of the Cork players let themselves down, in the build up to the Final. Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4545 - 23/07/2025 09:29:06 2627360 Link 0 |
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Hardly the manager or team's fault if supporters are cocky or over confident. I saw no sign that Cork players were complacent. Some of their players have appeared in five finals without winning so hardly warrants cockiness. Beaten by a far better team. It's called sport
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 2302 - 23/07/2025 09:59:31 2627368 Link 0 |
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They won 4 AIs in that period. They beat Limerick by 4 points in 2019, and drew with them this year and 2023. In the 2021 Munster final they had a huge halftime lead over Limerick. They also beat Kilkenny in 2016, and gave them a good game in the final 10 minutes in 2011, only a score in it with 5 minutes to go. I wouldn't be a huge Tipp fan myself, but you have to give credit where it's due. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16734 - 23/07/2025 10:25:27 2627372 Link 0 |
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True, but 3 of the finals Cork lost in that time were against neither of those those 2 teams.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2474 - 23/07/2025 10:37:17 2627377 Link 2 |
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Not sure I would take too much notice of any of that talk if they won there would be nothing said another rumour was that there was a bust up after match that's why homecoming was cancelled i am sure is nonsense. Ids say Cork have plenty of knowledge within County and they will analyse what went wrong and address it I remembers Liam Cahill stunned on the line with a Waterford no show think it was in Ennis and also with Tipp last year this year he has the freedom of Tipp. A win makes all the difference there are never ant fear of the Big 3 going too far away and Cork will be back next year as strong as ever still had a fabulous year League & Munster Final. Counties like ourselves and Waterford are a force every decade or so Limerick were a bit like that too until that great team arrived one thing for sure in order to win an AI you need an injury free run and a bit of luck to. Overall not the greatest of hurling championships IMO Tipp will be a force for a long time now loads of underage success with Brendan Cummins who is in his own right a master tactician clooney (Clare) - Posts: 999 - 23/07/2025 10:57:54 2627383 Link 0 |
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They also could have won in 2014 the first day. Corbett hitting the crossbar and O'Dwyer's missed free. They put in a lot of top quality performances in finals over the period.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2474 - 23/07/2025 11:21:00 2627392 Link 0 |